Nokta Legend V1.16 Beta Released

[Zaj56]

1 hour ago, markinswpa said:

Jeff, if at all, how do these improvements corelate to Iffy Signals video of being able to hit the deeper targets that it struggled with in the previous version ? What am I missing ? Thanks. Mark

Great question!

[Jeff McClendon]

2 hours ago, markinswpa said:

Jeff, if at all, how do these improvements corelate to Iffy Signals video of being able to hit the deeper targets that it struggled with in the previous version ? What am I missing ? Thanks. Mark

Back about a month ago, Iffy started a two part video series featuring the Manticore, Deus 2, Equinox 900 and Legend in order to see if those detectors in stock, basic settings would HIT four targets in his test garden which were a 10" mercury dime, a 10" V nickel and two shallow fragments of gold jewelry buried at roughly 1” and 2”.

So this is just word salad.  Again, his question was: will those detectors HIT those targets in STOCK settings. His question was not: will those detectors hit those targets.

Iffy's test garden has iron contamination, lots of it. 

Using stock settings which means stock iron discrimination patterns, the Legend seemingly could not "hit" those targets very well or at all in that Part 2 video using v1.15 software. The combination of stock F (iron rejected) discrimination pattern, iron tone break and iron bias setting created this situation. Had Mike changed the pattern to the A discrimination pattern and raised the iron volume level during that video you would have heard the Legend clearly "hit" those targets with mixed ferrous/non ferrous responses.

Changing the Legend's 0 iron filter setting in v1.16 beta software has basically lowered the amount of bias towards iron and made it easier for the Legend using the F discrimination pattern to give non ferrous responses on all of those targets now instead of rejected/silenced iron responses which made the Legend look like it was not able to "hit" those targets previously.

As Dilek said in her October 1st video, none of these v1.16 beta software update changes is increasing the overall depth of the Legend since there is no need to do that because the Legend has competitive depth with the other three detectors in Iffy's video. That is an accurate statement from what I have seen. I own or have owned all four and tested them extensively for overall depth on wild targets on land and I have seen virtually the same depth using 11" coils.

However, since all four detectors do not have the same stock settings or even the same sized stock coils, people who do test videos comparing "stock" settings are not giving viewers the entire picture of these detector's capabilities.

If you watch Iffy's latest 2 minute 30 second YouTube video posted on October 1st that has the Legend using v1.16 beta software on the same four targets, you will still hear the Legend's non ferrous response audio dropping out on the 10" mercury dime sometimes during swings with the discrimination pattern on F even though Iffy says it has no problem on that target. Don't listen to the commentary. Just watch and listen to what the Legend actually does.

 

 

[Dirtshark]

30 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Back about a month ago, Iffy started a two part video series featuring the Manticore, Deus 2, Equinox 900 and Legend in order to see if those detectors in stock, basic settings would HIT four targets in his test garden which were a 10" mercury dime, a 10" V nickel and two shallow fragments of gold jewelry buried at roughly 1” and 2”.

So this is just word salad.  Again, his question was: will those detectors HIT those targets in STOCK settings. His question was not: will those detectors hit those targets.

Iffy's test garden has iron contamination, lots of it. 

Using stock settings which means stock iron discrimination patterns, the Legend seemingly could not "hit" those targets very well or at all in that Part 2 video using v1.15 software. The combination of stock F (iron rejected) discrimination pattern, iron tone break and iron bias setting created this situation. Had Mike changed the pattern to the A discrimination pattern and raised the iron volume level during that video you would have heard the Legend clearly "hit" those targets with mixed ferrous/non ferrous responses.

Changing the Legend's 0 iron filter setting in v1.16 beta software has basically lowered the amount of bias towards iron and made it easier for the Legend using the F discrimination pattern to give non ferrous responses on all of those targets now instead of rejected/silenced iron responses which made the Legend look like it was not able to "hit" those targets previously.

As Dilek said in her October 1st video, none of these v1.16 beta software update changes is increasing the overall depth of the Legend since there is no need to do that because the Legend has competitive depth with the other three detectors in Iffy's video. That is an accurate statement from what I have seen. I own or have owned all four and tested them extensively for overall depth on wild targets on land and I have seen virtually the same depth using 11" coils.

However, since all four detectors do not have the same stock settings or even the same sized stock coils, people who do test videos comparing "stock" settings are not giving viewers the entire picture of these detector's capabilities.

If you watch Iffy's latest 2 minute 30 second YouTube video posted on October 1st that has the Legend using v1.16 beta software on the same four targets, you will still hear the Legend's non ferrous response audio dropping out on the 10" mercury dime sometimes during swings with the discrimination pattern on F even though Iffy says it has no problem on that target. Don't listen to the commentary. Just watch and listen to what the Legend actually does.

 

 

 

Thanks for bringing this back down to earth Jeff!

 

[Ken Clad]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:13 AM, Jeff McClendon said:

An update has been made to improve the Legend's Beach Modes.

Are there any better details on this? That's not exactly awe inspiring. 🤪

[Jeff McClendon]

3 minutes ago, Ken Clad said:

Are there any better details on this? That's not exactly awe inspiring. 🤪

You need to watch Dilek's presentation.

Calabash Digger did some test videos of the Nokta Triple Score vs the Minelab X-Terra Elite and found some issues with the Triple Score as far as target ID accuracy and tending towards iron IDs compared to the Elite. Nokta did a beta software update for Calabash to test which improved the Triple Score's issues that Calabash noted. Nokta worked on that beta software some more and then released it for the Score series. That same Beach software update has been added to v1.16 beta for the Legend.

[Chase Goldman]

16 hours ago, Zaj56 said:

.we were probably posting at the same time.

His post appeared about 3 hours before yours based on the timestamps, otherwise I would have thought that also.  I thought you just didn't see it or still didn't understand Jeff's explanation so I intervened just to be sure.  No offense intended.

[Zaj56]

2 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

His post appeared about 3 hours before yours based on the timestamps, otherwise I would have thought that also.  I thought you just didn't see it or still didn't understand Jeff's explanation so I intervened just to be sure.  No offense intended.

I appreciate your help!

[markinswpa]

9 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Back about a month ago, Iffy started a two part video series featuring the Manticore, Deus 2, Equinox 900 and Legend in order to see if those detectors in stock, basic settings would HIT four targets in his test garden which were a 10" mercury dime, a 10" V nickel and two shallow fragments of gold jewelry buried at roughly 1” and 2”.

So this is just word salad.  Again, his question was: will those detectors HIT those targets in STOCK settings. His question was not: will those detectors hit those targets.

Iffy's test garden has iron contamination, lots of it. 

Using stock settings which means stock iron discrimination patterns, the Legend seemingly could not "hit" those targets very well or at all in that Part 2 video using v1.15 software. The combination of stock F (iron rejected) discrimination pattern, iron tone break and iron bias setting created this situation. Had Mike changed the pattern to the A discrimination pattern and raised the iron volume level during that video you would have heard the Legend clearly "hit" those targets with mixed ferrous/non ferrous responses.

Changing the Legend's 0 iron filter setting in v1.16 beta software has basically lowered the amount of bias towards iron and made it easier for the Legend using the F discrimination pattern to give non ferrous responses on all of those targets now instead of rejected/silenced iron responses which made the Legend look like it was not able to "hit" those targets previously.

As Dilek said in her October 1st video, none of these v1.16 beta software update changes is increasing the overall depth of the Legend since there is no need to do that because the Legend has competitive depth with the other three detectors in Iffy's video. That is an accurate statement from what I have seen. I own or have owned all four and tested them extensively for overall depth on wild targets on land and I have seen virtually the same depth using 11" coils.

However, since all four detectors do not have the same stock settings or even the same sized stock coils, people who do test videos comparing "stock" settings are not giving viewers the entire picture of these detector's capabilities.

If you watch Iffy's latest 2 minute 30 second YouTube video posted on October 1st that has the Legend using v1.16 beta software on the same four targets, you will still hear the Legend's non ferrous response audio dropping out on the 10" mercury dime sometimes during swings with the discrimination pattern on F even though Iffy says it has no problem on that target. Don't listen to the commentary. Just watch and listen to what the Legend actually does.

 

 

Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Will check out his latest video. Still pretty new to the Legend, a little over a hundred hours and enjoying it. 

[CTidwell]

Updated to 1.16 last night and hit a new beach this morning.  Ca-Raaaaazy chatter!!  Tried all sorts of adjustments and modes, but no luck.  It was even going ballistic as soon as I submerged the coil in a freshwater stream that runs into the ocean there.  Finally gave up after an hour.  Impossible to tell if it was a target or just noise.  Hopefully it's just the location and not a bad install...  Going to try a beach where I've had decent success in the past to make sure it's not the install.