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I'm seeing a lot of prospecting club claims being closed. I don't know if membership is dropping or the higher fees are affecting budgets ... or both.

It appears one of the nicest prospecting clubs, Havasu Gold Seekers, payment check bounced. Usually when this happens clubs relocate their claims quickly. Just make sure there aren't new or relocated claims before you try to claim those areas.

I'm not seeing a lot of BLM closure mistakes. That's an unusually high number of closed claims so if you own a mining claim it would be as good idea to check your claim status at the BLM or later today after we update the claims map on Land Matters.

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Noticed the same trend in prospecting club claim closures in California. May be related to the banning of suction dredging expanding to include high-banking and the fines related to non-permitted river/stream water out-take and discharge. Cost-wise metal detectors are a cheaper option compared to the State permitting costs to just high-bank those old bench gravels.

Yeah it looks like California got hit pretty hard. I think small miners with a few claims are particularly hard hit by the higher fees.

I was unaware that highbanking in California, or any other state, requires a permit. When did this happen? Mining is classified as a beneficial water use in California so in most places you can take limited amounts of needed mining water from a stream without a permit.

7 hours ago, Clay Diggins said:

I was unaware that highbanking in California, or any other state, requires a permit. When did this happen?

My understanding is that a water out-take and discharge permit is required for all mining. Pan and sluicing are still allowed within the waterline (high or low?) of the stream or river. Introduction of any foreign matter (bank material?) into a stream or river is prohibited and subject to fines. The State has not offered much in the way clarification since the legal matter of suction dredging was settled in State court, the US supreme refused to take up the matter. 
I recall the California Water Control Board and the Northern Tribes (Klamath, Trinity & Salmon Rivers) brought about the original lawsuit. After the matter was decided permitting was turned over to the California Department of Fish & Wildlife. The New 49ers website (https://goldgold.com) may have updated information, they have also reduced their claim holdings and membership fees.  
Let me know if I am mistaken and I pull my equipment out of storage.


Here’s a link but dive into the permitting requirements beyond just suction dredging section. 

https://wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Suction-Dredge-Permits

Many of the areas of West Cental Montana have been closed to vehicle traffic.  There are many active claims

in the area that are foot traffic only.  These areas have roads that have been used for over 120 years.  They are

historical roads.  I dropped my claims years ago due to the many agencies disallowing mechanical equipment.

That was in 2013.  I was able to drive to the mine site since; not now.  I am 80 and cannot carry all the detectors,

pick, coils, ect.  Hopefully the Chevron Decision will rescind some of this madness.

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On 12/23/2024 at 9:24 PM, Goldseeker5000 said:

I had intentions of getting  it done today, but I had errands and chores keeping me busy til almost dark. I got items needed to do test for tomorrow. The suspense is getting  to me too.

50 minutes ago, HardPack said:

My understanding is that a water out-take and discharge permit is required for all mining. Pan and sluicing are still allowed within the waterline (high or low?) of the stream or river. Introduction of any foreign matter (bank material?) into a stream or river is prohibited and subject to fines. The State has not offered much in the way clarification since the legal matter of suction dredging was settled in State court, the US supreme refused to take up the matter. 
I recall the California Water Control Board and the Northern Tribes (Klamath, Trinity & Salmon Rivers) brought about the original lawsuit. After the matter was decided permitting was turned over to the California Department of Fish & Wildlife. The New 49ers website (https://goldgold) may have updated information, they have also reduced their claim holdings and membership fees.  
Let me know if I am mistaken and I pull my equipment out of storage.


Here’s a link but dive into the permitting requirements beyond just suction dredging section. 

https://wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Suction-Dredge-Permits

Thanks for the link  I've seen the dredge moratorium and there is nothing about highbanking or water use in there.

If you are on federal lands the riparian water right survived the later creation of the water boards "appropriative water rights" (permits).

I've owned and irrigated 20+ acres of farm property in California under the grandfathered riparian rights that were preserved in 1913 and 1928. I didn't need a permit or permission to use the water straight from the river. I did fill out an informational form when my water use exceeded 500,000 gallons but that is a courtesy to the district not a requirement. There is a requirement that all water use must be beneficial under the law but irrigation and mining are already classed as beneficial use in the California Constitution.

 

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5 hours ago, Clay Diggins said:

If you are on federal lands the riparian water right survived the later creation of the water boards "appropriative water rights" (permits).

I believe that was the core argument that the suction dredgers represented to the State Supreme Court. From my old research a high-banker had a be a minimum of 100 yards (300 feet) from a stream or river, required a sediments settling pond and a permit/fee to pump water from the stream or river. Since the bench gravels were less than 70 feet from the stream that would require moving the gravels upslope 230 feet to the high-banker. Considering the slope angle exceeded 30 degrees and the cost to pump water upslope 300 feet, opted to bucket the material to the truck for transport off-claim. The New 49ers website (left side column) under “Legal Affairs” has a history of the legal battle they fought (goldgold.com).  

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