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Simon remember I asked you in a DM about a special coil. You must have missed that one as well. Well now you know. Also I'll be contacting Rohan soon about making a custom coil and thank him for my nugget pics on his website. Things are about to get interesting.

I would think the M9 should hit a Nickel at maybe 16".....I don't have one but I might test the M8 as a reference to the M9.

Welcome, nice to see someone using an FBS machine, a big fan of the CTX myself, never had the chance to run an E-trac. Feel free to post about your finds in the coins and relics section of the forum or wherever suits the find, it would be good to see as there are certainly great finds in your neck of the woods.

Happy to help out. I can't speak for actual water hunting as I have the Excalibur for that. Maybe you could borrow a Manticore and test it for your conditions.......I don't want to assume you can run max power settings in the salt water. Your bay area is brackish water and calm so might be a good fit for the Manticore. Audio is #1 and having a screen is #2. At least those settings will get you in the ballpark and you can temper as required. I have two of Chuck's originals scoops....the 7" and the 9"....still going strong and will outlive me I'm sure. I don't know if I have squeezed 100% performance from the Manticore....probably not. I am really focusing on target audio (my ears).....the next level is whispers. Everything in the video is easy stop targets.....even at 20", the ring (to me) is an easy target to recognise and is not even approaching a "whisper". Do I risk the Sennheisers in the salty air.......they are for the whisper signals. I will probably never use a PI again on the beach....the sand is so neutral. A few areas in the water there is black sand (rare) so I will bring out the old dinosaur PI3000 for that. I mentioned in another post that the Manticore is the deepest beach detector I have used including the Eric Foster machines, and all of the Minelab high powered PI units and my (sold) White's TDIBH. Comfortably deeper as well. *** I had some hand written notes *** 1. One second sweep from left to right is what you need. In the water might be a little harder. 2. I like to GB by sweeping the coil in an arc in front of me rather than the traditional up/down. I think both of these points are in the Manticore manual.

Tony, I would say your not in the need of a PI!! I'm close to buying one and just hope I can get the same results, if I do. The screen would be useless for me since water vis is almost zero, all I need is deep and if it hits 16+ inches on a 6 gram gold I would be happy. That would relive some of the pressure of worrying about issues with the AQ. Thanks for all the extra Tony. And Keep me informed on your quest for deeper.. Same here At the ocean I did have that issue and there is no digging of deep targets when waist deep and up, the sand is to fluid, than add the rough waves smashing you. Its hard to pass them up, just have to keep moving. As far as the Bay, where I hunt now I can get down to about 14 to 16 fairly quick, anything deeper I have to widen the hole. I have dug a few down around 18? But water was calmer and I was not out to deep. It gets to the point you have to go under to kick the scoop. Sometime I've even kicked the handle just above the scoop. I do have to say the Chucks 720 is a big help for it takes a nice bite out of the sand, being 7w x 6t x 14 deep.

Truly AMAZING. More proof life is what you make it. I know way too many people that are without ANY disabilities and even young and healthy constantly whining and saying things like I could never do that, REALLY watch what people with NO ARMS can do.! Just Do IT and stop your Whining..!

Simon, Thanks for the update myself and several others our patiently waiting to get this one in hand. I’ll have a large order put in to keep stock in hand for this one. Ron

I’m a gearhead nerd but not quite a “geek” in that I’ve had a lot of interests and curiosities in life including astronomy and astrophysics. Here’s a pic of one of my custom built telescopes behind my one ton crew cab 4x4 pickup. It’s a 6” aperture F-12 refractor on an Astrophysics 800 German Equatorial mount. My other scope was even bigger. A 20” aperture F-5 Newtonian reflector both scopes with custom made optics. This was a few years back as I sold them for professional cameras, lenses and gear. I’ve had a lot of hobbies, from drag racing to astronomy. But yes that’s where they theorize gold originated.

Did it still ring up as 77 out of the hole after you recovered it? Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you double checked the hole after recovery? I seriously doubt high sensitivity caused a change in expected TID. More likely you were lighting up an adjacent target or ground mineralization that was causing the target ID for the beavertail to up-average.

77, that's definitely odd. Sure there wasn't a copper penny under the beavertail?

Looks like a new option is going to be available very soon, this seems a solid date not like the maybe sometime one day in the possible future Nugget Finder often does like with the GPX 6000 coils and originally the Z-search. This is from Miners Den New Nugget Finder coil incoming! Nugget Finder have just announced an exciting new coil for users of the AlgoForce E1500, E1500 Plus and modified minelab legacy GPX machines! The 13" x 9" Evo2 is a spiral / flat wound mono coil developed with the AlgoForce and modded GPX machines in mind, to ensure you can get the most out of the extreme sensitivity of your chosen machine! Set for release on July 1st, the initial numbers will be quite small so jump in and pre-order yours today and skip the queue! Hopefully the build consistency problems of the Mk2 Sadie are resolved on these as they can be pretty random if they calibrate in ultra fine on the Algoforce, a majority do but the odd Sadie Mk2 just won't calibrate. With any luck every coil is tested on the Algoforce before shipping to ensure this problem doesn't continue. Hopefully more sizes become available too as at the moment this is the only EVO coil they make., I still really like my 14x9" EVO and I'd rarher a 12x8" than a 13x9", I'm sure being slightly bigger the 13x9" is quieter than the 12x8" EVO though, 12x8" is really pushing the size limits of a full spiral coil I believe. It's so good to see more legacy GPX coils hitting the market and NF have a long history of making great legacy GPX coils

If I'm not gold detecting it's fishing. and bowhunting in that order. Found alot of good detecting and hunting spots while out fishing and vice versa. 😉

I use a Nokta Gold Kruzer for gold prospecting. I personally think it’s better than the ML Gold Monster 1k in almost every regard. I had a chance to swap with a guy for awhile and the GM 1k is well balanced but falls over unless the ground is flat as a table. The Kruzer was more sensitive and in some rare cases of severe mineralization, it handles it with no problems that the GM1k has trouble. It also is coil knock sensitive, something I haven’t experienced with a detector since the 1970s. But the GM1k is far more popular. The other detector I use for general purpose is the Garrett AT Max. I know it’s 7 years old and single frequency and unimpressive by today’s multi frequency standards. But something it can do and do it well is detect .05 gram gold with a 5x8” DD coil at a frequency of 13.6 Kh! At .3 gram at 1-2” it’s an obvious signal and that’s in my own Nevada soil with a ground balance of 96. You drag a magnet a few inches and you have to grab a hand full of black sand off to use it again. I’ve never done more of an in depth test on it but that kind of sensitivity I did not expect. There’s a lot of coin/relic detectors out there that can’t do that. I’ve used the Gold Kruzer for high grading gold ore and the tiny gold “particles” it detects is amazing and the only detector I’ve witnessed doing the same is the good old Gold Bug 2. Which might be more sensitive than the Kruzer. GB2 3x6” coil @ 71Kh Vs Gold Kruzer 4x7.5” @ 61Kh. The MD-20 hand held prob detector @ 300 Kh is the most sensitive I know of for high grading ore. The Gold Kruzer’s other operation modes is a plus but I’ve never used it for jewelry or coin detecting yet. But after watching a video of the Deus with the coil operated at high frequency and it’s greater response to non ferrous metals, I think I’ll use the Kruzer some time soon for that purpose. Still I’m a bit behind the times on the latest technology. I just don’t go buy a detector every year or two.

I've been asked how big the gold ring is.....so here is the answer. 18K gold ring / 6.65 grams / OD 23mm / Thickness 1.3mm.

Still working on that.....maybe the Manticore has less to "process" with an open screen Not in the water but on the lower beach although I had reached the salt water table but the limestone is a natural and permanent barrier.

How did you retrieved the ring man.. my sand collapse back in the hole at 14 inches to 16 inches .. lol what's your take on ferrous limit as one of the power setting

My buddy Kevin has a story about his best find to date. Confederate belt plates are hard to find anyway but he found one of the rarest types you can find. In and around Chattanooga, TN, any time they do a construction project, you'll see a half dozen or more relic hunters searching the newly cleared areas and dirt piles. The place he found this at, was such a place and he and his other hunting buddy were scoping it out just in case. They were hunting the likely area of a hill where relics would/should be and Kevin says he heard somebody call out his name. He looked around assuming it was his buddy that had made a find. Didn't see anybody. Kept hunting and heard it again...this time he looked harder and he swears he saw a person standing at the bottom of the hill towards a section of uncleared woods motioning for him to come over. He thinks its his buddy that has wandered into a hot spot and is calling him on over. So he heads that way...his buddy is no where to be found and nobody there at all. But guess what he walks into. A small picket post or camp site in which he finds that rare Confederate buckle. He always says "It's my best find and I am absolutely sure I had help finding it".

Yep, I am about to wear out another pair. I will be going on to Amazon to order another pair soon as well as more snake guards. I go through a pair of snake guards about every 3 months. There is nothing good on the market that lasts. I would like to get my hands on a pair of carbon fiber snake guards. If you ever get struck in the guards, you really should throw them away as rattlesnake fangs often break off into the cordura fabric.

Absolutely.....I can also trust the accuracy of the target trace especially in white beach sands. I can detect for 30 minutes and not even hear/see iron junk. Running those ferrous limits in an iron trashy beach might be tiring on your ears after a while so adjusting them is probably needed. My deepest gold ring was a measured 20" resting on a crushed limestone and shell layer.....the first sweep was a soft break in the threshold and a faint dot right on the centre line....ID was about 10. Naturally the dot got bigger and darker as I dug down and the ID ended up around 35.

to me this is when target trace comes to play on the manticore, while using very low ferrous limit. I can look at the screen for a glance the behavior of the traces to "gamble" if its iron or possibly non ferrous collocated targets..

My pleasure Sir Thank you

I certainly appreciate having these types of material to study. They fill in knowledge gaps we don’t realize we have.

That token is really neat. Good detail also.

SOLD! and Thanks!!

MANTICORE with M11 coil Volume: With good headphones, I have this around 20 (will vary from person to person). I don't like to max out any circuitry. Search Mode: Beach Deep. Noise Cancel: Always long press and I do two cycles. Ground Balance: Zero for upper beach and middle beach. Wet sand depends on local conditions. I have no black sands 👍 Recovery Speed: Usually 3-4 Discrimination Pattern: All Metal Ferrous Limits: 4/0. I have very little iron junk to deal with so I can run this setting almost open. Ferrous Tones: I have some Ferrous Volume (10). Ferrous Pitch is disabled Target Tones: Disabled Audio Theme: Prospecting (Threshold Level and Pitch, Ferrous Tone are adjusted here to suit individually) Frequency: Multi IQ Sensitivity: Upper and middle beach (up to and including damp sand) 23-24. Wet salt sand about 21. Using Beach Low Conductors is also good but Deep Beach (for me) just beats it. The key power settings are Sensitivity > Search Mode > Recovery Speed > Audio Theme The Manticore is quite forgiving in many settings but the extra performance is "cumulative" if you can optimise the main power settings. I've got more to learn I'm sure.