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I hunt a lot of iron infested sites, and the 10 setting range of the IF is more than enough for me. Even a 5 setting range would be enough for me.

The 5 stability settings for the IF, is fine tuning for the IF. I just leave it at the default of 3 and forget about it. I see no need for fine tuning of the IF, when the IF already has plenty of range, and both subtle and major differences within that 10 setting range.
 

I would post the question on their Facebook page. If the track existed, there's a good chance they will know about it, or at least point you in the right direction to find the exact location.

What about this historical society:

Home | NPCHS - Museum (nezpercecountymuseum.com)


They have a Facebook page as well.

6 minutes ago, Lost Scout said:

Digital? What's digital? 😂 Town of about eight hundred. Logging and ranching. No museum but the old railroad depot has a few pictures. Most of the info I have is from the old guys that I bought a drink for at the bar. 

So, intoxicated old men telling you what you want to hear for free drinks 😁

Is there a historical society in your city? It was through my city's historical society, that I was made aware of the original site of a very old trading post and fort.

A local historical society or museum, may also have a digital archive that can be searched by keyword. My local museum has a digital archive, and the pictures are often accompanied by the exact location.



 

52 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Opening windows on a computer screen was an idea from Apple copied a little later by Microsoft for example . Who remember this ?

 

Steve Jobs got the computer GUI and mouse idea from Zerox. Zerox might have gotten them from a researcher at Standford University named Douglas Engelbart 🙂

I skimmed through the video, and it looks like I might have gotten it close to right, when I predicted it would have user adjustable SMF weighting from 1 to 100 KHz.  Although I kind of question if such a feature would have much tangible benefit, considering current SMF detectors have different weighted SMF modes that seem to suffice.

It also looks like it might show a target response graph for particular frequencies. Is that not what the V3i did? If so, could that be helpful in discerning aluminum from gold? I'm guessing not though, because if such a feature could help accomplish that, then it would still be in use today.

Hi Rob,

Did you check your Junk / Spam folders? 

 

I don't have any problem with the buttons in the daytime, because it was easy enough to quickly learn what each button does. Especially given the placement of the buttons.

My problem with the buttons is when I'm night hunting in pitch black, on cold nights, and wearing thick gloves. That's the only reason why I painted the button logos white.

4 hours ago, phrunt said:

Today, I was using my Algoforce in pinpoint mode, detecting coins in a rather junky area, using the Pinpoint mode as if it were normal detecting mode, swinging slowly it felt much like swinging a VLF only with far more accurate ID's, sure I had to "retune" the pinpoint on clean ground every once in a while when it went out, to keep it in check, but, what if this became the normal mode of a PI, this non-motion pinpoint maybe a thing of the past with fast processing power, the Algo can certainly run in pinpoint mode and cover ground and detect targets and ID them well, although I'm in mild soil and swinging a little slower than I would with a VLF, but what if... processing was so fast with modern CPU's that a PI could run a motion Target ID and have it as accurate as the Algoforce in non-motion pinpoint mode, the raw depth of a PI, I think combine the Algoforce Target ID with the GPX iron discrimination using DD coils and you may have a weapon for coin, relic and jewellery hunters, maybe PI technology isn't dead yet.

That "far more accurate ID's" part, is intriguing.

The new Quest "Hyper IQ" detectors, use a Cortex-M7 STM32H750 controller. Other SMF detectors would likely use the same, or a similar controller...and the "Hyper IQ" is likely Multi-IQ, or a slight modification of it.

The speed of that controller is a measly 480 MHz. Yet, that is enough speed to run a modern SMF detector. It probably doesn't even use nearly that speed. Rather, that controller is probably used because it's about the cheapest controller that can be purchased ($3 to 6$ US).

I suspect PI would use a similar controller. But even if PI needed a better performing controller, it would cost very little for the manufacturer to purchase.
 

Note that the Score models use Legend hardware. The buttons are of the same design as well. Yet, the score models have marked buttons.

 

2 hours ago, RobNC said:

Any time the coil comes into contact with something (small brush/ tall weeds) or when I sit it down to dig a target it flases/chirps. 

That's most likely two different issues.

The former -might- be a defective coil. The latter, given that the coil is stationary, is most likely EMI. 

No, a factory reset shouldn't have any effect on what you're experiencing.

Does the issue occur with stock coil?

Also, you may know this, but single frequencies are far less suspectable to EMI than SMF. Try putting the Legend into 40 khz and see if the issue persists.

1 hour ago, JCR said:

I sent PayPal payment last night.  NEL Attack 15X15. 14-21 days shipping.  I hope it comes thru alright as I think it will give me some more depth for my mild ground sites.  

Hi JCR.

To me, the LG35 is more of a 13" round coil, than it is an elliptical, but it will be really interesting to read about your findings with the 15" round coil. Will you be doing head to head depth comparisons between it, and the LG35? If so, can you compare with a coin lying flat, as well as on edge?

Right around that 13" to 15" round coil size range, is also the point of diminishing returns on coin sized objects. So much so, that the 15" might even get less a little less depth than the 13" on small targets like coins on edge. For example, I did an in ground silver dime depth comparison between the LG24 (9.5x6) to the LG28 (11" round). With the dime lying flat, the 11" round coil could hit the dime only about 1" deeper than the 9.5x6. Granted, the larger the coin, the more spread there would be in the depth difference. With the dime on edge, there was no depth difference between those coils. Although, that's not too much of a surprise considering the smaller coil will be more sensitive to small targets due to the tighter field and receiving less of the ground signal. If I were to compare the dime on edge using the 9.5x6 and the 13" round (which I don't have lol), I'd bet the 13" round would get slightly less depth.

I hope I don't come across as debbie downer, and I also hope you prove me wrong 🙂 


 

Nice. Gain increase by placing the preamp before the coil cable. That makes sense! Thanks again Carl 🙂

In your play by plays Jeff, I enjoy your attention to detail. A+

Thanks Carl, for clearly explaining the analog components of the mostly digital circuitry.

If you would be so kind, can you please elaborate on "Many newer designs place the preamp inside the coil"? More specifically, what is the necessity, or preference reason for placing the preamp in the coil? Also, of the SMF detectors from the original Nox and forward, do you know which of those has the preamp in the coil?

Sheesh.

From now on, I might have a better look at all the damn pennies I find, instead of directly tossing them in my trash pouch!

12 minutes ago, phrunt said:

I can't imagine a 5-year-old Nox performing any different than a brand new one unless it's developed a fault or the battery is failing.

I can't imagine it either, unless the digital detectors still have some analog components that lose tolerance over time. I thought I'd ask, in case I was missing something .

On a side note:

Ditto on the mechanical drive. I've replaced hundreds of mechanical drives with SSDs. The speed difference is nothing short of phenomenal, and that's true even with cloning, let alone a clean install of the OS.

Hi All.

If someone was to take for example, a new Nox and compare it to the depth of a Nox that has years of use and thousands of hours on it, would the depth be the same?

I mean, I can see how analog components will eventually lose tolerances, and cause some sort of performance problems, but does something similar also happen with digital components?

I can see why a hunter would have a need for the 6.5x3.5, but is the NEL 17x15 going to have more depth on coin sized objects compared to Nokta's 13.5x12.5? Maybe on dollar sized coins lying flat?

The reason I ask, is because we all know the larger the coil, the less sensitive it is to small targets and vice versa. For example, in my ground the 11" round coil will hit a silver dime lying flat, about 1" deeper than the 9.5x6 coil. But, with a dime lying at a 45 degree angle, the 11" coil only hits it about 1/2" deeper. With the dime on edge, there is no difference in depth between those coils.

See what I'm getting at? 🙂

 

Ya, that cell phone on a stick thing needs to stop.

Other than the landscape orientation of the Apex screen that I adore, I'm not sure what I find so appealing about it. It seems to have greater contrast and sharpness, compared to any other detector screens that I've seen. Also, this probably won't make sense, but the image is much more at the surface of the screen, compared to other screens.
 

My guess is that it will be a submersible SMF priced around the 900. Features will be:

1) A beautiful, color, landscape oriented (yay!) screen with a very intuitive and simple to use interface.

2) Made of ultralight, but strong materials.

3) A feature that will make it stand out from the SMF crowd. The feature will sound great in advertisements, but will be kind of gimmicky in practice.

4) SMF range will be from 2 khz to 100 khz. The SMF weighting will be selectable and customizable. There will also be 8 selectable single frequencies ranging from 2 khz to 100 khz.

4) Some sort of AI integration (see #3) 🙂

6 minutes ago, phrunt said:

A recent family photo. Maybe my hands were cold, as they look like they'd cooled down a detector handle.  

Maybe it's the heat dissipation from holding on to all the pinpointers in your front pocket 😁

Well, you do have a decent point.

I would be totally fine with putting my 540 up against the most expensive detectors. The 540 uses the same SMF technology as the Nox line, and I'd bet that same technology is in the Manticore as well.