John Oliver

26 minutes ago, FirstNation said:

Fantastic, I learned so much from John’s field book !! I finally understand the menu navigation !! 

Glad I could help! Best of luck this detecting season!

Oh yeah, GB... I also found this cool suspender clip with a turtle on it near the 1870 IHP in the same park, same day.

6 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

Great sun-baker find, or was it a 'moon-baker'?

Here's what the Richard Snow reference says about that coin:

These cents were struck in quantities similar to those of 1871.  Aside from the 1977, this is the toughest date to find today.

(Possibly he's referring to Mint State condition coins in regards to his 'toughest' comment.  But most of those post-war 13 years 1866-1878 are semi-keys or better due to their relatively low mintages.

Well, there are lower grades than G-4:  AG-3, F-2, P-1 (About Good, Fair, Poor).  I'm not going to try and grade yours.  No matter the condition, I always get a thrill from finding a scarce date (which almost never happens for me -- that's why they've been labeled 'scarce'!  😁)

 

Thanks GB, It is one of the fun years for sure. A few years ago I found a really, really nice 1870 shallow N Indian head cent in a city park along with a gold cufflink and three percussion caps. With the environmental damage of being a dug coin, I don't know if it would be worth having it graded or not. 

54 minutes ago, rvpopeye said:

Karma giving you one of life's little surprises ! 👍

Probably for making some really good fun for your grand little surprises  .😍

On behalf of all future detector builders karma thanks you too.😉

🖖

Thanks RvPopeye, I think Karma can come in good and bad varieties. It's good to have a bunch of good karma in the bank. Maybe when those kids get older they may run out of good memories, and need to think back of finding treasure...

6 hours ago, Valens Legacy said:

Great reading and nice coin, I also bet that the kids can now use your detector.

Maybe someday you will be able to get the to go over your yard and find some more items.

Good luck and good hunting.

Thank you Valens Legacy. I like the word Legacy in your name. Legacies don't have to be expensive. Sometimes I do stuff to not just finish the task, but to leave something behind for others to find. When I was building a barn last fall, I placed a 2022 nickel on top of each of the footings and wrote the date it was built before setting the poles on top of them. Someday someone will find these and wonder what the story was and wonder who this John Oliver guy was...

My excitement to think this could be a Shallow N error coin was dashed when I stepped back and thought about it... The huge crease in the obverse face probably dented the coin toward the reverse face and that is what created the shallow N... Even without the error, if it were to grade at the poorest grade of G-4, it still holds a premium. 

A year ago on our property I found some old stoneware in our pasture and it turned out to be made prior to 1897. Of all the heavy research I have done in search of places to detect, I have done extensive research on my own property and I have not found any evidence that there was a house on the property, except for the older things that keep showing up/ The first photo is the mark on the bottom of a broken plate. The second photo is some info about Alfred Meakin. The third photo is the mini horses trying to help me find treasure in their pasture. The fourth photo is the "Teamwork" poster.... Two littles trying to use the same little digger.

The first pic is a close-up of the date. At first I thought it was a 1878, but it's a 1872. The second pic is from over two years ago when on April 4th 2021 I seeded my sand driveway with 250 modern zinc cents for my nephews and niece to find with my metal detectors.

So... Two years ago on April 4th, I took 250 modern zinc cents and hid them about an inch deep in our sand driveway for our nephews and niece to find with my metal detectors. The detectors were too big and heavy for them so they just used my smaller pin pointer detectors and a couple of sand scoops. The had a ball for a couple hours and found quite a bit of them. Since then after a rain a couple of the modern cents will surface & I smile thinking back how much fun the kids had that day... Fast forward to tonight, I was walking back from the barn with Jody after doing the evening chores and I looked down and saw a green cent on the ground. When I picked it up, I could see that it was a worn Indian head cent and I told Jody, "Holy smokes, its an Indian head cent". She said "You must have thrown it out there that day you buried the coins for the kids". While still walking back to the house I told her "I wouldn't have thrown an Indian head cent out for them to find". When I got in the house and put it under the magnifying glass, I see that it's a 1872... I looked back at my records and old face book posts and I have never found a 1872 Indian head cent. Could this be that this 151 year old coin has been on the property all this time? Not only is this a 1872 Indian head cent, it is an error coin as well. The error is that it's a "Shallow N FS-901 1872 Indian head cent". Here is the link to the PCGS website that explains the error: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1872-1c-shallow-n-fs-901-rb/404547 I did find some old stoneware last year on the property that was made prior to 1897, so anything is possible.

12 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

I looked up the diameters of those two coins and the $5 gold piece is nominally 0.4 mm in diameter larger than the 5 center.  Apparently (some of) those coin counting machines don't pick up on that small of a difference.

You'd think the Salvation Army money counters, knowing gold coins are occasionally donated, would be wiser than to just put everything through a counting machine, but I guess not.  (Well, what people have told you is simply an hypothesis which can't be proved, but I agree about the plausibility.)  Makes one wonder how many Benjies are deposited as singles.  😏

As far as your good fortune, it appears you put in a lot of hours going through bank rolls, so even small probability events are more likely to occur with lots of time allowing for them to happen.  Same thing occurs with metal detecting.  Also parallel are those (erroneous, if interpreted literally) sayings:  "you make your own luck" and "the more I work at it the luckier I get."

 Thanks GB. I hear you on the luck having a strong relationship to persistence. I like those two quotes you mentioned and I might need to poach them from you.

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

OK, I think I found the real racecar this was patterned after.  See photo and story here.  Other internet search results show the original sold last year for $2.2 million.  Don't get excited, I'm not talking about your toy.  😄

The original was made&raced in 1965.  I suspect your model followed soon after.  Does it have any printing on the bottom side that indicates the manufacturer?

Most of the similar size cars I find detecting that have been in the ground for a while have had their steel axles rusted away.  And if the tires were soft, they've deteriorated away as well.  All those appear to be intact for your find.

Thanks for the info GB. Being I was born in '66 it could be about as old as me then. On the bottom it says Tootsietoy Made in USA. Mario Andretti was my favorite driver when I was growing up. There was a Scottish formula driver named Jackie Stewart that was my second favorite. A.J. Foyt was as arrogant as the day is long so I never cared for him.

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Love the off-center strike as a detecting find.  Back in the day when I was into collecting - I branched off into error coinage collecting as I learned about the 1955 Lincoln Cent Doubled-Die error and some hype surrounding a number of variants of Lincoln Cent doubled-die errors in 1972.  So finding a error coin like that detecting would be one of my bucket listers.  Great saves.

Thank you Chase Goldman, I have a few nice errors, but looking at coins in detail works better for me when its freezing outside  and there is not much else  I feel like doing. I have been saving a lot of RPM errors and lamination errors. I did get a nice 1823 half dollar with an ugly 3 error from a bank. That is is another story though, but the best fifty cents I ever spent.

3 hours ago, Geologyhound said:

Gold is gold.  That’s a gorgeous looking coin.  Are you thinking about grading it?

Thank you Geologyhound! I want to have it graded, but I haven't set up an account with PCGS yet. The design on this year half eagle is incused so it looks better than it would probably grade to. Just guessing it should grade to XF 45 or maybe a little more.

6 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Talk about unusual, finding a gold coin in a modern roll of USA 5 cent 'nickels' -- you might be the only person that's ever happened too.  If there were such a thing as an innately lucky person (my scientific background says a strong 'no' to that), you would qualify.  😁

People have mentioned far more off-topic things here.  A majority of us here are coin collectors in one way or another and we're all treasure hunters.  The finds you've pictured that weren't found MD'ing are treasure in my book.

I think I can date that car by backdoor methods.  Someone might beat me to it as I have to run now.  More later (if necessary).

Thank GB, I do have some really long lucky streaks I guess. I have had my share of bad luck also. I think it has a bunch to do with Karma somehow though. There have been people suggesting that it was probably one of the anonymous donations of a gold coin in a red Salvation Army kettle and it was probably overlooked when sorting the red kettle change. I had my doubts when I first heard this possible reason, but then I started looking up how many gold coins that are anonymously donated every year and I think it's plausible. I did find two different lots of wheat cents from customer wrapped rolls a couple years ago. One group was 747 wheats and a week later I found another 923 wheats. Here is a long video of me opening that second group: 

7 hours ago, Bedrocker said:

Wow! Beautiful coin man.

Thanks Bedrocker. I appreciate that.

5 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Very cool finds, John, well done! You got a square nail so there should be some other older objects waiting to be discovered, maybe now that you cleared some of the newer finds they will reveal themselves. Good Hunting out there!

Thank you. I think the bullet casing was older for a center fire cartridge also. I haven't pinpointed the manufacturer or the date range on it. It measures about 2 1/8" long and has an inside diameter of 1/2" so I think its a .50 caliber. I wanted to rule out a .45-70 because of the diameter and it seems to be to short to be a Sharps. From what I can tell it is a rarer .50-80... The only markings on it are "F 10 87"

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

Agree with others that the cent is rare.  It appears to be a 90% off-center K-8 (the latter being the 12 hour clock position of the obverse's remaining detail -- i.e. centered on 8 of a standard USA clock; the 90% is the amount of planchet area that is blank, and my estimates).

Ebay prices realized may give you an idea of its value, but error collecting is a specialty market, much smaller than standard numismatics (i.e. denomination+date+mintmark+condition colletors) so rarity doesn't lead to comparable value.  Extremely cool find, regardless.  Over the years of searching bank rolls and pocket change I've found one blank planchet and a few ~10% off-center coins, but never anything close to yours.  Given that non-experts should immediately notice how unusual that coin is, it should have been removed from circulation quickly after it was released.  That fact just adds to the difficulty of finding one and emphasizes what an extremely unusual recovery you've made.

Thank you. I didn't want to get in trouble for talking about coin roll hunting on a detecting forum, but in the cold winter months I look through nickel and cent rolls from the bank. A little more than a month ago I found a $5 gold 1911 half eagle coin in a roll of machine wrapped nickels from Loomis. I was over the moon. 

1 hour ago, Rick N. MI said:

Great unusual coin find. I love the toy car and key.

Thanks Rick. The car isn't that old, but it is cool.

6 hours ago, Valens Legacy said:

Nice finds and the off centered penny is collectable and may have a high value to it.

That is very rare that it even got passed to the population with it being that off centered.

Good luck on your next outing.

Thank you. I have found a lesser off center strike in the past while searching through rolls of coins, but this was my first one found while detecting.

11 hours ago, BigSkyGuy said:

Very cool! The key is for a Model T. Very distinctive shape.

Thanks BigSkyGuy. I did some research and saw that this style of key was used for the Model T from 1919 to 1927. The key was made from "nickel silver" until the end of 1925 When it switched to brass in 1926. The little diamond icon under the word FORD on this one means that it was made by the Clum Manufacturing Company. The Model A key was an entirely different design all together. From 1914 to 1919 the only key for the Model T was a removable switch handle on the coil. This switch handle was a 3 piece design from 1914 to 1917 when it was made in the same shape from one piece of steel from 1917 to 1919.

I was detecting in a yard where the house was built in 1890 late last week with the Deus 2 and I found a mix of modern and semi old items, but nothing from when the house was new. I think the coolest find of the day was a modern Memorial cent that was struck about 90% off center:

3 hours ago, Turhan said:

that is amazing looks like you have some experience on deus 2 

thanks for sharing 

and a question how long does the deus 2 main unit's battery last on 2 bars of charge left ?

Thanks Turhan, I have "some" experience, but I am far, far from an expert on the Deus 2. The manual says the main remote control has a complete (total) battery life of 20 hours. I don't know if the battery level indicator is accurate on it or not.

The following link will bring you to the PDF version of the Deus 2 for Dummies book:

 Deus 2 for Dummies book .

Thank you Rattlehead for hosting a place that the file can be found all over the world!

1 hour ago, Capphd said:

Impressive work right there. 

Thanks Capphd! It's kind of sloppy with the white out and spelling mistakes, but there is some good content in it. I would love to know what the weighting of the frequencies is for each of the programs. I have shown the frequency ranges in red from what I could find on the internet, but I am working on a lead from a guy in Russia that although the frequencies he gave for each have not been validated yet, they are as follows:

1 General Frequencies 7.125 / 21 / 37

2 Sensitive Frequencies 7.125 / 21 / 37

3 Sensi FT Frequencies 7.125 / 21 / 37

4 Fast Frequencies 7.125 / 21 / 37

5 Park Frequencies 7 / 13.45 / 21

6 Deep HC Frequencies 4.45 / 13.45

7 Deus Mono Single frequency 16.5

8 Gold Field Frequencies 7.125 / 21 / 37

9 Relic Frequencies 7.59 / 21 

10 Diving Frequencies 4.45 / 13.4

11 Beach Frequencies 7.125 / 21.4

12 Beach Sens Frequencies 7.125 / 21.4 / 37

7 hours ago, Rattlehead said:

Nice job John. I can host the file for you if you’d like. If so, shoot me a PM and I’ll send you my email address.

Thanks Rattlehead for hosting the PDF version of the Deus 2 for Dummies book. That will be nice to send people to a place that they can download the file to their phone. That way they can pull out their phone while they are out in the field detecting and scroll through it pretty easy. The one thing I ask is that although the book is free for anyone, if someone wants to take their appreciation to the next level, they can send me an old coin. They can email me at scubapony@gmail.com to find out where to send the old coin.