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  2. Coiltek have the manpower and dedicated R&D team to build new product much more quickly. Having the HQ of Minelab a few km down the road from their factory is probably a nice bonus too....
  3. Yep, spot on Simon, the dual layer spiral coils need height and width to make them work. the internal spiderweb former has to be about 1-2mm thick which adds to the dimensional problems. The 12x6-7-8 or 9 round designs are as far as the concept will allow dimensionally. A stacked mono is the only way to make a smaller mono coil with a flat wind. Even this adds height, much like the old school Co-planar coils we had in the day....
  4. Well after looking at features between them don't you guys think they should have at least included a salt mode for their lower end version? Can't tell ya how many times I have seen new people at the beach with their machines.
  5. Took my machines and tested the coils with my frequency tester on my scope without and with a Steve G lower carbon shaft perpendicular and layed across the coil. I could not see any frequency change nor any depth change. This was done on my Tejon (17khz, D2 (14khz and 40khz mf) and Gold Racer (56khz). Maybe if the carbon shaft is thick enough but no issue with the Steve G shafts. I don't think they pose any problem.
  6. I think it's a great idea as well. In a certain sense though, Nokta has already been doing it. I mean, they have been providing Legend owners with free upgrades and features for a couple of years now.
  7. I know I am not the Brightest candle in the box, but how people do not see the brilliance of this new Vortex and how you obtain the next better version or next new version of it is beyond my comprehension, the manufactures of these detectors should have done this a long time ago but Garrett is the one that is actually doing it What if Mine Lab had of done this when the Equinox 600 and the 800 came out would there have been doubters on that one you purchase a 600 then decide you like what the 800 has to offer more, rather than selling your 600 you just plug it into your PC or what ever and pay a small fee and then install the 800 into your 600 control pod, as I stated this is a brilliant concept for Garrett, I personally am looking at the whole picture of this yes I will purchase the VX9 so I do not have to install anything and when and if Garrett comes out with a VX10,VX11 or VX20 i will fork out the few Dollars it will take to keep Top of the Line in my hands, what I see the possibilities of this new concept is endless in my mind
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  9. Perhaps reactive is a better term. As I understand it, not very well, that’s the difference between a Nox and a D2. The Nox ID changes really quick with the tone, The D2 ID isn’t as immediate, thus less jumpy. The VX9 seems to behave more like a D2. If you jump to where he’s checking out a target, the tone will be changing a lot, but the ID doesn’t change as much. I don’t know if there is a pro or con here, just different. Might even be better, less jumpy.
  10. Apparently the Vortex with the stock Raider coil and lower shaft is 2.8 pounds, add the coil cover to that coil and you get 3 pounds I hear. My Apex with Viper coil + cover and lighter lower rod assembly measures 2.6 pounds. Thank you for reminding me I left that out! The Vortex ability to collapse might address women and children with weight and balance, but larger, heavier coils on anyone's detector, not counterbalanced, are just plain heavy, "S" handle" and "T" handle both.
  11. The answer on this forum is either “buy” or “wait and see”. If your answer is anything else feel free to wander over to the Advice & Comparisons Forum to start a “why not to buy” thread.
  12. let's agree on the fact that Garrett, with the upgrade to the higher model of the Vortex, did it well ... and above all, much more intelligently than some detector manufacturers, who are running ahead of themselves in issuing a number of cheap detectors under different names. .you will remove options and functions.from .your flagship detector...with which they share the same electronics..but mainly without the possibility of the next upgrade of the detector... It goes without saying... that the Garret Process is miles... better
  13. I would add the Weight and balance criteria to this list . It is an important parameter especially for children , women and more generally people liking cumfortable to sweep detectors . For me the Vortex CB is compact and will be lighter than its competitors . However as you said the Raider stock coil is probably heavier than the competition
  14. Good things come to those who wait I hope! I have not yet had my hands on the new Garrett Vortex, but as a former metal detector field tester/evaluator, here's my observations and opinions on what has been presented. Mostly I'm comparing the VX9 to the Apex because that is what I have successfully (and happily) used for many years now. My observations and opinions will be "likes" and "dislikes" combined to make things simple... And I do like simple! Sorry, being verbally conservative was never my strong suit! 🙂 Technology... First and foremost (and I have said this before), I think Garrett was smart to purchase their former main competitor's intellectual property. I'm seeing three separate lines of conductive analysis similar to the direction their competitor was working on. Hunting in tough trash proximity might be greatly improved for me to better decide to "leave or dig" using this new approach. It's good marketing to attract a former competitor's fan base too. As a graphic designer, I enjoy the simple new Vortex logo, but things such as this don't add finds to your pouch. Blue and black? Why not, we are running out of used color combos... Better than "What ya do'in mister" Chartreuse! 🙂 Speed... Garrett has listened to their loyal followers some more and have now claimed their processing and reactivity speeds are adjustable and faster. Just remember that high speed processing is not always the deepest detection if that is important to you. Some of my best and oldest finds around forgotten wooded homesites were no deeper than 6-8 inches.... Sometimes nearly on the surface. I have maintained the Apex has great depth already, but what is important is how well detectors perform in the worst mineral ground and target proximity scenarios. If Garrett can improve those factors in their new MD-MF platform, I will have no regrets upgrading from the Apex. I did like what I saw and heard in the chief engineer's target proximity field demo. Handle... I'm actually liking the new "T" handle. It takes me back to my more comfortable DIY hipmount days. I was never a fan of the Apex "S" handle size, angle, and contours. For me, an "S" handle always felt like I was pushing something up... "T" handles felt like you were holding something from falling down. I realize this is a "water glass half-full argument", but "T"s always felt more comfortable and more maneuverable to me on land. The new Vortex design might just solve my handle comfort factor if the handle is at a good angle for me. The Vortex housing layout is still horizontal like the Apex which I like very much. It sits atop the handle, but it is recessed backward from the grip's face to give you the comfort of still using only your thumb to press control pads. OK, the box sits seemingly higher in the air on the handle than the Apex, but not as awkward if the housing was long and vertically oriented. One-hand simple operation for me is still efficiency in design. Armcup... The new Vortex armcup appears to be weight reduction driven and underwater friendly, but if the plastic is less rigid and almost flexible, it might better hold to your forearm and be more efficient and comfortable even on land. I do see myself easily adding foam padding to the cup floor though. Appears the armcup might be fastened to the shaft and adjustable in the same brilliant way the Apex is. In the fields and woods where I usually hunt, even a grounded Apex could tip over with the current sized legs. Fact is all detectors are prone to this unless your armcup legs are uncomfortably spaced wide. I like the subtle embossed US flag... I have always enjoyed Garrett detectors for their solid design and build quality since 1977... Even better we support products made in the USA where possible. Controls... And I thought the Apex control pad layout was simple! Garrett has further simplified the controls retaining only the most used controls. Pads look slightly larger with larger embossed icons too. Haven't seen the menu screen structure yet, but I would bet it is a little more involved, yet simple and intuitive... Things I loved about the Apex. I'm not seeing a conductive reference legend at the top of the Vortex main screen like the Apex, but these 72 year old eyes couldn't see them without eyeglasses anyway. I'm grateful they kept the big numerical ID readout. I'll waive comment on the actual unseen menu controls until I actually put the Vortex to work. I do notice an absence of the programmable notch discrimination system on the main screen. Perhaps the mode choice is, like the Apex, already calculated individually. Maybe it is adjustable at the menu screen stage to allow more real estate for the new Multi-Dimensional Multi-Flex Frequency main screen function. Waterproof... Thrilled to learn the Vortex is waterproof. I'm no diver, but I sure liked my garden hose "car wash" mentality when it came time to come home and clean up from my AT-Pro days. Hopefully Garrett will have improved the port of recharge (USB-C). I didn't like the Apex's (USB-A) loose charge cable retention ability. Searchcoils... I'm still a fan of wired searchcoils. One trip into a faraway field forgetting to charge a competitor's coil cured me of any space-age desires! I do see a vulnerability of having an unsupported portion of the Vortex searchcoil cable between upper shaft and control housing... Especially when I'm walking to my huntsites in heavy brush... Price to pay for a more comfortable handle I guess. So glad to see the same accessory coil sizes and configuration as my Apex. Just a little sad to know my Apex coils aren't compatible with the Vortex. Word is the Vortex is a different circuit platform, which reinforces the Apex coil non-interchangeability claim. I'm happy to see the 6 x 11" Viper coil as part of the accessory coil line up. I still think it is their best coil size, shape and weight in a long time. The included stock coil is a bit heavier and less maneuverable for myself. Audio... I think I heard a soft analog sounding target response audio in Garrett's new video. I've been wanting that on my Apex since I owned the AT-Pro. Hopefully my ears don't deceive me and Garrett may have given us a choice of modulated audio and hybrid audio as well. My wireless Apex MS-3, Z-Lynk headphones and wireless "Carrott" Pro-Pointer are still compatible with the Vortex... My wallet thanks you! Shaft... Oh oh! The predetermined spring bottom lower shaft adjustment lengths and tricky collets are still around! Personally I prefer infinite cam-locking adjustment and I will be moving my lighter, aftermarket lower rod assembly currently on my Apex over to the Vortex if it will adapt. It's been a trouble-free lighter setup I have enjoyed on the Apex. I do like the Vortex's collapsible backpacker affinity. Overview... Having used the Apex for years and enjoying it's performance and simplicity, if Garrett can better the Apex platform in just the target proximity separation and identification alone, I'll be a willing customer yet again. Add to that their 3-year warranty, quality construction, unbeatable customer support and now waterproof rating, I will have no regrets taking a chance on a $599 detector of this magnitude. My ultimate plan is to re-hunt an area hunted 13 years exclusively and compete with myself to prove things out. The software upgrade model echelon is nice, but at the small price difference between three models, why not just go to the top with the VX9! It will be interesting to see the Vortex evolution upgrade past VX9.
  15. The lag is probably due to the video and audio not being perfectly synchronized. Lots of youtube videos have this problem due to less than optimal wireless microphones setups or combining audio from one camera with video from another.
  16. I think it's more just the naming will bother people, US coins, if you were to buy a XP Deus 2 and it's coin mode was called French Coins you'd not be overly excited about it 🙂 In the past Garrett released international versions with more generic naming, I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same.
  17. Thank you, Steve, for the quick start guide and information. I'm open to starting out with the VX5 and working upward to the VX9, even though its the VX9 display I ultimately want. Hopefully the manual will be more than the quick start guide and answer more questions. For instance: what the display looks like in single freq mode? How is the target id number obtained? Does any non-ferrous number take precedence over stronger ferrous responses? or does the strongest signal generate the target Id number. What is the audio tone break points? Will it be easy to hunt in single freq and then switch over the multi to check the target response? Plus all the other questions already asked. I do see the need for a label so I can see what number the ferrous pixels generate. While the air tests show solid non-ferrous responses on the marketing test coins, we all know that in ground targets are going give a different response and we will have to learn those ferrous responses for our ground just like we had to with the Explorer series. I dunno but happy to have something that excites me this go around. HH Mike
  18. The make it pretty clear in the mode description that Standard Mode is set up for international coins in contrast to US coin mode and then there is the nod to ancient hammered coins with Thin Coin mode, I think they have the bases covered without favoring US detectorists. They also invested HEAVILY in European and other non-US prototype testing and testimonials to drive home that this detector is not simply catering to the US market.
  19. We'll have to see what they do; I already don't like they're calling a mode US coins, US people will love it, but it sort of puts the rest of the world off thinking it's focused on the USA market. They may just change that for the internationally sold version.
  20. There other models include an international version, they could have easily incorporated this into the design as an option. A region setting would do it, it's really only different disc profile.
  21. I agree. I think the concept will flop or fly depending on if they follow up with a VX11 or something like that within 6 months or so, not two, three, or five years down the road, which has been Garrett's VLF detector product cadence since the AT Pro.
  22. Remember the AT Series? The detector you bought in 2010 is the same now as it was back then, nothing you can do about it. The Vortex comes along, offers an upgrade path to new better models and people complain about it. Garrett will have all intentions of doing any software fixes for free, and I've no doubt minor upgrades suited to the model will be incorporated into it with future updates at no cost, it's when you want to jump between models you pay the fee. This whole process benefits the end user far more than it benefits Garrett and probably why other manufacturers have avoided it thus far, they'd rather sell you an entirely new detector each time, far more profit in that for them than selling you a $100 software upgrade.
  23. The ID display has a delayed reaction. Seems to be building an average. It doesn’t follow the tone real close. I assume this is to eliminate a jumpy ID. Pros? Cons? Easy to see in this video. Been posted before.
  24. Then I better wait for the Camo Version of the Vortex LOL
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