midalake Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 14 hours ago, JCR said: @midalake Dave, Nokta came out with the dt/ deep target adjustment after your trial of the Legend. If you get the chance to re try it with/using dt, I know you will find it much more effective. Same with the Rutus Versa with the latest NC 4.7/4.72 soft ware. Much more effective in mineralization. The Rutus Versa will get a second audition here, sometime in March. [with your help] The Legend will not. 2 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post phrunt Posted January 10 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, midalake said: The Rutus Versa will get a second audition here, sometime in March. [with your help] The Legend will not. I sympathise midalake, some detectors just suit conditions, I'd fight to the death the CTX is the best detector for me for coin hunting where I choose to hunt, yet others would argue its well behind their favoured machine, we are likely both right and I know from experience. I live in a country of extremes, we have it all, super mild soils even with SOME gold fields that VLF's dont even need to ground balance and we can find tiny gold, yet super-hot soils too, the blackest of black sands, salty inland areas, the works. I've been to places where a the 5000 can't balance even with a DD and is lucky to get an inch or two on targets, where the Nox overloads and struggles to hit surface targets. Aussies who think I know nothing about bad soils have no idea what they're talking about, we have worse than they have by a long shot. I've detected places my Nox is impossible to use, not just difficult, impossible. We have volcano's galore and a super volcano that makes Yellowstone seem tame, Taupo is the most active super volcano in the world, and had the biggest eruption in recent history with the biggest eruption in the last 5000 years. A typical New Zealand North Island black sand beach I may often talk about how lucky I am to detect in mild conditions, but I certainly know what bad conditions are, and have tried and failed to detect in them with various detectors. I'm lucky I can choose to detect elsewhere 🙂 Tarsacci had a short-lived life in NZ, the local dealer advertised a NZ specific coil for it to handle the black sand beaches, those that bought it thought otherwise, and it was short lived and the dealer no longer has them. Interesting thread on it Our worst black sand beaches are said to be made up of 82% magnetite, 8% Iron Oxide, 8% Titanium, Silica, Manganese, Vanadium, and Phosphorous. The NZ dealer has some Tarsacci coils left he's trying to get rid of on clearance, telling you they're good away from the black sand beaches. They killed detectors, full stop regardless of any marketing attempts. 11 1 2 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
midalake Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 hours ago, phrunt said: Our worst black sand beaches are said to be made up of 82% magnetite, 8% Iron Oxide, 8% Titanium, Silica, Manganese, Vanadium, and Phosphorous. To be clear, my beaches have Black sand in them. They are not black sand beaches like you have pictured. Looks horrible, actually. 😎 2 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL NINO77 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 black sand with 80% magnetite is a zone for PI detectors only... forget about VLF detectors..... 25% magnetite is the limit... where VLF detectors can still work..but the range will be greatly reduced. +/- with several negatives.... 2 1 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjc Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, phrunt said: I sympathise midalake, some detectors just suit conditions, I'd fight to the death the CTX is the best detector for me for coin hunting where I choose to hunt, yet others would argue its well behind their favoured machine, we are likely both right and I know from experience. I live in a country of extremes, we have it all, super mild soils even with SOME gold fields that VLF's dont even need to ground balance and we can find tiny gold, yet super-hot soils too, the blackest of black sands, salty inland areas, the works. I've been to places where a the 5000 can't balance even with a DD and is lucky to get an inch or two on targets, where the Nox overloads and struggles to hit surface targets. Aussies who think I know nothing about bad soils have no idea what they're talking about, we have worse than they have by a long shot. I've detected places my Nox is impossible to use, not just difficult, impossible. We have volcano's galore and a super volcano that makes Yellowstone seem tame, Taupo is the most active super volcano in the world, and had the biggest eruption in recent history with the biggest eruption in the last 5000 years. A typical New Zealand North Island black sand beach I may often talk about how lucky I am to detect in mild conditions, but I certainly know what bad conditions are, and have tried and failed to detect in them with various detectors. I'm lucky I can choose to detect elsewhere 🙂 Tarsacci had a short-lived life in NZ, the local dealer advertised a NZ specific coil for it to handle the black sand beaches, those that bought it thought otherwise, and it was short lived and the dealer no longer has them. Interesting thread on it Our worst black sand beaches are said to be made up of 82% magnetite, 8% Iron Oxide, 8% Titanium, Silica, Manganese, Vanadium, and Phosphorous. The NZ dealer has some Tarsacci coils left he's trying to get rid of on clearance, telling you they're good away from the black sand beaches. They killed detectors, full stop regardless of any marketing attempts.at Great pic thats unreal. Guess thats the price you pay for that legendary ounce a shovel paydirt. cjc 1 3 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCtoad Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I enjoy Loren’s videos very much. All the information he gives out, he backs it up with science. I used to watch the tests by the guys (you know the two I’m talking about), where they would test a coin near a rusty nail on a styrofoam block. It just didn’t make sense to me even as a beginner. That scenario takes so, so many variables out of test that it’s probably never going to happen just like that out in the field. 4 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjc Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 These air tests are valuable for comparing how detectors respond to non ferrous targets running different settings. However the ground forms part of the sign--this includes not only iron but also weak targets that the machine sees the ground 'right through." When you include this factor in your interpretation of tone, screen, pinpoint response your accuracy takes a quantum leap. You are now examining the "whole signal." How a target stands out from the surrounding ground tells you more than any meter or graph. When I started we were taught to "turn" a signal by going to the cross sweep. This told you how much of the discriminate tone was solid object, and how much was ground. With these newer highly "alertive" machines, this is even more important as these detectors respond even more sharply to changes underneath the coil that may or may not be solid metal. Old school hunters also distinguished between a "short cross' (keeping the coil within the initial ground / target relationship) and the more stingent "long cross" (taking the coil out far enough to force the machine to reaquire the signal). No technology will stand in for this kind of understanding. cjc 5 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JCR Posted January 13 Popular Post Share Posted January 13 I feel the recurring controversy about Metal Detector "Tests" comes from a short term/narrow thinking mind set. You can't consider any test as definitive. The real world is more complicated than any test set up. But a contrived test set up will show detector behavior & setting adjustment response. There is a very limited amount you can learn from just watching someone else. The real learning comes from your own trials & observations. What do you see & hear & think. My testing is for me. I'm wanting to learn how a detector behaves/reacts in various situations. This gives me a basic understanding to take into the field. It is the actual hunting, in the field that brings it all into practical focus. 12 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&P-OR Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 29 minutes ago, JCR said: I feel the recurring controversy about Metal Detector "Tests" comes from a short term/narrow thinking mind set. You can't consider any test as definitive. The real world is more complicated than any test set up. But a contrived test set up will show detector behavior & setting adjustment response. There is a very limited amount you can learn from just watching someone else. The real learning comes from your own trials & observations. What do you see & hear & think. My testing is for me. I'm wanting to learn how a detector behaves/reacts in various situations. This gives me a basic understanding to take into the field. It is the actual hunting, in the field that brings it all into practical focus. A big AMEN to that JCR! 2 Link to comment https://www.detectorprospector.com/topic/27432-another-comparison-video-between-the-top-vlfs-with-a-difference/page/3/#findComment-288582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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