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On 4/4/2024 at 6:44 AM, PimentoUK said:

 "Not sure what model the white one is?"

It looks like a First Texas case, I'm thinking it's a Bounty Hunter Discovery 3300.

Thanks, he said it was pretty entry level.

On 4/4/2024 at 2:19 AM, Heavy Metal said:

Hey guyz, and cheers from southern Europe.

Let me tell ya few thingz..

1. one thing is on paper - and the other thing is in real life. - This list on the link listed above is incomplete ( I don't mean the list of countries, but the details ).

2. In most of European country the law about metaldteecting is undefined! That means that is allowed, but under million of circumstances. Undefined depth, undefined history landmark circle, goverment permissions...

3. There are several countries inwish REALLY detecting is forbidden in ALL SITUATIONS, even tha sale or import of detectors are not allowed! And that countries, foreginers should avoid by all means!

4. UK is the best organized country for metaldetecting, and it's safe, ut still you should check all things before planing to go there..

5. There are always situations with curious neighbors, that dont know what are you doing, under the impression, thinking in a bad way, as usually the media spreads nonsense that detectorists are thieves, or jellous collegues detetorists.. or if u have such a bad luck to ran onto some hunting guard or cop with lower IQ or with same thinking under the impression from the media ( stated above ), then you can even get arrested. (Of course, we all know that law enforcement agencies do not have to know the entire law by heart).

6. There are places where there were some roberies happened of some historical site. and over there people hate detectorist, and they live underimpression, that detecorists are thievs, going out with giant caterpillars.. and stole the ancient gold fromRomans, or whatewer..

7. Foreigners in some countries will maybe get license before domestic people, in some other countries no way..

 

So,, it's all about traveling, googleing, and detecting.. and if you do it with passion..  and spend a lot of time in it.. you will probably figure it out!  Bt always, always RESPECT THE LAW!!!

 

Good luck!  aND CHEERS FROMSOUTHERN eUROPE!

 

 

 

Very good information and I have been on your channel for a bit.

Now the real question is will you take any of us detecting with you if we pay our own way and ask real nice 😆

On 4/1/2024 at 9:02 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

It is illegal to simply be in possession of a functioning metal detector in many U.S. National Parks and other locations.

Agency: National Parks, Monuments, Seashores, Forests, and Public Property
Law: Title 36 Parks, Forests, and Public Property

PART 2 RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION
§ 2.1 Preservation of natural, cultural and archeological resources.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, the following is prohibited:
(1) Possessing, destroying, injuring, defacing, removing, digging, or disturbing from its natural state:
(iii) Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, cultural or archeological resources, or the parts thereof.
(iv) A mineral resource or cave formation or the parts thereof.
(3) Tossing, throwing or rolling rocks or other items inside caves or caverns, into valleys, canyons, or caverns, down hillsides or mountainsides, or into thermal features.
(5) Walking on, climbing, entering, ascending, descending, or traversing an archeological or cultural resource, monument, or statue, except in designated areas and under conditions established by the superintendent.
(6) Possessing, destroying, injuring, defacing, removing, digging, or disturbing a structure or its furnishing or fixtures, or other cultural or archeological resources.
(7) Possessing or using a mineral or metal detector, magnetometer, side scan sonar, other metal detecting device, or subbottom profiler.

This paragraph does not apply to:
(i) A device broken down and stored or packed to prevent its use while in park areas.
(ii) Electronic equipment used primarily for the navigation and safe operation of boats and aircraft.
(iii) Mineral or metal detectors, magnetometers, or subbottom profilers used for authorized scientific, mining, or administrative activities.

In many if not most other countries other than the U.S. metal detecting is highly restricted or outright illegal, though there are exceptions.

 

There are entire websites and other resources available for determine laws, rules, and regulations. Some were already linked to here. And if a person has contacts in other countries - ask them. Long story short I find the subject to be rather depressing and so have no desire to have a section of the website dedicated to it. It would be impossible to keep it up to date and accurate. Google is your friend.

Federation of Metal Detector & Archeological Clubs, Inc.

The Federation of Metal Detector and Archaeological Clubs Inc. (FMDAC) was organized in 1984 as a legislative and educational organization and incorporated, as a non-profit, non-commercial, non-partisan organization.

The FMDAC's Mission: The FMDAC is dedicated to the preservation, promotion, and protection for the hobby of recreational metal detecting and prospecting.

The FMDAC's Purpose: To unite, promote and encourage the establishment of metal detecting clubs.  To preserve the sport / hobby of recreational metal detecting and prospecting.  To make available to FMDAC clubs and Independent members information pertaining to the hobby and to keep members informed as to active legislation.

The FMDAC's Goal is to Educate and inform the public as to the merits of recreational metal detecting.

Thanks for all the information. It seems your best bet is to either not bring your detector or keep it broken down in your bag if passing through an area you suspect may be subject to restrictions.

Sadly, many of my EU friends don't know their own laws. And because in the case of Poland, you can do all the right things and still be in trouble i.e. loose definitions of what is a relic

On 3/31/2024 at 8:02 PM, DaveMill said:

Your very best bet is to try out similar detectors that belong to your friend. Try to go on a hunt with him. Metal Detecting is one of those hobbies with a bit of a learning curve, and your experienced friend can help you through that more quickly. You need to sing a detector and see what it's all about.

On 4/1/2024 at 3:46 AM, palzynski said:

Be careful about the detectors weight . Those old detectors have still performing electronics , but the electronics miniaturization has reduced the weights and recent machines can be much more cumfortable to swing than the older ones ..

For example a Whites spectrum weighs 1.6+kg , an Equinox1.3kg and  A Deus2 WS6 800g . Then there is a big difference between them if weight/detecting cumfort  is important for you...

It is something personal , some dont care about weight . Personnaly I do

 

 

 

 

On 4/1/2024 at 2:22 PM, Joe Beechnut OBN said:

I agree on the weight thing. If your younger, say under 50 than weight should not be a issue. Me .. when I got into the hobby I  did a lot of research on the type of hunting I was interested in, from this I made my detector choice. 

I went with the best I could find at the time (2008), I just feel I want to make the best of every moment I'm out.. even if it takes me a little longer to learn. And nothing wrong with the machines you have a opp to buy, but for a few more hundred you can get something modern.

All good suggestions here. The White's may be worth buying if I'm not sure I want to be super serious about the hobby, then I have something of my own. But I will definitely try out detectors my friend owns.

10 hours ago, Northeast said:

Have a look here GS 👍

Looks like 10 posts and 30 days.  

Thanks! Not sure how I missed that.

At what point does private messaging become available for new users? 24 hours after account creation?

6 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Here's some general info:

https://detecthistory.com/metal-detecting-laws-in-different-countries/

Just general guidelines, it's difficult to say what really goes on. Lots of rumors and speculation, some you can do just about whatever you want, others will throw you in jail just to get you to pay to get out. 😵 

It will depend on where you are and who sees you 🤔

Thanks for that link. Unfortunately some dead links, but that's up to the site owner to fix. I feel like countries make it ambiguous or difficult on purpose.

3 minutes ago, mcjtom said:

That's a bit of absurdity - the guy was arrested for using a metal detector!  (as opposed to actually digging out anything, let alone damaging an archaeological site).  I didn't know it was even possible.

Would it be useful to have a section somewhere (perhaps something like a Google Sheet or a Doc where members could keep adding info and links to confirmed and current legal requirements/changes for different places in different countries?

Polish law is so vague a bottle cap could be subject to relic laws.

@mcjtom I think that's a great idea if we could have a dedicated resource, kept up to date with links from countries laws. In the case above, it appears even the guy who was local didn't know the laws. I don't know the specific laws here in the US either.

12 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Welcome from Virginia. 👍

Do you have a detector or are you just starting to think about one? This is the best place to be. 

Thanks for the welcome. Check out my post here: 

I'm thinking it's probably better to buy a newer machine. But I'm curious to hear what people think about this model.

Some interesting information here as well: https://ratuj-zabytki.pl/46_barford_EN.pdf

https://ratuj-zabytki.pl

10 minutes ago, mcjtom said:

I wonder, what do laws in e.g. Poland actually say?  Can one detect anywhere public?  Are beaches off limits?  Can one detect at all, as opposed to finding something of historical value that needs to be, idk, registered/returned?  Is there a 'finders share' law in place?  What happens if say, unlikely, a gold nugget is found on e.g. public land (or some other land)?  Where to look for clarification on this?

The original law regarding Poland states: 

"Art. 109c. on monument protection Searching for hidden or abandoned monuments without a permit or contrary to the conditions of the permit Whoever searches for hidden or abandoned monuments without a permit or contrary to the conditions of the permit, including using all types of electronic and technical devices and diving equipment, shall be subject to a fine, restriction of liberty or imprisonment for up to years 2."

Now if that's still valid, I'm not sure. There was this even from 2019: https://tvn24.pl/katowice/raciborz-zatrzymany-za-nielegalne-poszukiwanie-skarbow-ra930038-ls2296833

He did not know the law and did not have a permit and a local ratted on him to the police. Luckily the area he was in had no known archeological significance.

I think seaside beaches may be ok.

34 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Hi ,

You should read the law of the country where you plan to detect because the laws are very different depending on the country

In France detecting is allowed at the condition you are not looking for archeological artefacts. Of course detecting is forbidden on archeological sites . 

Personally I always ask the authorization to the landowner and I never detect on archeological sites 

 

The laws at times can be ambiguous, Poland for example. You can get all the necessary approvals and still get in quite a lot of trouble because they don't have a specific definition as to what is considered a relic.

Unfortunately I doubt a foreigner can just go up to a landowner and ask.

5 minutes ago, Bedrocker said:

Well brother if you decide on not buying the White's detector then I WILL take it.

I think he's just doing me a solid, I'm not sure he'd let it go that cheap to just anyone.

Hello everyone - new to the hobby here with a particular interest in detecting relics of major conflicts. I've been to Europe several times, and have local contacts in many of the places I've visited. Some detect and some don't.

I know that it is generally quite difficult and bureaucratic to get permission to detect in many European countries, not to mention the many restrictions on areas, types of objects, etc. I'm curious from those who have done it, what countries have you found to be the most amenable and easiest to navigate legally?

Do you find that it's better to do all the legwork yourself? Link up with a local group? Befriend landowners? I'm more than happy to compensate a landowner to look on their property but I doubt many just walk up to their door trying to do so.

And yes, I am aware of the potential physical dangers such as XO as well as the myriad of possible penalties ranging from equipment confiscation, monetary fines and arrest.

Thanks!

Just wanted to say hello to everyone. Completely new to the hobby, living in the Midwest US. Looking forward to learning from all of you!

Hello everyone, completely new to the hobby. I have a friend who has these two detectors he wants to get rid of due for lack of use. Not sure what model the white one is, but the black one is a Whites XLT Spectrum E-Series with waterproof search coil that he's never used. I do know the white color one is a more entry level model per him and he's used it before. He's offering both to me for $200 just because he wants to get rid of them. 

I do have a local friend who has probably a dozen detectors who is willing to let me try his out, but I thought it would be nice to have my own if it's not something I'm going to do on the regular. 

It seems White's is out of business(?) or is serviced by Garret now so I'm not sure how much of a hassle maintenance/repairs would be or if I'm better off just buying something more modern.

Thanks!