Deus 2 Software V3.1 With 11" FMF Coil Finds

[Jeff McClendon]

I have read a lot of complaints and seen a few videos about the wayward performance of Deus 2 using V3.1 software and the HF2 and original FMF coils. Some of that has been using Pitch 2 as the audio choice and some has been about using the HF2 coil running at really high max and selectable single frequencies above 53 kHz.

There are appropriate places and situations to use the HF2 coil running above 53 kHz and to use the new Pitch 2 audio. 

We are all figuring this out together.

Pitch 2 is extremely powerful and a little goes a long way.

I can tolerate it for 2 or 3 hours so far for micro jewelry hunting and small nugget gold prospecting situations where I am digging everything. I have not tried Pitch 2 for selective digging or for really deep target detection in thick trash or at a saltwater beach. Maybe someday I will.

Anyway, I have been using my Deus 2 with FMF 11" coil using private beta, public beta and the official V3.1 software for months. I have not noticed any unusual target ID behavior, any loss of performance or any problems whatsoever hunting on highly iron mineralized land using very selective digging in public areas that only allow screwdrivers and probes for target recovery.  Mostly I have used the General program in a custom 5 tone setup running 40 kHz max frequency which is what I mostly used with V2.00 software.

We got some rain here in Central Colorado so digging has been really easy. I did selective digging deep target hunts yesterday and today at two older public parks here in Denver. These were strictly turf hunts using the General program and 11" coil. No sand, gravel or wood chip bark hunting. All of these targets were in the 5 to 11" depth range. Some had borderline ferrous/non ferrous responses due to their depth including both of the older silver dimes. They responded with decent high conductor non ferrous tones and good IDs but there were ferrous tones and IDs present too which is perfectly normal for this highly iron mineralized area. The 4.5 gram 14k ring was 5" deep and had a rock solid 56 target ID which was within the range of gold ring target IDs that I was concentrating on. The clad coins had accurate target IDs and tones also even though many were 8" deep or more. No surprises.

I am a keep the coil low, scrub the ground and fairly slow sweep speed hunter. I am listening for the faintest mid tone gold range and high tone silver range target audio. I double check all potential deep one ways to see if I can get a better response. These parks get hunted a lot. Most people walk right by these deeper targets.

I have also used the 11" coil with the Sensitive program running 40 kHz max frequency and setup for micro jewelry hunting using Pitch 2 with no issues whatsoever. 

I have already posted here about how much I like using the HF2 coil with Pitch 2 for micro jewelry hunting.

 

 

[mn90403]

Killer ring!

Are these the same areas you have used the Manticore?

Would you say it was missed or unseen by your other detectors ... maybe because of the rain?

[Jeff McClendon]

Some Deus 2 programs do have soil subtraction like its General program which is supposed to help with damp soil.

The park I hunted where I found the deep silver dimes and wheats has been absolutely flogged by me and a lot of other hunters for the last 40 years. The area of the other park where I found the gold ring and deep coins pictured was an area that I have never hunted before but plenty of others have.

I have no doubt that the Manticore with 11” coil would have detected all of those targets. How different the dig/no dig response quality of information might be between Deus 2 and Manticore is a great question.

[DigDeepNow]

The 4.5 gram 14k ring was 5" deep and had a rock solid 56 target ID which was within the range of gold ring target IDs that I was concentrating on.

 

Can I ask what gold range you use?

I've spent a lot of time with my Deus 2 and have never dug up any gold 😫

[Jeff McClendon]

24 minutes ago, DigDeepNow said:

The 4.5 gram 14k ring was 5" deep and had a rock solid 56 target ID which was within the range of gold ring target IDs that I was concentrating on.

 

Can I ask what gold range you use?

I've spent a lot of time with my Deus 2 and have never dug up any gold 😫

I use the gold range that I learned from experience. I tested every gold jewelry item I could get my hands on many years ago and started to find gold jewelry after that with the detectors I was using. Each brand of detector is a little different and so are men’s and women’s gold jewelry, jewelry karat characteristics, size and overall weight.

For the hunt I mentioned I was digging every target with a solid, repeatable ID between 50 and 68 which covers most women’s gold rings, larger pendants, men’s small and medium sized rings and USA nickels, along with several varieties of pull tabs and random aluminum trash.

Depending on the area I’m hunting meaning affluent or not, used mostly by men, women or children, etc. I will pick the target ID range that will mostly fit the situation. I have recovered gold jewelry with Deus 1 and Deus 2 that had target IDs from 28 to 84.

So, if you are able, test every gold item you can get your hands on along with every variety of pull tab. Most importantly test US nickels so you absolutely know what they sound like even in your sleep. If you can leave a hunt site knowing you heard and recovered all of the US nickels you passed your coil over, eventually you will find gold rings.

[DigDeepNow]

thanks

this is very helpful

feel like I've been unlucky - I've been trying to dig all the nickels I can for a couple of years

[Jeff McClendon]

1 hour ago, DigDeepNow said:

thanks

this is very helpful

feel like I've been unlucky - I've been trying to dig all the nickels I can for a couple of years

Many people hunt coins, jewelry and relics on land with full tones. Sometimes I do too. But most of the time, especially in a very selective digging situation, I will just use five tones especially when I am concentrating on gold jewelry.

I use the USA nickel tone to help me find gold jewelry. By that I mean that I set up the 5 tones so that I pick a mid tone that really pops for me and I do the same for the highest tone that I pick for high conductor coins and silver jewelry. I scroll through the tones and listen for the ones that really stand out easily for my hearing. If I hear either of those tones and the target has the right audio characteristics that I can hear or not pretty quickly, I make an educated decision after checking the target IDs for stability. Depending on the site or what range of gold target IDs I feel like concentrating on, I may move the lower and or upper end of the "nickel" tone bin to really help me listen for that range of targets. When I hear a likely suspect, I just make a quick glance at the IDs and maybe the depth. It just makes it easier for me to listen for one tone pitch and then concentrate on the target response qualities of that pitch instead of trying to figure out which full tone pitch or group of adjacent pitches I'm hearing and has that pitch or pitch pattern ever been a gold jewelry pitch in testing or real life experience, etc....

So, when I say learn what nickels sound like, for me it means that most of the gold rings I have found with Deus 2 and these latest SMF detectors have had audio characteristics that sound like a US nickel and they also have had target IDs that only vary by one or no numbers during coil passes. The gold ring in the photo above was within the nickel tone bin that I had setup and it sounded very much like a nickel but with a single 56 target ID instead of an actual 61 or 62 nickel ID and that ID remained 56 no matter what direction I swung over it and it did not have that brassy sound that some aluminum canslaw has. It was a no brainer dig me.

Aluminum targets like complete pull tabs with target IDs in Deus 2's 60 to 75 or so range are sometimes going to sound really good depending on their depth and they will have consistent target IDs. I dig them too very often. Instead of thinking "okay dammit, I got fooled again" or something more negative, I try to think instead "that target sounded really good and it had most of the right characteristics for a nickel or gold ring so I'm glad it got my attention"

[mn90403]

I like that positive approach.  Thank you.

We know super targets are far between and you've found a way to take the emotions out of a similar sounding target.  It is a clue so it is good to have.  If we ignore the clues then it reduces our chances of getting that good find.  Since you are hunting in a well hunted park and you are expanding to new areas of the park you have explained some of your success.

I use a long used 'similar' approach which says that the more trash you dig the closer you get to a good target at the beach.  When in gold country you have to believe when you find trash YOU are going to be the one to find the goodies.

Then you move to an easier spot!

[DigDeepNow]

thanks for all the help

dug 11 nickels yesterday and a lot of pull taps/ring pulls/aluminum

gold ring did not happen but thanks to you I had a plan and hope - it was very fun