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14 hours ago, broadfield said:

The V3i was the same I think

Only partially. White's had this in mind, but due to patent rights, a USB dongle for installing updates never came to market. The function for wirelessly exchanging programs, which was still integrated in the first V3, has also been discontinued. Forced to act on trademark infringement grounds, White's offered buyers of the V3 up to a certain point to equip the device with new firmware, but this required sending the device to the factory. Like the XLT & DFX, the Spectra devices were so advanced that no updates were necessary as the user can set everything to their liking.

Please excuse the interim comment.

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@detectorist- Just ranting isn't helpful at all. How about giving constructive criticism in the right place, in this case the Vortex forum, and highlighting the things you don't like? It could be that there are suggested solutions to known problems, or that defective components are responsible and need to be replaced at the factory. There are many causes that can cause problems and that can also surprise a manufacturer. Maybe you should calm down first and then approach the matter sensibly. Best regards

https://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/68-garrett-vortex-forum/

I think I am entitled to a bit of rant having paid hard earned cash. By way of simple example running a 18k gold ring under the coil using a single frequency of 13hz gives a lovely chirp at over 10 inches. Switch to MF the signal deteriorates to a crackle and scratch. This is using factory defaults v2.05. Easy for other users to try to see if they get the same response. King regards, Brian.

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14 hours ago, UT Dave said:

 

Of all the aspects of the Vortex launch one might look at and wonder, this is the one that has puzzled me most.  The VDI situation, is also a big surprise.  But from my view in the cheap seats, why they apparently rushed to get the "high end" out in front, from a basic software release/marketing approach standpoint, is what has struck me as the hardest to explain to your boss. 

I'm not in the marketing/business side of anything.  Not an engineer either, but in the engineering side of the enterprise.  And my software engineers, who work well with the marketing/business folks, but never really trust them, would have been hitting the Andon cord/Big Red Stop Button on shipping this release as the All You Can Eat Buffet version.  When the option to ship it as the Sampler version was right there to be utilized.  And in our business unit, the engineers would not have been ignored.  They tend to look for other jobs when you ignore their good ideas.  So they don't get ignored.

I can't make any sense of it.

- Dave

Dave,

Spot on post.  This whole Vortex mess really has the feel of sales pushing engineering aside. Almost like someone with a lot of power said "it's ready enough" and out it went.  

Bill

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6 hours ago, detectorist said:

I think I am entitled to a bit of rant having paid hard earned cash. By way of simple example running a 18k gold ring under the coil using a single frequency of 13hz gives a lovely chirp at over 10 inches. Switch to MF the signal deteriorates to a crackle and scratch. This is using factory defaults v2.05. Easy for other users to try to see if they get the same response. King regards, Brian.

Messing with it, I discriminated out a few notches in MF and turned iron audio on. What’s supposed to happen, the discriminated area gets the buzz, above that it gets the low-med tone.

In MF, it went kind of crazy.
In single frequency it behaved as expected.
There are more issues in MF than I realized.

Tried again, work just fine.
See below.

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1 hour ago, IBMe said:

Messing with it, I discriminated out a few notches in MF and turned iron audio on. What’s supposed to happen, the discriminated area gets the buzz, above that it gets the low-med tone.

In MF, it went kind of crazy.
In single frequency it behaved as expected.
There are more issues in MF than I realized.

Interesting.  I'll have to mess with this today after I get mine updated.

5 hours ago, detectorist said:

I think I am entitled to a bit of rant having paid hard earned cash. By way of simple example running a 18k gold ring under the coil using a single frequency of 13hz gives a lovely chirp at over 10 inches. Switch to MF the signal deteriorates to a crackle and scratch. This is using factory defaults v2.05. Easy for other users to try to see if they get the same response. King regards, Brian.

Absolutely entitled to the rant.  Just be mindful to stick to supported facts, such as the above observation vs. speculating about performance vs. detectors you have not used (e.g., AT and Apex), that was my point.  Credibility is a key here but it is also fragile and easily lost and dispassionate reporting tends to be received in a more productive manner than dramatics, as Steve mentioned.  But definitely don't be afraid to contribute regarding your direct observations on performance and issues.

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