AI Used For Metal Detectors

[Wild Bill]

Norvic, it’s perfectly ok to laugh at anything I say whether I ment it in humor or not.  Much of this subject is humorous anyways.  I too have some hearing loss as well.  I spent my early years in aerospace and aviation around noisy airplanes.  At the same time I ran a nitro burning fuel dragster.  Later it was mining and heavy equipment… adding to some hearing loss.  I’m basically a gear head nerd with a wide interest in things.  My wife occasionally thinks I’m not listening especially when driving and there’s some road noise.  She talks softly while most of the men I know tend to boom out what they have to say.  Especially heavy equipment operators.  Technology can be a two sided deal.  A blessing and a curse depending on its application.  What we want out of this emerging tech is a good thing except if we stop digging up all the trash and disposing it!  When you think of all the detectorists all over the world collecting metallic trash, it amounts to many tons annually.  Sure it ends up in landfills but it’s not spread out as much when we’re done breaking our backs digging trash.  I’ve seen people that hesitate to give permission to hunt but when they see a bucket of trash, they say “I had no idea” and they are pleased and more open to the idea.  To us it’s like mining waste, we don’t want to do it but it often has to be done.  Better technology reduces that in detecting.  Just a thought. 

[Norvic]

33 minutes ago, phrunt said:

There is plenty of intelligence already in detector code

Aye weight in my pocket proves this as does my hearing and that`s not just an opinion tis a long term experience. Whether we wish to call some advances AI, Geosense or whatever to market such....😉

Aye Wild Bill tis a bad negative we are filling our land fill with old unwanted techs. Maybe AI might come up with an answer to that.

[GotAU?]

I’m thrilled at how well AI can write code and programs for some of the projects I do. It can even design and show schematics for digital circuits given from what the inputs are and what you want it to do. This stuff is for real today.

[Norvic]

Me too I`m more than thrilled especially the way hearing aids now can intelligently automatically adjust positively from detecting to the other different noise environments one experiences tis amazing, and another advantage with the current price of gold an ounce gets you hearing pretty clearly. Certainly is real today.

17 minutes ago, GotAU? said:

I’m thrilled at how well AI can write code and programs for some of the projects I do. It can even design and show schematics for digital circuits given from what the inputs are and what you want it to do. This stuff is for real today.

 

[phrunt]

I had a hearing problem recently for over a week whereby one ear completely lost hearing, I had a lot of trouble in noisy environments, even just driving along in a car hearing the person in the passenger seat or if the TV was on and someone with a softer voice spoke I struggled to hear them properly so I have a vague idea what you go through Norvic, and I can see the excitement modern hearing aids are giving you and obviously the benefit it would provide with your detecting, when they fixed my ear and the sound came back immediately I really felt it, it was instant relief, suddenly everything felt loud.

The signal processing they're using in the hearing aids is in some way like the signal processing detectors do, your hearing aids are using software to help bring voices out of background noise like we try and get a nugget tone out of a noisy threshold and the technology behind your hearing aids is pretty cool that they can now make processors so small and fast with low power consumption this has even become possible, it's the people behind the processors and the software engineers creating the algorithms that are the brains behind your improved hearing, not AI.

[Norvic]

16 minutes ago, phrunt said:

it's the people behind the processors and the software engineers creating the algorithms that are the brains behind your improved hearing, not AI.

AI by whatever definition you wish to use is created by those people brains, now the hearing aid manufacturers are saying some of their higher tech models use AI to automatically adjust to different environments. Your opinion maybe it`s not AI but I`ll trust the hearing manufacturers definition on this one whether you believe it`s just glossy marketing or not. What`s in a name Grasshopper..........😉

[Wild Bill]

You know it doesn’t necessarily have to be AI to adjust to the environment sound wise.  We’ve had automatic ground balance on both analog and digital detectors for a long time.  Something that amazes me is that an experienced talented electric guitarist can tell the difference between the best solid state amplifier and analog tube amps.  They prefer the analog tube amp because it sounds better, a fuller more pleasing sound.  Same with vinyl records.  So far all the solid state AI in the world can’t change that and it’s sound.  
Artificial = not real aka fake.  I’m not convinced we’re dealing with intelligence at all in this tech.  There’s something to flesh and blood that can’t really be mimicked or counterfeited.  There’s also something to an old experienced detector operator listening and discerning subtle tones on an old analog machine.  What all is really involved in digging or not?  Passion? Intuition? A sense of what it is?  I mean we have self driving cars with AI that have crashed into things that the vast majority of humans wouldn’t have.  We’ve had aircraft go down with AI involved in flight controls that have made the stupidest decisions.  Or the commenter on here that asked AI about the zoomed in mining district in Australia looking at quartz float everywhere and it thought it was hail on the ground.  Maybe it’s not all that intelligent or maybe it just lacks spirit or a soul.  But what the hell do I know, I’m flesh and blood!  🤣

[Norvic]

1 hour ago, Wild Bill said:

You know it doesn’t necessarily have to be AI to adjust to the environment sound wise.

Aye very true AI tis a tricky one to nail down by just definition, auto GB and many years before that auto tuning and thus why I mentioned Geosense. I do note manufacturers of hearing aids do have auto environment adjustments in their cheaper models that they don`t claim to be AI, but to hear the diff between those and their AI claimed models is like chalk and cheese, my hearing difficulties in both ears are from my very early occupational years. Mad plumber from the solid rivet tank building era.

Artificial = not real aka fake.... aye that puts the cat amongst the pigeons 😉

[mntnflyr4fun]

AI is software, garbage in, garbage our. Couple A1 with great sensor technology and the sky is the limit. Detector manufacturers have the sensors (coils) and can develop complimentary sensors as we go along, AI will do for detecting what the transition from analog to digital did, AND because it is 90% software, improving the algorithms used to make detectors "smart" is not going to take huge development $$, a couple smart nerds with a computer to leverage what the world is already developing and A! will make it a low cost game changer.

Yeah show it a picture of white rocks on the ground, it will make errors, show it the same picture with some supporting information and/or directed followup questions, and even today when it is still in its infancy it will give great answers to make you do more homework and eventually make you a better operator.

I use AI daily in engineering work, market analysis and lots of other stuff and I can tell you I am constantly amazed at its ability to amalgamate data into a solid summary of all the information out there. As it is developed to think and use the information differently, that will be the key.

AI is a conversational tool. You don't get where you want to go with 1 question, you ask, analyize, refine and soon it has given you a picture that encompasses very nuanced aspects of the problem.

I would expect if the bigs don't jump on the AI bandwagon hard some startup that knows their way around computers will certainly blowup what the bigs think they own and suddenly they will be scrambling to play catchup. I remember when Whites/Fisher/Garrett weree the bigs, there were no serious other players, and look at today. MLtoys with us now with all their "features" and improved models while delivering marginally better results,  but AI will be a quantum jump forward, turning PI or some related technology into a versatile/universal detector that we will all b escrambling to buy......