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On 3/6/2016 at 5:57 PM, argyle said:

Another very important issue for coin hunters with our digitized units is the dreaded bottlecap segmentation and tone issue. Far too many manufacturers units are very bad at differentiating the caps verses coins.

Nokta/Makro are addressing this problem.

A few Minelab units have nice secrets to fully distinguish the problem to a very acceptable level.

And other units have their little tricks too, again to an acceptable level.

Unfortunately the MXSport is a total dud in this regard.

I typically in the past use the cross over point on the DD's to distinguish if its a bottle cap.

Does that not work on the mxsport?

SC Beach notes from Andy Sabisch ....

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On February 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, khouse said:

After using 4- ATpro's off and on over the years I felt it could have used some features that some of my other machines had.  I want a larger display, tone options and a backlight.  I really thought Garrett would have ditched the standard mode and used that part to add more options. But they haven't.  I've been waiting for somebody to give me more of what I wanted.  Heck I was seriously looking at the Deteknix Quest.  Now after some videos and the about to be released MXS I'm not interested in the Quest.  The MXS has everything I wanted in an ATpro and tons more. Do I expect it to hit deep silver better than my Etrac or pluck Gold out of the Ocean? Heck no.  I just hope it does most everything well.  From what I've seen it will.  On the other hand if the MXS cost $2900 then yes, It better be super at everything.

I agree...also the Quest has something wrong with their displays. Probably cheap china engineering with no one minding the store on how to build a metal detector display properly.

MXS is $749

On February 13, 2016 at 3:28 AM, auminesweeper said:

Their video has not distracted me from reality one bit it is the exact opposite, Being that their results with the MXT do not match mine, and I have been detecting since that guy was taking Teddy Bears to bed, And I have been using the MXTs since 2010 and Only the MXTs, I don't care if he works at NASA I have more than 5 and a half years invested in the MXT and well Over 3000 hours of time spent swinging the same Coil/Machine. so there is a slight chance I might know a bit more than he does when it comes to real World detecting with the MXT.

So all I can say is I agree to Disagree and leave it at that.

I dont think the engineer in the video is trying to tear down his own products. He is just being refreshingly honest about what folks know are the challenges of each unit and why they worked on these things for mxsport.

Also you must have a really "hot" machine. I am no where near the same results as you are getting and i repeated mine again on two different days and got the same results. Not to say that the video, your results, and mine could all be in range of possible results on a unit for air test. And as Steve mentions that is not what counts. Its the ground tests that matter.

For my own air testing and swapping coils on mx5 and mxt all pro to and fro i got the same distances for nickel and quarter on each unit of about 10.5 to 11 inches for nickel and 10.5 inches for quarters. The inch offset between their measurements and mine probably are do to how quiet their environment is or the calibration they did or something of the like. I might have it not as tuned or as quiet as theirs but i think actually mxt and mx5 look pretty equal in the std non-boosted gain ranges, except mx5 is much more emi sensitive as they show in the video.

Also it appears they used the default coils on each system in the test. My best readings for air distance on mx5 and mxt were with the mx5 concentric coil. So its not surprising that mx5 with the concentric got 1/2 inch more in distance with the nickel and inch more than quarter.

But what is interesting is that side by side they are getting 1.5 inches more than mxt between mxt all pro and mxsport. That makes me wonder about finding smaller targets or maybe enabling prospecting  capability to find smaller penny nuggets with the sport than mxt.

Also curious to test then the mxsport with the accessory loops steve has listed. If it does better with concentric coil in the air then i want to really see how it does in different grounds with the different loops. As john mentioned 12 inch loop, or a smaller elliptical trash hunting loops, or concentric loop.

i think folks are putting in orders now..saw several ads for preorders

On 1/25/2016 at 0:02 PM, Steve Herschbach said:

Coil Interchangeability On The White's MX Sport

There are currently around 20 accessory coils that work with the White's DFX, M6, MX5, SST, V3i, MXT, and MXT Pro. It it nice not only having so many coils available but ones that work on quite a few models. A lot of people already have money invested in these coils. It sure would be nice if they worked with the MX Sport - but will they?

There is the obvious issue of the MX Sport using a waterproof connector, and a simple adapter would seem to be the solution. It unfortunately may be more complicated than that. The existing coils all have a 5 pin connector. The MX Sport has an 8 pin connector, and all eight pins appear to be in use.

What are the three extra wires for? My guess is White's is employing smart coil technology to identify different coils to the detector. Cynics will think this is to control the manufacture of coils. Regardless of any motivations there allowing the machine to know what coil is on it allows for adjustments to be made in parameters like the depth reading. This is normally calibrated on a detector to a US dime using the stock coil, but the minute you change coils the calibration goes out the door. With smart coils you can adjust for each coil. There can be differences in concentric versus DD performance that con be accounted for, so this is a good thing from a performance perspective.

If the idea is to control who can make accessory coils then the three wires can sense some sort of id chip code also. The problem if that is the case then existing coils are not likely to work, even if an adapter from the 8 pin waterproof connector to the 5 pin dry land connector can be fabricated, unless that adapter also defeated the id check. Or if controlling who makes coils is not an issue, then perhaps the extra wires can just be ignored and the coils will work, albeit without the extra smart coil functionality.

Lot of speculation based on three wires! Personally I think White's would be hurting sales by not allowing faithful White's owners to leverage existing coil collections somehow so I am still hoping for an adapter. Otherwise at this time there is only the existing stock 10" round DD coil plus two accessory coils available for the MX Sport, the 10" x 5.5" elliptical DD (be a nice nugget coil) and the 9.5" round concentric (be a good low mineral beach coil).

hmm....so which coils do you like?