Gold Ryder

4 hours ago, dig4gold said:

A lot comes down to the operator too & conditions on the day. Some days the stars, moon & the universe all come into line. That doesn't happen very often & you just need to be in the right place at the right time. The universe works in mysterious ways & sometimes just for a select few. That may explain why a few seem to get quite a bit more gold than others. 

D4G 

Reese Is a gold detecting wizard no doubt. 

21 hours ago, phrunt said:

I wonder why you were only finding big nuggets with the stock coil? For me it's been very sensitive and easily finding 0.03 of a gram nuggets and similar more often than any others.

Maybe your stock coil is one of the many duds.

Part way through the season I through a rock on my coil. Got a new coil from Minelab on warranty.  So plenty of experience with two stock coils. Doesnt hold a candle to the 12x7 for sensitivity especially when the EMI kicks up in the afternoon.  

The 12x7 continues to shine. This was a few days ago.  Today I found a few more,  one was .027 and I hit a 1/4 gramer at over 10" deep in rock layers that sounded alot bigger than it was. Last year I commented how I was only finding bigger nuggets with the stock coil and thought I was missing the crumbs in our claims. The 12x7 is proving that was the case.  This coil impresses me everyday I use it. 

6 hours ago, phrunt said:

Do you have the Coiltek 10x5? I'd like to know how it compares with small gold sensitivity vs the 10x5", I guess physics means the 10x5" will be more sensitive unless NF have worked some magic.

Great work on the nuggets Gold Ryder, very nice and deep too.

Reese had it and didnt like it and sold it. I have never swung it.  I pulled a .026 at several inches with the exceed this spring.   Im really looking forward to the bigger coil coming out. We have alot of ground that needs surface prosecuted. Hopefully its as smooth running as the 12x7. 

Cant wait for the 16"x10"  Ive had tge 12x7 since January and its a game changer on my 6000. Just ready for more depth with tge bigger coil

Gold Seeker Adventures of course

Haha!  Nice... You made me famous.  Boy its true the camera adds a few pounds lol. It had nothing to do with a winter trapped inside with nothing to do but eat 🤣🤣.  Ohh well digging at the claims should tune me up a bit. 

Is weed legal in OZ or am I missing something?🤣🤣🤣

Put the 11" Minelab back on after running the NF 12x7" for the last couple of months,  to run over some nugget patches I found with the NF.  Right away I wished I had the NF back on.  It is so smooth and stable compared the the stock 11" .   I found nothing else in the patches.  And hunted around the rest of the day with it.  No gold.  A few pieces of small iron trash and a couple birdshot is all.  One thing I noticed on the stock coil is the lead shot is definitely louder on the 12x7 and the little wire and iron is ALOT louder on the stock coil 11".   I moved settings on the stock coil all day trying to get it tuned in and settle down a little since my ears have gotten so used to the 12x7".  Finally just settled in to the noise all the while wishing I had the NF on.   After today I dont see the stock coil going back on much and am definitely looking forward to NFs release of the bigger version.   

On 3/26/2023 at 1:04 PM, Doc said:

What makes your AM FM radio pick up a broadcast signal and not transmit something back to the radio station?  You're listening to Janis Joplin on your radio, but the radio station is receiving the Beatles coming back from your radio through their microphone???

What makes your cell phone cause static on your AM FM radio if you put it close by, but the radio does not interfere with the phone?

Why can't you aim your metal detector coil at a passing plane overhead sweep back and forth and detect the metal in the airplane?

So many questions, so much magic. 🤣

Doc

Ha!  Yeah I should probably stop thinking about it too hard and just work  on beating my 257  nuggets of last year and concentrate on my 500 nugget goal this year.   

7 hours ago, Reg Wilson said:

The three spoked one at the top is the one that I have. Worked really well on a 4000

Reg what settings are you running the trash can lid in? 

Killing it buddy!  Great video

Ill have to read it. Im curious as to what makes the detectors pick up a plane signal and not emit back. 

Chase- Just read your post.  Thanks for that.   

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

FAA? Airline communications? No. Absolutely not. It’s an actually impossible. As is any talk of metal detectors exceeding some kind of power transmission limits in the U.S. That’s always been a myth. Your “connected source” just lost all credibility and can be safely ignored in the future.

And delay? What delay? How can a detector that has never been announced and exists merely as rumors be delayed?

I’m not trying to jump down your throat at all. I’m just trying to stop misinformation being spread via these forums. I do agree however that any focus by Minelab with a new gold machine needs to be on depth attained on multi ounce nuggets, not the small bits.

Haha I should of said Kinda reputable but that being said.  We can hear them everytime they pass over with our machines as they are. So debunk the myth and explain why their is no effect on their systems.   I havent had the chance to be told why not.   And yeah If I was betting it will be a deep machine.   I have no doubt one is coming eventually the sales and technology have to go on. 

Ive heard some talk as to why the delay in release of the 8000 and it had to do with the FAA and disruption of airline travel comms mostly from the US regulations I think.   It a came from a fairly connected source.  That makes my brain think they are striving for depth well beyond the 7000. Why bother with small gold in the shallows when the 6000 has that more than covered.  All though it would be great to get the bits past the 6000 capability too.  My money is on more sensitivity at depth, because really isnt that where every generation of detector leaves off?  For me I want a mining and prospecting machine for our claims that will go deep real deep.  But I suppose thats a little narrowly focused  for the masses.  

24 minutes ago, Goldseeker5000 said:

Way to go Jamie! That is the type of listening I explained to you all through the summer with the 6000. You will be hitting some good gold this season. Congratulations buddy. 

Thanks buddy, couldn't have got here without you.  The true tiny whispers on this machine are hard to teach and it took me time to finally hear them. I know we found alot of gold with the 11" but this coil is gonna be a game changer on the claims this summer. I know I left small gold in my tailing piles. Especially in the afternoons when the EMI cranked up on the 11". That is when this coil is gonna really shine. 

33 minutes ago, phrunt said:

0.026 at 4" is quite the achievement.

I just heard one little blip. So I decided to scrape it. Took off the top layer of prairie moss and grass and got a repeatable. Couple more inches it was out and in the scoop. We are in the middle of frost thaw in that elevation in Montana. Had to swirl the mud around on my finger tips to see it.  This coil is a beast on small gold.   

Canned fish and protein bars are my staple out digging and hunting. 

2 hours ago, Gerry in Idaho said:

Discrimination is very important in certain areas and without it, you're left wasting energy and time digging trash.

I'll pay for discrimination and lighter weight.

Knowing how and when to use it is key.

In my humble opinion if your not digging every target your missing gold, wether it discriminates or not.   Ive had machines tell me it was iron and trash and it turned into a nugget. I dont know too many full time pros who would say otherwise either.  Trash is just part of it. One of first things I was told by a very very successful detectorists who has traveled the world for 40 plus years and pulled thousands of ounces with a detector.   

Avantee Torus are the way to fly. 

7 hours ago, Doc said:

Gold Ryder,

No doubt the GPX6000 has become a very popular machine and those using it are really happy with it.  However die-hard GPZ7000 users like their GPZ7000's.  The ones that have abandoned their GPZ7000's for the GPX6000's have told me they did it because they are willing to sacrifice a bit of performance for a lighter weight machine.  But let's not forget, the GPX6000 is a pulse induction machine.  The GPZ7000 is NOT a pulse induction machine.  It's a different kind of machine.

So if the people who have abandoned their GPZ7000 for the GPX6000 recognize that there is a performance difference, but the weight was a determining factor.  I am assuming that if the GPZ7000 was as lite as the GPX6000 they would not have changed machines.

I also know of my customers who have a GPZ7000 who purchased a GPX6000 and used it, and ended up selling the GPX6000 because they wanted the performance of the GPZ, and the difference in weight did not outweigh the performance issue.  So it's a matter of what an individual values the most.

So that is what forms my opinion that a lighter GPZ machine would appeal to some detectorists.

Doc
 

I realize all that.  But limitations this far to the 6000 have been stability and sensitivity.   As 1 of the first and few who have gotten the NF exceed in the US.  I can tell you its an equalizer.   Like I said when the bigger coils come out snd if they are this stabile and sensitive. The 7000 outside of real difficult ground is gonna not have much of advantage if it all.  My point being the 8000 even if its only attribute is weight is not going to be worthy of the price tag.  My guess is from some of the info from some inside sources is that minelab realizes this and its gonna punch deep real deep.  In fact one of the limiting factors is the FAA is the hold up because of disruption in Airline coms. 

16 hours ago, Doc said:

Steve, Minelab makes mine sweeping metal detectors with Ground Penetrating Radar.  They make the Pro-Find 35 pinpointer with discrimination, and you're saying adding discrimination is beyond their capabilities?  Funny!  They had discrimination in the SD2200 all the way through every iteration of pulse induction up to and including the GPX5000.

And while Minelab techs are amazing, they don't think of everything.  Again for years and years I have asked the simple question regarding the lower rods for the SD2100 through the GPX5000 vs. the Excalibur.  Drill the same holes put the button in the same place.  This isn't rocket science.

The lower rod is EXACTLY the same with the SD/GP/GPX series and with the Excalibur, with one small difference, on the lower rods for the pulse induction machine the length adjustment button is on the bottom of the lower rod, to match the adjustment holes in the upper rod.  On the Excalibur the adjustment button is on the side and the adjustment holes are on the side of the upper rod.

So instead of drilling the holes on the Excalibur on the bottom of the upper rod, like the PI machines they continue to drill it on the side.  This means a dealer has to carry two different lower rods, the only difference being that the button is in a different place.  First thing I have to do with Excal lower rods is put a bright orange sticker on them so I don't mistakenly send the wrong rod out to a customer who is looking for a lower rod for a PI machine.

So while Minelab techs are smacking their hands to their foreheads, maybe they could rectify some of the smaller things. 

Do you think it was a hand to forehead moment when someone said, "Oh boy...

"Because the detector is generally used in an outdoor, open environment, the speaker plays the audio with a high volume to account for wind and other ambient noises. Due to the highly sensitive nature of the GPX6000, in some circumstances the speaker itself may introduce detector noise that sounds like interference."

That's from Minelab's own website.  If a speaker introduces detector noise, that sounds like interference.  ISN'T THAT INTERFERENCE?  What is this a riddle?  "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound?"  

"If there is detector noise in the sound of your detector caused by anything other than the internal speaker it's interference.  If the noise in the detector is caused by the speaker it's not interference, IT's JUST  DAMN ANNOYING." 

Remember my original post was my musing about what it would take to interest people in a GPZ8000, my contention is it would have to be lighter and if they would add in discrimination that would be a plus.  It's what customers want that sells machines.  While there is no competition for the GPZ7000 as Phrunt pointed out, that's not the point.  The point is that those who wanted a GPZ7000 already have one and sales have peaked long ago.  I have had mine such day 1, but what would it take for me to give it up and buy a new machine?  Minelab is looking for new sales.  They know that there are a group of early adopters out there that prospecting is their passion and if Minelab makes it, those folks will buy it.

I would estimate, that 75% of current GPZ7000 owners would but a new version GPZ machine providing it had features such as being lite and had discrimination, any other enhancements would only increase that percentage.  Then again I am looking at what I would want.  I'm almost 74.  Six titanium pins in my hips, one joint in my elbow removed, torn rotator cuff repaired, Cervical degenerative joint disease, 5 level cervical nerves surgically cut to relieve pain... so something lighter would be a real selling point for me.

I mean it's like the bass fisherman that has the best rod and reel money can buy, and it's his/her passion.  They enter every bass fishing tournament, they have the best of everything.  Do you think they can resist the next best innovation that comes along in a rod and reel?

All these old detectors come with rods.  Does that keep people from buying carbon fiber replacement rods?  NOPE.  They buy them because they are lighter, or maybe because they are longer, or have more adjustment holes, or maybe just because they look cool.  Minelab might miss a few things, but not many.  However, one thing I think they do have dialed in is the buying cycles of their consumers for the different markets.

My gut says, a newer GPZ is on the horizon, if not later this year, certainly by next.

I heard a conversation at a dealer conference in which a Metal Detector with GPR was being discussed with one of the higher ups at Minelab.  The question was whether that would ever be available for the hobby market, especially for relic hunting.  These were two dealers who were speaking with the Minelab exec.  The Minelab exec said, "I doubt it.  It would have to have a price tag of around $20,000."  The dealers said, "We have customers who would gladly pay that."  The Minelab exec, looked surprised and said, "Really?"  But I could see the wheels start to grind.  So you never know what Minelab will surprise us with next.

Doc

Doc- Nugget Finder is on to something with these new coils for the 6000.  If the bigger coil supposedly incoming is as sensitive, quiet and smooth as this 12x7. Id be hard pressed with as light as the 6000 is to feel like buying what will probably be a +$10,000 machine soley based on weight.   I am getting the tiniest of nuggets now and good depth on bigger targets.    So a GPZ 8000 in my book better blow the 6000 and 7000 out of the water on depth and have some discrimination control above and beyond the 7000. Otherwise why bother except to pound your chest and say "Ive got the newest technology".   

4 hours ago, Gold Catcher said:

I just wish the NF 12 x 7 would be available somewhere in the US for purchase anytime soon. BTW, I never understood why so many AU shops will not ship to the US.

GC

   I got mine from Chris at Arizona outback and Reese got his from Rob.  There should be a new batch in anytime now.    You might want to call Rob at Robs detectors or Chris and get your name on the list for new batch.