Decanfrost

Peter Woodland s modified detectors are amazing.Unfortunately the Biased meter blurs the waters here,as far as the closer you get to the Dealer s and there rep s the more untruth s are spoken.

Jp here in Oz has slowly but surely has also been faced with this many times and now unlike in the past is a little more tight lipped.

He knows where his bread and butter is.

From personal experience and the Gp Extreme i own ,which is fully modded by Peter i will never sell it.I HAd a 4500 and worked and lived in the WA goldfields for 10 years and my Gp Extreme matched and yes beat the 4500 on some occasions.Love the 4500,but not as much as my Extreme.

Anyway im not bagging Minelab just some are truly unable to see past there wallet when it comes to expressing honest proven information.

Peter at Detector mods has found some spectacular gold with his modded machine ,the likes of which almost all on this site will never.However the doubts and criticisms keep flowing.

Again this is not a personal attack on anyone's ability but 30+ ounce nuggets are far between!.

Currently own and run 3 x Minelabs....

Ash

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Recovery speed and iron bias are two different things getting mixed up in one thread.

The instruction manual is just a guide and not the be all and end all when it comes how to run Equinox. Very low recovery speeds will reduce depth in really mineralized ground. Yeah, for moderate to low mineral ground it’s true you can increase depth with lower recovery speeds but in more intense ground it’s just not true. Also, you are going to increase your risk of target masking. If a low recovery speed misses a target at two inches next to trash that a faster recovery speed hits, which is going deeper?

I have been fighting this and fighting this. My next Treasure Talk blog addresses the issue it is so important. If there is one thing I wish Minelab would change in the manual it is to offer more detail on that page. Minelab does allude to it:

“A lower Recovery Speed, for the same swing rate, will increase detection depth, but may increase noise.”

The problem in bad ground is that noise increases faster than depth not only negating the potential for increased depth but in fact making things worse to the point where targets found at higher recovery speeds can be missed. In very bad ground it’s not “may increase noise” but “will increase noise”.

Many people are shooting themselves in the foot by immediately going to lower recovery speeds thinking it automatically gets more depth. And if the area has already been amply hunted with BBS and FBS detectors, it is an error if the first order. BBS/FBS users in particular seem to want to immediately try and turn Multi-IQ into BBS/FBS which gives up one of the major improvements over those technologies - speed. The presets are where they are for a reason!

Now for Nukem in the U.K. lower recovery speed is obviously helping him. That makes sense on sanded in beaches in the U.K. But hunt with me and no way. The U.K. is not the Western U.S. You have to learn the machine for your own ground.

As far as iron bias goes I learned Equinox without it (most people know it was a late addition) and so for now I tend to set it to 0 until I have more time to play around with it. I am not saying that is the right thing to do. Just like recovery speed there are no absolutes and so I have no doubt I am in turn shooting myself in the foot automatically going to zero. The worst case however is I am just dealing with more ferrous falsing than I need to.

I like this post.

Good insight into ,"Although deeper,Noise also will increase (In Mineralized ground),hence lower speed setting  ,noise = greater depth potential (To hear the target).

2 hours ago, Tnsharpshooter said:

Some interesting comments in this thread.

How about a pic.

You see a nail and a clad dime.

Stack of 2x4s is for coil height guide.

Park 2 factory program used with noise cancel.

Left at speed 6 too, just played with iron bias setting.

Sweeping coil over top of stack of 2x4s, you want to detect dime with sweeping direction down barrel of nail.

What does varying iron bias do?

Good luck finding the dime using iron bias 9.

Now as I lower iron bias, I start getting one way swept tone at iron bias 6 setting.

As I approach a 3 setting I start getting 2 way swept tone.

At zero iron bias I get 2 way swept tone and also the longest tone vs all other iron bias settings.

If a person hunts their sites using say iron bias 6 setting.  IMO very possible to leave finds in the ground.  I am not saying to necessarily run a 0 setting either.

Excellent post ,i agree totally.

Also,as for depth at a fairly clean beach regarding recovery ,lower goes deeper.Im now finding im digging with the 800 at the limit of what i want to dig at ,at a public space.Great machine this 800.

Yes ,well written and enjoyable to read.

Ive come to enjoy my Equinox more as time goes own.

My only issue is there is a backlight button to highlight the screen.Just wish it also had backlight keyboard,cant see the buttons.

Look forward to the smaller coil.Hope it s elliptical and open desgn .

Yep interesting read.

On 12/18/2017 at 12:15 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

No disrespect to JP but I was thinking nuggets that large are not a huge challenge for the Equinox. 

I agree with steve.Those nuggets at a bit of depth with some minerilazation is what i want to see ....please.!

I think these type of finds are cool.

I to found one here in Oz ,which i posted awhile back.

They are keepers and make excellent additions to the display cabinet.

Well done Steve.

I wanna stab myself in the neck when i see such things.

Well done to the lucky finder.

My dream is to find a Gold Coin.....Been at it 3 years now.

Excuse me.......! Just found this the other day,

1929 Centenary of Western Australia Medal(Coin)...really BIG!.

These were made in 5 x variations to my knowledge,Gold ,Silver,Bronze(Dutch Gold) Copper and a Lacquered copper patina finish,put out by the Perth Mint.

Absolutely stocked...really big ,heavy and this one BRONZE ,weighting about 33 grams from memory and 4mm thick.

Anyways thought it best to end on a positive as we ve all been there in lean times.

Chin up fellas .

Ps Pic Alongside an Australian 20cent coin for size reference.

Hope you like.

Ash

Glad Steve and Mike sorted it all out.

Seem d to me just mis understandings/translations and also possibly a age thing.

We are all getting older.

Older i get the less i like see hear disputes and the like.Really no need for it.

This Nokta....starting to get me interested.

Wonder if the a new machine will have 8 x AA battery,waterproof  ect?

Also regarding the Equinox.Ive heard that in prospecting mode ,that those 2 x frequencies wont be"MULTI"

I might be wrong hear but thought id get it out there.....Just to get burned..!....

Hi,

Regarding the VLF detectors.Can someone answer for me what constitutes a VLF with good discrimination?.I feel to discriminate that speed is a factor as well.Otherwise no matter how good,if a target is next to iron it will read off a good hit.

The Deus has fast reactivity,so is this now a good discriminator.Between ferrous and non ferrous?. How does this compare to say the Nokta Impact for speed discrimination.

Thanks in advance

Ash

Ive found like so many who own the CTX ,that you will be amazed at how it pulls "Good" targets from trash when going slow and High trash is selected(And Fast Recovery on)My experience has been in this Target separation,even when the Threshold is in a constant Null that a coin like target will give signal.

One of the only draw backs ive found with the CTX are in relation to DD coil not giving any signal from the blade like field it put outs in relation to orientation of target to trash.

Anyway ,my 2nd machine will be this Equinox 800 when they arrive here in Oz.Also wonder on the Mono type coils for now or future given the problem above.However wont be holding my breathe on that one as VLF s need all the help they can get for discrimination/depth so mono s are out for now i suppose!.

Give it to me (-:

If the price is right im keen.Currently got the AT Max on hold because of this new Machine.However i feel this "New" I Q business really isn't far off the same old thing in regard to tweaking the Frequencies.I don't doubt it,s better tuned to hot ground and hope the higher frequencies can hit small gold .Is the coil a DD or a Concentric ???. Would be great if mono style coil as reading signals from all angles improves over certain directions compared to the DD's.

Thanx for the replys and im glad you liked it.Something a little different for me to find.

Yep....CTX Top line way to small.Find it hard to see what mode your in etc etc

Thought it might be a good place to share some pics of finds that dont make it into the other thread of AWESOMENESS.

Found this belt buckle at a Western Australian Ghost town.It s Gold plated.....i think....definitely gold but not solid.Has the words "Swift and Sure" on it with a sea Anchor and some what appear to be  Paddles/Oars.Seems like a Navy style Theme.Has the Martin Patented stamped on it.

Anyways hope you like .....i do.

If you have anything similar ,would love to see.

Ash

Edited this post and added last pic.Found the 1/2 penny to have been shot at some point...something different and also these cool emblems off what i think were trophies.

Thanks for reply Steve.

Yes i know impossible to do a comparison on what has not already hit the market.What about same technology that we already know about that the Equinox is going to be using.That multi frequency,harmonic off the main frequency thingy???.I thought the Fisher CZX is one in the list i was after.As mentioned go easy on me....im not a tech.

I really like this machine .already have a CTX but am in the market for a second.Tossing up between the MAX and OX 600....mmmmmm

I was wondering about this new machine to hit the market and do believe other manufactures are also releasing soon, the same or very similar type of technology.I dont belive it s new.Can we obtain a list of the main players who will be releasing something similar so i may do a comparison.I think Fisher has one but dont think the At Max coming soon is the same.I m asking this as im not 100% tech savy but dont believe Minelab is the first here or by any means the best.In saying that ,this machine looks very sweet indeed.Also last point.In regard to reactivity speed ,where does the AT Max come in.Thanks in advance.

Ash