Busho

Thanks guys. Virus is kicking back in, thought I was coming good. Hope to get out this week though still. 

5 minutes ago, Northeast said:

Nice gold Busho.   

Evo 15" or smaller?  

The larger lump in the top pic - any idea on weight?  Looks solid.  

Hope you're feeling better soon  👍

Thanks mate. The 12 Evo, wicked little coil. Usually use the 15 but thought it wise being crook and low on fuel, me, to go light. All up just 6 grams. The better bit 2.4. But saying "just" is not being ungrateful for what I got or "wish it was more" but because it could look more as sometimes gold does. I am 100% grateful for every single bit I get no matter how small. And to anyone who finds anything no matter the size, it's a win. You can't and wont take it with you. 😉

Hi guys. Been really sick, still am kind of, recovered about 50%. But came back and saw some notifications. Two can't find. But, I reckon before I got sick I shot off at a member here and may have got it wrong. So, you know who you are and no hard feelings mate, my bad this time. To the Boss, Steve, same, my bad. Still not right though, real bad virus. Haven't felt like this in over 20 yrs. Got fed up of laying around coughing, sweating, nausea so got out. Felt great, kind of, short sessions though and glad to get home. But small wins regardless. 1st pic at the head of a deep lead in the very very last throw outs going up a mountainside. 2nd total virgin ground, very scattered, no rhyme or reason, been there before and it's like "toss a coin" direction you go. 

Good stuff. I lived in Tarna for several years and know it like the back of my hand. Great little place. Shame it's lost it Caravan park/fuel and a couple of its shops. Just a pub and Post office now. Ironbark country, love it. I found a leader there years ago and got several ounces out of it in species that looked exactly, and I mean exactly, like that one. Still have one as keepsake. Wonderful tract of country through there, actually from Inglewood all the way through to Talbot. Ill post a pic of that specie when I find it, given I hang around that is. In 2 minds at present. Well done mate.

That's a pretty cool looking ring actually, and that's coming from someone who doesn't generally like jewelry too. 👍

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Um, why would a person want to detect just 30 foot, let alone 10 foot, away from another? That'd bug me off seriously bad. I once used to go out detecting with a bloke who kept detecting towards me, coming close all the time. Used to! 😁

22 hours ago, Westy27 said:

Thanks Busho,

Yeah I was tossing up on which side to grind the bevel while holding the flappy disk grinder in my hand. Ended up choosing the non-standard side (won't say wrong side because they still work a treat). Lesson learnt for the next round of picks.

I haven't tackled any really hard earth yet so the tip as is is working fine. I'll have to bevel it before heading to any rocky areas. 

Slowly building my faith in them as I swing harder and harder... 

Yeah mate. All picks you buy will have it on the upper side for good reason. Scraping with it that underside will see it bounce over rocks and pull away from you. It actually, not being a smarty but just from years in the game, is actually the wrong side. If you compared the 2 its chalk and cheese. But the craft of your work is very good. Hey mate, we all live and learn, I did and still do. ☺️

On 8/24/2019 at 11:14 AM, garikfox said:

That's impressive, what's your opinion on the 14x9 evo?

I prefer the rounds mate on the GPX's. They go deeper. Full stop. Large round in the more open areas, the smaller in the scrubby stuff. Have not used the 14 x 9. But the 17 didn't impress me so I guess I'd be equally unimpressed by the 14. That's me though, some people love them on the GPXs, I dont. I like them on VLFs for wierd little specie stuff but never have on any of the SDs, GPs, or GPX's. 

They look nicely made mate but you ground the angle on the scraper end on the wrong side. It should be the top side not the underneath. The tips too will want angling on the top side too. Makes digging and scraping so much easier. Google up a walco and you'll see what I mean. 

Bloke I know got one of these things a number of years ago. He tries to deny it if you tell people 😁  Piece of junk. 

Well that was different! Never seen a vid chasing gold under water before. Good stuff mate. 👍

8 hours ago, garikfox said:

I actually cancelled the 17x13 order because i wasn't to sure if that was the best one or the 15"inch evo.

I haven't touched a GPZ7000 yet. I still need to open my GPX5000 box lol. Sept 18 is when im heading out to the fields.

Did a fair bit of time, here in Oz, on the 17 and 15 round on a 5000. 15 round. Amazing coil. Will easily get bits down to 1/20th of a gram. The other day got a beuatiful dipping signal, everything about it indicating a larger, 1/4 oz upwards, bit. Dug down 6 inches. Yep looking good. Bit more and a half gram bit. Near there a wobbler, just audible, almost a ground noise. Scrape off a few inches. Starts to define. Few more 100% positive signal. Few more and a specie with 2 grams of prickly gold spread through it. Great coil, spends 80% of the time on the shaft, the other 20% the 12".

Excellent find mate. 👍

9 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I suspect Busho has more experience with ground tracking that you do Chase and has tried all the options suggested. As he has stated multiple times he is not a newbie. He has offered results and a solution that works for him where he is and that other Oz operators will want to pay attention to. Oz soils in general have a different composition than U.S. soils and so comparing results across continents is somewhat like western U.S. operators comparing recovery speed issues to Florida users results. Apples and oranges and will often confuse more than enlighten.

I do know ground balancing multiple frequencies presents different issues than ground balancing a single frequency and this may be the root of the problem, especially as regards Oz soils. The Multi-IQ tracking may be deficient by Oz standards... that’s my take away from Busho’s post. Curious Busho... have you tried tracking in single frequency modes?

I am only now starting to realize how many people who view posts on the internet tend to grab onto settings of any sort and apply the knowledge as if it’s global in nature when in fact all detector tuning issues are local and differ with the operator and location. A quandary I will have to ponder before posting personal settings going forward.

Hi Steve. Yes have tried single freq and its the same. Its a great machine and I certainly am keeping it. I have tried everything, it is what it is (actually hate that saying but best describes it). Not having, for me, that actual Auto tracking ability doesn't seem to hinder it. Id love it to have an on its own track button/pad though. Funny, in real tame ground, pipe clay tame, it will track some hot rocks diminishing their signal. Some still ping like a metal target but some do track out. So I know in some cases it does track, but the majority of times in bad ground it doesn't. It's saving grace to me is how forgiving it is when it's out. I've had others in the past that are not forgiving, if the EQ was like them I'd be pretty bugged off but it's not so that's ok. Is that "forgiving" when being out of balance part of the issue for not tracking in my situation? A big part of me thinks yes. But anyway, he he, it is what it is. 😁

Hey all, sorry I didnt get back sooner or when I said. Some things came up, family, work that took all my focus away. Kept meaning to get back but thing after thing took all my attention. But, many had given help and info, yep some I took the wrong way, but have not forgotten. Anyway, my EQ. Box, coil, all checked and done. So, like I said have owned a lot so wont bore you all with it all, but will admit im not a know it all. So here it is with the EQ where I am, all checked, box n coil where a I live. 

Tracking here where I am in Central Vic Aus, compared to Gt's, Ft,s, XT,s, Eurekas........ below them all. That's why I was so questioning about the EQ's tracking. In a nut shell, it's tracking here is weak, almost non existent. But! You can get it to. Lets say you are using it, walking about, check the balance by raising/lowering. It's out. Raise and lower it from several inches above the ground to actually bumping the coil on the ground physically, "bang" on the ground. It will now balance using Auto Track Balance. Anything else nothing will happen other than a few number changes. Lets say you check and are in 70! But do a manual bal and it goes to 30! Go back to 70 for trial manually. Now, go into Auto Track bal. Raise and lower the coil but as you lower it actually bang the coil to the ground surface. Now it will balance to the same level as it would have done doing a ground balance but only raising and lowering the coil from several inches above the ground to a couple above it without touching the ground, the same you would have done with every other VLF before this EQ! In our hot ground here in OZ in central Vic, for the last couple of month's, this GB procedure, has proven Spot On. Treating it like all previous VLF non PI's has been a total failure using Auto Track/Auto GB. 

Cheers Guy's.

14 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Busho - agree no worries.  I think the key is that you need to sweep vice pump to get GB to change when in tracking gb which is different than when doing an auto/manual gb.  Ideally, combined with a change in mineralization to trigger the tracking response.  Good luck.

 

Cool mate, all good. Maybe this thing does things a bit different to all the others I've had over the years. Im not quite an old dog yet, but Im still open to learning some new tricks. Next week when Im out I'm gonna treat it different, try all the recommendations from you all and report back. Again, appreciate all the input. 

On 5/25/2019 at 6:28 PM, Chase Goldman said:

I was just attempting to provide some helpful info in my first post and was taken aback at your response which came across like I was somehow wasting your time to a degree.  Sorry you took offense at me pointing that out.  Not something I am used to receiving when I reach out to help someone out on this board.  At least I got three thumbs up from some of the other readers.  Lol.  Anyway, glad my follow up post helped to answer your questions more thoroughly.  My apologies and moving on...

Good luck and I hope you get tracking GB resolved to your satisfaction.

No worries mate. I'll put it down to my end as a misunderstanding due to differences in our ways of communicating in your and my cultures. 

Now, ill start anew. Thanks again and from you're info which I appreciate and others here, I will recheck everything and report back how it all goes. To everyone, much appreciated for the feedback and suggestions, to the Boss Steve too. Lots of bad weather here at present and some work to do, but thanks and Ill let you all know how it goes.

Cheers to you all. As Arnie said "ill be back" 

Apologies for any, well, you know, I'm sure you get it. 

On 5/22/2019 at 12:29 AM, Mark Gillespie said:

Very sad, they made some of the very best audio machines I've ever used.  Very distinctive audio ID.  Loved the Tejon.

They did. They had some really unique tones to some targets. I was surprised when I first tried one. Was getting junk and a few bullets then got a buzz signal, never forget it, thought that's odd and dug up a 3 gram bit. They stagnated though for quite a while, this doesn't surprise me. Actually I thought they had already folded. 

On 5/27/2019 at 9:08 PM, davsgold said:

G'day Trent

I have a reply from the manufacture, "Simon's coil winding is not a bundle or a spiral. She has something in between. It can be called semi spiral"

cheers dave

Hi mate. Where can these coils be purchased from in Aus for the GPX's and can a person go and see one before hand in the field? 

Are there any round versions above 12" in the line up?

And that's why you dont sell you're detector based upon rumours! "Dealer told me its gonna replace the 7000" "Its a new cutting edge gold detector, I got the hush hush news on it straight from the testers I know" "you better sell your detectors boys, your Gpx's and 7's aint gonna be worth much soon" 

Gotta feel sorry though for those who sold some great rigs in anticipation, just for a coin and relic machine. 

2 hours ago, davsgold said:

I have a 12" coil for the GPX and it is flat wound (like the Evo's) I am not sure about the 12x6 of Simons, it was sent direct to him, but I will check with the manufacture.

cheers dave

Ok, thanks. That is again interesting. I know that even though a coil can have the exact same type of wind, that there are different types of litz wire as per strands used. Some more strands, some less. I have used some proto coils in years gone by. Some used more strands, like I said, some less. One I tried was super flighty, but if you got to know it, it outperformed the quieter one. It didn't make the grade as most didn't like it being flightier. But damn, was it a good coil. That was in the standard winds though and as good as it was the flats were better. But before them, it was a much better coil. Love to see in person an Evo vs an X here in Oz. In real conditions, not a test patch. Out and testing responses on undugs. One day perhaps. 

1 hour ago, phrunt said:

Mine tracks fine, our big swings in soil go from a ground balance of 1 to 7 though in Gold mode 1 but I've checked and tracking does indeed change the numbers, I don't pump the coil in tracking I just use it as normal but the numbers do indeed automatically change.   I don't bother using tracking here however, I've just used it to test it, I rarely need to balance anyway.

Ok, thanks for that. Looks like mine has issues. Yours can change from those small variations. I can watch it and walk from pipeclay off onto red clay and swing or pump and nothing budges, may move 1 value. So I hit the track and give it a pump and within a few pumps goes from say 8 to 65. Or it could be from 50 to 4, depending upon what I walked from or too. But on its own tracking wont respond. I have never seen it respond from being in tracking, leaving it showing tracking and swinging it as I detect in a normal detecting fashion. It's off to Minelab then.

Cheers.

1 hour ago, Chase Goldman said:

Yes, mine does well in both the gold and field modes (the primary modes I use relic huning) in heavily mineralized soil, perhaps some of the worst in the US and it has served me well.    If you manually take GB way out of balance and switch into tracking mode, tracking is not going to just snap GB into place, especially if you are just standing still.  First of all Tracking likes Ground Balance to be set near the actual ground phase reading to start and because it responds relatively slowly and it can only trigger on sensed changes in mineralization, it is not going to handle large step changes in mineralization or ground phase well.  Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing mineralization level and changes because the Equinox lacks a mineralization meter and you can't infer mineralization level based on the ground phase reading.  Tracking perhaps can't handle the large swings in ground phase you are describing and is suited to more gradual changes.  If you think tracking is under performing based on the level of ground noise you are experiencing (in other words, you are sure it is doing no better than a single point ground balance and ground phase variations are within reason), a hardware problem is not out of the question and perhaps a call to minelab support is in order.  Anyway, it appears based on your tone, I have somehow struck a nerve with my previous response so I am going to disengage at this point.   Hope you get a satisfactory resolution.

No mate, there was no tone at all. I just was seeking an answer which you just gave now, but didnt in your first response. So I clarified my question and repeated it. You have placed a false construct upon my second post based upon your realisation that you had not answered my initial question. It's you who are exhibiting a "tone" as you put it. Have a good day and thanks for your time.

1 hour ago, Chase Goldman said:

Tracking ground balance by it's nature responds relatively slowly to changes in ground phase (otherwise it would trigger on ferrous targets and/or cause enough variations in the balance setting that it would also contribute to ground noise).  Typically tracking ground balance works best when there are large variations in mineralization which is also the greatest (but not only) contributor to ground phase reading.  Most GB tracking schemes do not work well when the variations in mineralization are small and the change in ground phase reading is due to other constituents in the soil.  Without a mineralization change there is nothing to trigger the ground phase reading by the tracking "circuit".  That is why Tracking should not be used in low mineralized soil with high variations in ground phase or at sites with a high density of discrete ferrous targets.  Equinox does a great job of compensating for a less than ideal ground phase as the multifrequency scheme allows some compensation/cancellation of ground effects, but that can only get you so far if your ground phase is changing significantly.  The way that manifests itself is by audibly detecting ground noise (with discrimination off).  If you are hearing a lot of ground noise with a fixed ground phase reference (established by manual or auto pumping GB) or even in tracking.  Then you should probably do an auto or manual GB.  Otherwise, don't get too caught up in the ground phase numbers.  Note also, that the different multi frequency spectra used for each of the different search profile modes will often result in different ground readings for the same patch of ground which is why you should ground balance each mode you use separately.  If you are switching modes, and notice a SIGNIFICANT change in your original GB number while in tracking make sure of two things:  First, make sure you are indeed in tracking GB and have not just done a single point auto GB and second, make sure that each mode you are using has been GB initially to set a good starting point for the tracking algorithm.

What mode(s) were you using, BTW?

Hi mate. Ill start again.

Just to give some history. Im not a newbie and started out with a Garrett groundhog decades ago. Owned every minelab auto tracker ever made.

Ok. Im in gold mode. No matter what I do, and yep the icon is on, like above, I can manually change the gb way out so that the detector howls from being out of balance but tracking dont budge and when it does its by just a few number. With the "tracking" icon showing. But if I hit the balance button, hold it, pump it, then it goes into balance. And yes I have tried the 2 frequencies and yes see that for each they can balance on a different value. But like in my first post its not the numbers, it's the detector audibly not in balance. I don't care what numbers show, I want a balance and Auto track does not deliver.  Do you get where I'm coming from. This is the worst so called auto tracking I have ever owned from minelab. Nothing in the past Gt, Ft, Xt, Gold Striker.......Eureka, Terra has been this weak at Auto Tracking. Is this a weakness of the EQX or an issue with mine? 

You'll notice in my first post I said I can take it way out of balance, so it is in essence now a huge ground difference, just like you said it needs to be to notice. You will see I said it doesn't notice or respond to it.

Just in case, yes I have lowered sens, upped it, lowered sweep speed, messed with every option it has. Nothing changes it. 

Like I asked in the OP, does yours track in auto track mode.

Sorry for any spelling grammar errors, I tried to fix them but it got worse pasting things all over the place.