Skull diver

15 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

I don't hear much noise at all when the coil is shallow with water rushing over it, and none in the water. Could any of your diving gear be causing an issue? My settings are a bit bump sensitive since V2, but the tones are not as loud as a find.

I solved the noise in P12 discovering that audio filter over 3 was causing the saltwater signal to be amplified/elongated (so easy to confuse with a target but painful continuous).

Here I'm just noticing that other programs hits harder on gold almost at twice the depth.

It might be a visual impression, someone says, but even if the fact of a super amplified signal do the magic, I see a ring to sound almost near to the remote (on my Anderson dive shaft this is like 40cm🧐)

Note to self (I use a 9" coil) 

4 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Goldfield is a least using simultaneous multi frequency FMF tech so it might run a little better than the Mono program on dry/damp sand with some adjustments.

Yeah...I just air tested some jewels with the goldfield program after the Update and I found it amazing.A real shame it can't be used on saltwater saturated sand.

I even tried underwater to hear the result but changed immediately to another personal program💀

4 hours ago, Joe Beechnut OBN said:

..the cart is the best thing I have used to make my hunting trips easier.

I tried to build a similar thing withstainless steel and six antipuncture tyres to avoid sinking in the sand.Unluckily there's no other way than to to use sand wheels with air chamber and low pressure.I'll try to modify the setup or maybe I'll buy the damn electric snorkel🤣

47 minutes ago, midalake said:

why you are surprised or disappointed? 

Well, on obvious/commons/decently sized targets any program can do the work with good depth.

It is really different on thin/broken/small bits of chains/bracelets or rings.

Just try any piece of tiny gold with an air test in mono and P12 after...You'll realize what I mean.

I'm searching the same spot since a month ago, exactly the same place where I found a few pieces.

Today, for the sixth time I found another crucifix just pushing the settings to a limit.

There must be a way to use the full damn power available.

Difficult to explain but 90 sens. In a program, it is not the same in another.

By the way, that's just my 2 cents.

12 minutes ago, midalake said:

Just to be clear. In depth testing on fringe targets we did not find Beach Pitch superior to another beach program.  

Exactly! Beach Pitch is just a copy of P12 (and P12 is the program I use a bit modified).

Here I'm comparing The Mono program with P12.

Problem is...The same of almost all of other programs.

Unusable underwater in saltwater. 

6 hours ago, Sinclair said:

Nice finds!

I use Audio Filter 1-2, too + Square. Sounds very Minelabbish 😄
Audio Response does A LOT to the perceived depth, imho. I usually keep it at 5.
I'd try to keep the Reactivity as low as possible. Maybe try lowering Salt Sens to keep the machine from falsing, instead of lowering the Reactivity. We had a big storm last week, which unveiled a lot of old stuff and miles of stone/pebbled areas.. machine-gun-like detecting with a lot of mixed/falsing signals. I've played around with the Reactivity and for my feelings, the machine behaves completely different with settings >=2. The signals get very short + quiet, so you really have to listen very carefully. Minelabs Recovery Speed behaves somewhat different.. Didn't try different tone options, though. I usually run Square, 5-Tones, no notches.

I managed to use salt sens on 9 wothout falsing and with high sensitivity of 95, but the key is to use pitch.I even use treshold cause sometimes the audio disappears and without a reason.So I keep the treshold as a control tone to avoid missing signals cause I don't look at the screen.Really high discrimination too, cause I found nothing under the 30ish to be worth the effort to dig.Also, try to put the shift on 6 when in 40Khz and let me know.

(I suppose you hunt with submerged coil however)

1 minute ago, Sinclair said:

There are at least two parameters, which can't be the same 😉

Salt Sens defaults to 7 - try to change it to 9. Under G.B. change Magnetic to accept - maybe have a play with Tracking, keep B.Cap Rejection disabled, use a slow Reactivity <=1.

Probably won't double the depth, but definitely change something.

Sens 92 or more (no noise)

Salt sens on 9

Magnetic accept

Tracking on

Reactivity 2.0 otherwise saltwater falsing is crazy

I barely managed to reduce noise just keeping audio filter at 1 

What I know is for sure a different program matrix but how detuned is the beach set of p10/11/12 ? 😑

I'm not complaining at all about the instrument as it work as it should but what am I missing if the actual setting found me this with half depth power?

It's hard to talk about a virgin spot today, but apparently you're in one of those places where some god keeps away men with shovels and detectors 😂

As sarcastic or offensive as it may sound from the title, I open this post with the intention of clarifying this concept obscure to me...

I recently tried using the mono program, because in addition to the threshold I can't do without and the pitch tone that underwater is ideal and easier to hear...Result? Definitely too noisy to last long, even from 14kHz down to shift 0.

Now, going back to beach sensitive with the same setting on all program parameters, the detection depth is about half on targets like rings or weak conductors.

I ask you what you think about this?

1 hour ago, Compass said:

By "electric" I assume you mean an electric air compressor? Sounds like a great option. Look forward to hearing more.

Yes, I have been observing several hunters with Blu3 systems for some time, but also someone in Eastern Europe with the z270 (whose manufacturer is still unknown).

Battery life is the sore point so months ago I decided to slim down the cylinders I use, losing at least 15kg of weight on the harness but getting similar bottom time of 1.5 hours 🧐.

But...Less than three hours for a decent seabed assessment and research is nothing.

So the end of the story will force me to create a bigger or higher amps battery to last more without to leave and change/recharge/return in the same day.

I have to admit, at the age of 40 my body is starting to tolerate badly all the weight I have carried on my back over the years.

As much as scuba sessions are and remain what I prefer as far as standards of safety and effectiveness during research, yesterday morning I chose after four dives and a fifth non-productive one this month, to carry only a snorkel as my air source.

The result was significant precisely because of my return to a spot where there was apparently not much left to pull out.

With a stay of about three and a half hours before the wetsuit turned icy, I brought a few pieces with me in spite of the appearance of the bottom being battered by other hunters.

I am slowly succumbing to the 'idea of an electric breathing system, not only in terms of weight in carrying, but precisely because of the distance from the bottom that generates great difficulty in retrieving the target just with a dry snorkel.

The predominantly rocky coastline in my area makes a scoop and standing search a nightmare.

So this is what I found ✨

Without a doubt, switching from a 13" to a 9" represents an improvement in maneuverability if you search the water.

And personally I really have no justification for a smaller diameter other than to get in between rocks without bumping.

Reducing further I think brings even less depth at that point.... Absolutely to be avoided at the beach.

Really nice pieces!

I love the chain and the massive crucifix 😀

4 hours ago, Metal Detecting Stuff said:

That would be funny. We dug several caches years ago using the Garrett TreasureHound coil. We didn’t dig any deeper than 3 feet because it would have been hard to bury them deeper. 

This justifies the effort👌

I'm probably not the right user for this kind of research, but having often been involved in testing other similar equipment, I've always wondered how one could tackle such an excavation without killing oneself.

I mean without an excavator or a team of people shoveling it's almost meaningless to trace signals and wait hours before understanding what it is.

Once a guy in the backyard had dug sinkholes with only a shovel and all that came up were oil drums.

His wife's face told the whole story😂

The 6" is a tool for sure...Never again without it even if on my old Ctx.

Right, sometimes the spot under your nose produces better than the hidden one you think is your secret🫢

Nice!

9 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Beach Sensitive would be my choice

It is exactly the one that I use with lot of mods to keep it quiet underwater.

37 minutes ago, midalake said:

Chains are a big part of my finds where I hunt. I would not be willing to do a program trade that has difficulty with chains. 

Although necklaces are a rare thing in my area, I have found P12 to be the only fairly sensitive choice for broken bracelets and rings.
I must say that the modifications to be able to use it submerged in saltwater were not few, and the behavior often changes from area to area.

Update after home first test:

There might be an advantage to using relic mode if one were intent on lowering audio interference from salinity even using a maximum of 40kHz on shift 6, but beware, as Gary rightly explains immediately in the video, Relic promotes a fair depth of larger or better conductive objects, not weak conductors.
Testing a broken gold bracelet of as much as 7 grams in the air, I noticed no greater depth, in fact, less signal strength (exactly what is expected of this program)...

Consequently goldfield is the program that instead maximally amplifies the weak signals typically from gold objects and nuggets, to such an extent that it cannot be used in salt water or on wetsand, due again, to salt hypersensitivity💀

So the land in between still remains the Beach sensitive program slightly detuned 😉

3 hours ago, midalake said:

Any thoughts or advantages to using the Relic Program???  Why, what is better? 

I found no better way than to listen to Gary to evaluate this option.

Based on my experience, what might help in saltwater in relic mode might be less audio responsiveness on less conductive or small targets...A nonsense if you think of something like a very thin gold broken ring or bracelet, but not entirely.

There's a good tradeoff of stability and depth to be found, but also responsiveness to the small target...And according to what gary explains, it's not exactly the best option, except for more depth...

If there is one thing I deeply hate, it is mingling with the crowds invading the beach when with the harness I have to reach the hot area avoiding unnecessary wasting of time with questions I have answered hundreds of times.

Now, to paint the picture in detail, imagine something like 81F in the shadow, in October, on a Sunday and the people like flies everywhere along the coast.

This time, however, I had to give in to temptation and return to the spot where until Friday I had been scouting about 14 grams🧐...

Having to keep away from the vicinity of the sandbar and fu##ng people swimming over my head, I lost at least 3/4 of the available air in the cylinder when on the way back leaving the beach, with now 20 atmospheres remaining, a perfect 40 interrupted me...

As usual the camera died I don't know how much time before the almost two hours I've been downthere.🤬

So this is what remains about today🏴‍☠️

Finally, two decent sessions with Deus2 and Ctx, in about 4 hours on the bottom.

Maybe the first productive week after a long period without the magical color.

Of course, the camera battery was dead😑

On 10/12/2023 at 12:37 PM, Tony said:

"The less I find, the harder I work and the more I find."

Right...In my area, the less gold I find, the harder I work and more competitors looking for  gold I find😀