Idanox

I saw this topic come up quite a while back. They ended up using a hard sided bow case. Worked out really nicely. 

This doesn’t surprise me. Up until recently, Idaho trespass law was very much in favor of the trespasser, not the landowner/mineral rights owner. The law has changed, but the people have not. Having lived in other states, I never knew how much of a problem trespassers could be, we just didn’t have issues with it. The main thing I see with people is poaching and antler theft. They always act like they had no idea they shouldn’t be there. Several times I have taken pity on them and not called the law, and always hear about how they start telling everyone lies about what really happened. Usually on Facebook. I’ve had several people tell me that I’m being badmouthed for being nice. Now my policy is zero tolerance because they can’t claim that I was in the wrong if they have a conviction to prove it. 

I don’t comment much because I have more to learn than to say, but can contribute here. As a career ranch manager, I have hundreds of thousands of miles on atvs. If you plan on trading your machine in every few years, then pick one that rides smoothly and is fun to drive. They will all be fine for that long with once or twice a week use. I’ve used atvs from Honda, Yamaha, Polaris, kowisaki, Kubota, John Deere. The only machine I’ve found to be of adequate quality is Honda. They don’t ride as nice, and they usually don’t have the power the others do, but they last forever. Currently we have rancher 420ES, foreman 500ES and pioneer 1000-5 models, and they range from 3500 miles to 16,000 miles. My neighbor has a foreman 500 with nearly 40,000 miles without a breakdown. We also have 4 Yamaha grizzlies, 3 Polaris rangers, 1 Polaris rzr, and 1 Polaris sportsman. We lost one engine in a Yamaha, and lots of small repairs. Can’t keep a Polaris on the trail for more than a couple hundred miles at a time between belts, clutches, oil leaks, axles, and a transmission/transfer case/rear diff combo for $3500. If I bought a new machine right now it would be a Honda for sure, and most likely a pioneer 1000-5

1 hour ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Hi Idanox.

I have done similar testing as Chase in the past in sand and recently in pea gravel. Both times I noticed a fairly steady .25 inch difference in each sensitivity increment in default Park 1 except for sensitivity 25, with the stock 11" coil on a clad dime, maximum depth was 11.5". So the difference between 25 and 21 was 1 inch. 21 to 17 was also 1". Same with 17 to 13, etc. So from sensitivity setting of 1 to 25 was about 6" difference.......... I do have a lot of EMI in my area and very mineralized soil.

Jeff

Great info, thanks for sharing. I started doing some testing but got bored quickly and just started hunting. Best day yet with a 1955D wheat penny and a 1943S nickel. My first silver! Don’t mean to hijack the thread though. 

Thanks for the reply Chase. I will start at 10 next time I hit the local park and see if that makes the experience more positive. In my area, I run into LOTS of rusty iron, old barbed wire, parts of old farm equipment, bolts, washers, the worst is rotten tin roof pieces. I have gotten better at avoiding some junk by lowering the sensitivity and getting a more accurate tid, so I’m wondering if the tid will continue to get more stable as I lower the sensitivity, or if I just lose depth from here on down. One way to find out I guess. Off to an old yard. 

On 8/21/2019 at 12:39 PM, Jeff McClendon said:

I don't know where you live but here in Colorado the wood chip playgrounds have 6" to 1' of wood chips with a thick fabric weed barrier below that. The weed barrier is stapled into the ground along seams where the fabric overlaps. The staples are targets as are many targets below the weed barrier. I always turn my sensitivity down to 10 or less in these wood chip playgrounds, watch the depth meter carefully and only dig shallow, 6" or less, two way repeatable targets. I always hunt these tot lots in Park 1 because of the tiny pieces of aluminum foil that will come in from 2 to 12 on the Nox depending on size. Park 1 is definitely less sensitive to these tiny foil pieces but will still hit on small gold targets, no problem. Sensitivity at 10 or less will also let you get closer to play structures with your DD coil. Try to always swing into play structure poles and concrete curbing with the sides of your DD coil and not with the front tip. It will double beep easily on the poles or rebar and fool you. If you use the side of the coil to approach play structure poles, sidewalks and curbs you should only get one long beep. If not, you may have a target. Wood chips do not create much resistance for the transmit and receive signal so you can really turn down the sensitivity even to 5 and still do well around play structures, sidewalk edges and curbing.  Running your Nox at 16 will hit every larger target within 1' of your coil including the barrier staples, rebar, and other buried supports for the play structures. Toggle your horseshoe button to check for negative numbers and low tones in Park 1 or Park 2. You can also just use 5 tones to simplify things. 50 tones can be a bit much over aluminum targets, rebar and around play structure supports that have multiple alloys.

Park 2 in sand, gravel or wood chips over gravel and sand will pick up tiny foil, aluminum can shards and even tiny naturally occurring iron particles which can all give signals in the 2 to 14 range. Park 2 is much more sensitive to these smaller targets by design.

 

Jeff

I often get frustrated with the overload of signals from my 800, and this post got me thinking. Has anyone tried setting sensitivity to 1 and clearing an area, then switching to 2, then 3, etc. until they figure out what the difference in depth is between each setting? I’d go try it, but it’s 4 a.m. 

I started at sensitivity 20 when I got the machine and have slowly backed down to 15-17 to ease my sanity but now I’m thinking it may have been much more enjoyable learning the 800 in my trashy areas by doing the opposite. 

I just got off the phone with them. Same story you got. I guess I’ll be making calls today to other dealers. 

Cabela’s shows in stock. Heads up though, they do not offer the 15% military discount. If Kellyco can’t answer any questions when I call today, I’ll be searching for another dealer.