ColonelDan

What a week you’ve had my friend.  Great job!

👍🏻

You've been a busy boy!!!😁

I'm beginning to think that particular video I saw might have been taken down.  I've searched and searched without success.  I also saw Gary on a recent video state that he was going to make a video focused on Audio Filter so I'm thinking when he does make that one, it will be more extensive than the one I originally saw....but that's just a guess on my part.

2 hours ago, F350Platinum said:

I'm using AF at 5 myself now, and with Bottle Caps at 3 even the Coronas don't fool me. I still pick bottle caps on top as a courtesy, but I'm not digging them lately.

In High Square Audio Filter seems to mix some of the PWM characteristics in, that's about the best description I can offer.

If you use the bone phones you don't get High Square as an option.

Those are the same settings I use on our beaches...AF5, BC3 and Hi Square.  Seems to work well.  I still dig a few just to confirm my thinking and so far, it's worked out...so far.  I say "so far" because I've worked beaches for so long that depending on the type and condition of the bottle cap, they can still fool you.

25 minutes ago, Lodge Scent said:

Interestingly at the end of my hunt this past weekend, for the heck of it I cranked the Audio Filter to 5 and it did quiet the iron down. It was enough to make me want to spend time with the AF setting next time out. I am always a bit cautious when using filters, but the D2 has me thinking differently.

I use AF 5 on our beaches as I want to knock out any and all iron on tourist beaches….except along the treasure coast.

21 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Well that sounds interesting, if you do find it, please post it. Thanks!

 

Will do

CPT,  it wasn’t that one.  It was one where he demonstrated the AF at various levels over several different targets and at level 5, the iron piece was totally gone.

Thanks for looking!  👍🏻

Awhile back I saw a video by Gary Blackwell discussing and demonstrating the new Audio Filter function.  I thought I bookmarked it but apparently I didn't.  Now I can't find it after many searches.  Does anyone out there have the link to that particular video?   If so, I'd very much appreciate it.

Thank you

You're really hitting it!  Good job Captain.....😀

Good job soldier!   😀

My beach programs are always on Tracking.  Works fine where I hunt but It's not universally true for each and every beach.

7 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Once I got bottle caps dialed in to 5 and moved disc up to 10 it was a lot better. Chase and abenson made that suggestion, and I finally did it thanks to them. Air tests weren't good enough.

This beach is a great proving ground for iron balance, if you're not balancing a lot you're going to dig a lot of junk. 75 to 95 is probably a couple to a few points on the TDI scale, not to mention sending iron tones sky high. I probably should use auto track but I don't have any confidence in it at present. Need more beach time.

The one bottle cap was a sight pick, i used it to adjust the setting, and one Corona cap later that I threw in a trash can. The little Hennessy aluminum cap was a 94 🤣

Bottle caps are not created equal.  Corona is the worst for fooling you.  If you zeroed in on 5, you avoided some of those ferrous caps.  It’s the aluminum ones that are a pain.  
I actually notch 0-10 since iron on our tourist beaches are always junk.  
On the treasure coast, I don’t notch anything.  However,  they have dumped 5-8 feet of new sand along the treasure coast!!!  Redefines the term “buried treasure”. 🥴

Your beach was more productive than the Cocoa Beach area this past weekend.  🥴

Your dedication and persistence was rewarded!!!

I never notched out pull tabs...or tried to.... because as we all know they ring up in a similar range as some nice targets.

But I thought I'd experiment with 32 random pull tabs from a variety of manufacturers using Deus V1.0 and V1.1 just out of idle curiosity more than anything.  Had the new update versions changed how pull tabs were identified?  What I confirmed was more or less the obvious...pull tabs, like bottle caps, are not all created equal.  In other words, pull tabs in pristine condition rang up in a range from 61-65 in my tests.  Now keep in mind these pull tabs I used were relatively new.  None were broken or had been in the sand for an extended period of time and the tests I ran were air tests...yes I know...air tests...ugh!

In real salty beach life, pull tabs are found in a wide ranging state of deterioration, age and design, as well as an endless array of parts and pieces.  As a result, I've found their VDI to ring up anywhere from the 50s to the 70s!  Notch out that range at your own risk...regardless of the update version or detector used. 

Now if you want to focus on recently dropped pull tabs, i.e. new ones, you can try notching out 61-65 which will indeed get rid of SOME new ones.  However, a women's 22K ring I brought back from Saudi Arabia after DESERT STORM rang up as a solid 62!!!!  So again, enter that door at your own risk.  Granted, you'll find tens of thousands of pulls tabs for every 22K ring but what other nice gold items of various metallurgical composition will ring up in that same 61-65 range?

In any case, it was an interesting exercise and I enjoy interesting exercises where metal detection and detectors are concerned.

Bottom line for you; the results of this personal lark is worth exactly what you just paid for it...🤣

Excellent report CPT.  I have V1.1 on one of my Deus’ and will install it on the other one soon.

Again, excellent report 

1 hour ago, F350Platinum said:

Thanks Colonel, I'm always willing to take a fresh look at my machine. I think you may be on to something. 🙂

Memorial Day is coming 🇺🇲 ✝️ and after that somber remembrance we need to hit the beaches like Normandy 😀 right now the pickin's are slim.

Florida beaches are very humid today…more so than normal but I got a few hours in to included some verification testing.  I’ll be in touch. 

Glad you, found those settings useful and thanks for giving it a run on a beach other than Florida's east coast. 

I'm still tweaking it based on V1 parameters.  😉

In other words apply the old Army approach,

”Train as you fight.”  😉

36 minutes ago, midalake said:

Your ranges will expand in real conditions. The Deus throws numbers of tabs and gold all over the place. In my location because it is rough, I have lots of tabs missing some metal. These could come in low as 56. Also have had tabs go to 68. One is kidding themselves if they can block out any sort of tabs with the Deus 2 and not miss plenty of gold. 

With the Equinox tabs were a 13-14 for 97% of them, THAT I could live with. The Deus 2 can even come close to this comparison. 

That's exactly what I want to find out with this new V1.0.  Obviously, I'll dig tabs if that range is too erratic like it was in V.71.  I'm always up to exploring new possibilities when the latest version comes out and was hoping XP tightened up that range a bit in V1.0.  I'll find out next time I get a chance to hit the beach.  😉

Carolina,  I saw a different result using 40kHz in Beach Sensitive 11" coil.   I use 24kHz in my Gold Field and Dive Check programs that I installed next to my Notched Beach Sensitive program so I could check anything questionable.

6 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

XP has never really explained what frequency addition means.  So that could definitely affect the FMF frequency spectrum for modes that otherwise "look" identicsl.

However, the beach modes use conductive ground subtraction which makes sense in the beach modes, as salt conductivity is being notched out.  Perhaps Beach Sensitive, in addition to having a higher Max F, has less of a salt "notch" to provide greater sensitivity to small beach gold.

Still surprised they behave that differently.

Dan - Can you be more specific about how you set up the two modes to be identical and what was different about how they behaved?  Specifically, did you set up Beach to emulate Beach Sensitive or vice versa or both.  I know it shouldn't matter if they are identical.

The only adjustable parameter defaults that are different between Beach and Beach Sensitive are Max F (24 and 40 khz, respectively) and Salt sensitivity (9 and 7, respectively), I believe.

Thanks for checking that out, Dan.

 

 

Chase,  I was doing some air tests focused on 23 pull tabs from a variety of cans and manufacturers since I haven't had a chance yet to get to the beach with V1.0.   I wanted to confirm my suspicion that all pull tabs, like bottle caps, are not created equal...which turns out to be the case. 

I set up Beach with a max freq of 40 and salt sensitivity of 7...just as I had in Beach Sensitive which is my primary beach hunting program.  All settings were identical.  What I noticed was a somewhat difference in VDI at times.  The Beach program was a VDI point or two lower than Beach Sensitive...again at times and only with certain, but the very same, pull tabs as I tested using Beach Sensitive without the notch.  In other cases, they were the same VDI.  This led me to suspect that there may be some slight difference between the two programs other than max frequency and salt sensitivity and it most likely depends on the metallurgical composition of that pull tab...perhaps.

Having said that, I readily admit these results are inconclusive right now as air tests have their well known limitations.  In any case, the difference wasn't significant enough to cause concern for my purposes.  I was able to confirm my assumption that pull tabs are indeed different in make up so if I wanted to notch them out, I would have to establish the range from 61 - 65.

I then tested a number of gold, tungsten carbide and stainless steel rings to determine if any of those rang up in that 61-65 range which would then mask the good targets...and they did not.  The closest was the steel ring which rang up in the low 50's.  I'll give up nickels now and then for sure.  So to cover that, I installed a modified gold field and modified dive program,sans notch, next to my notched Beach Sensitive program so I have a check on anything that raises a question as I scan the beach.

More validation of my "theory" is certainly required and on a real salt water beach since as I always try to apply the philosophy of my past life...."train as you fight." In other words, make the training or testing as close to the actual operational environment as possible.

5 hours ago, NCtoad said:

For what it’s worth, I think most of us are assuming that all programs using frequency addition will be exactly the same when the max frequency is set the same in each one and all other settings are the same.  However there may be something different going on with the weighting of the lower frequencies…probably only XP knows this for sure.  I guess if one takes the time to set up , say, park and sensitive to the exact same settings and max frequency and then toggling between the two on various targets, you should be able to tell if they’re the same.  I have to admit I’m not big on setting up test gardens.  I’d much rather learn the machine by hunting with it in the wild.  

You’re right.  I set up Beach Sensitive and Beach exactly the same and tested some targets…they weren’t the same.  It’s the frequency weightings that makes the difference as I see it but what do I know.  Cav Guys we’re never known for their brilliance…especially old ones!  😂

I'm a full time beach hunter and I've used Pitch and Square with the iron volume turned all the way down and a notch from 0-10.  On a tourist beach, any iron to be found is totally junk.  Not so on the treasure coast.  There, I want to hear it all.

In V1.0 I'll use High Square which does change the tone somewhat...I like it.  I have noticed other changes from V.71 too not only in terms of sound but in VDI also.  It will just take some time to learn and get accustom to the new V1.0...totally worth the time and effort....a great update for sure.

54 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

Thanks Colonel! I look forward to your tests, specially since I hope to make it out to Florida's Right Coast before the year is out. 😏

Let me know when you get here and where you’ll be.  Perhaps we can meet on the beach.😉

After a few days of research and some preliminary testing, I now have 4 "beta" programs ready to test on the beach. 

Taking what I've read from XP and this forum from well founded and credible contributors, I did some preliminary testing of various settings.  I now have 4 modified programs that I'll take to our saltwater beaches and tweak as necessary until I find the right combination with which I feel confidently comfortable.

My 4 "beta" programs are based on: Beach Sensitive, Beach, Diving, and Gold Field.  Once tweaked, I'll post my thoughts on each.

Keep in mind, those posts may be worth exactly what you paid for them if blindly applied to your specific situation and particular environment.  😁  As I always say,  Predetermined settings only gets you in the ball park. It's up to you to pick the best seat.  😉 

In summary, I'm very impressed with V1.0's potential, flexibility and enhanced performance.  A modified Beach Sensitive, particularly, promises to be a beast for my kind of hunting.

More later....