basstrackerman

28 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

I get what you are saying when you state the 10x5 weighs almost as much as the 11" On the other hand, I say the 10x5 weighs 3 oz less.  The 10x5 literally splits the weight difference between the Vanquish 10x7 and the NOX 11".   Your take is ML and Coiltek not "getting it right", and I see Coiltek offering a lighter coil with almost the same coverage as the 11" round.  By splitting it down the middle it is easy to have different takes on what is going on here with these new coils.

What is clear is that the 11" coil is definitely optimized for Equinox (almost as if Equinox was designed to operate optimally around that coil).  The 6" and 15x12" are suboptimal from a form factor and/or performance standpoint.  They have specific uses (tight spaces, pinpoint use in high target density areas, or great swing coverage) but also suffer from downsides including swing coverage (6") and weight/ground noise amplification (15x12) and are therefore situational at best.  No coil I have seen has significantly beat the 11" on depth AND on small target sensitivity.  I do think the 10X5 is also simply a situational coil (but a coil I would use in A LOT more situatations than the 6" round), because it will likely have noticeably less depth performance than the stock.  I think most people want the combo of depth performance and swing coverage the 11" offers and that is why ML gravitated there.  There is no denying, however, the more choices when it comes to coils, the better, no matter how you slice it.  So in that sense I think Coiltek is getting it right, provided the performance proves to be there with the user reports start coming in.  JMO though.

The 5x10 weighs 15.2 oz. My minelab stock coil weighs exactly 16oz without cover.  It's very close to the stock coil in weight.  The 7x10 Vanquish coil weighs 12.7oz.  Not really a split lol

25 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

The 10x5 weighs all of 26 grams more than the Vanquish 10x7 coil (400 vs. 426 grams), that is less than an ounce.

I thought Vanquish coil weighed less than that?

You may need the female to male 

Or if an adaptor is needed the buy a 12" 1/8 to 1/4 adaptor and mount receiver on arm cuff.  I always do that so there is no extra weight on coil end of unit. 

The tarsacci comes with a pig tail that screws into headphones port and uses 1/8 female plug for your 1/8" male plug from the receiver for your headphones.  

I took coil cover off. Saves over 2oz 

Just for reference the 15" minelab coil weight

Here ya go Chase

Got my new coil. Looks great!  I can't use it til I get my lower rods back from Steve . But it feels solid.  Weighs 1lb 5.6oz 

3 hours ago, dewcon4414 said:

 

For those interested... especially the water hunters SteveG maybe getting a borrowed shaft to try and make it a smaller diameter.... which will equate to less water displacement.  It’s currently between a standard shaft and CTX shaft.

It would be nice to get a few people on board with the slimmer lower carbon fiber shafts for the tarsacci.  It may reduce weight also if that is a concern for some guys going to the 12 " coil which is a little heavier.  Biggest benefit is less drag in the water is what I'm guessing.  Steve can use colored shafts to pretty up the detector too.  

Mine has no internal speaker but does not have the aluminum battery compartment upgrade.  I would love to make mine fully waterproof to like 50' .  Or at least 20'.  

I'd love to see a video in the wet sand or in the water .  Also it would be great if they could upgrade detectors already sold to the aluminum battery compartment and cap. I'd send mine in.    Here in Gulf Shores I imagine tourists are down too but probably down everywhere.  

Those pinpoint numbers are for depth reading. 

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

The Simplex doesn’t natively support Bluetooth and if you do want to add a Bluetooth dongle transmitter, you have to by a Nokta headphone adapter because the Simplex does not use a standard headphone jack.

Oh I thought if you did not order the simplex with their wireless headphones that the headphones adapter would come with it.   Is that not true?  I have the dongle and several sets of equinox headphones.  I never really cared for the nokta headphones.  

Are the green wireless headphones that come with the simplex worth getting or should I use my Bluetooth ? What are you guys using?

Nice video.   Looked like it was picking up that dime at 14 inches or so in bad dirt.  I seen a video of Calabash digger , has a dime buried at 14 inches in extremely mild dirt with a couple machines just barely hitting on it.  

1 hour ago, midalake said:

I hunted a couple of days ago and forced myself to use all metal. It is OK but the headphones are very inferior. don't think my ears really like the all metal tone. 

I took my Equinox cable for my Black Widow's and put it into the MDT cable and the !$$#^& headphones won't work. 

WHY can't all this chit interchange?  Surely, the makers know all their factory phones are junk if you are working a beach????? 

Now I have to chase another audio issue...%$&$$**

Dave

I had a pair of Tony Eisenhower waterproof headphones made.   The equinox headphones won't work I believe it's one is mono and the other stereo. 

Very nice!  I dug a tiny piece of decor from clothing that was paper thin and if laid on top of pencil eraser was smaller in diameter.    It was gold colored.  Rang up a 3 if I remember right.  The tarsacci nailed it. .  

Oh forgot to ask, your battery cap looks red.. mine is black, do you have plenty of threads when threading cap on? Thanks

Nice report.  What is the machine you normally use? Just curious.  I really like the tarsacci and I'm finding myself digging deep on targets also.  Can't wait til the 12" coil is released.  I really like the all metal and mixed modes the most.  But disc mode is good enough that I'd use it on days where targets are overwhelming.   

Good morning Dewcon. Settings were salt 30-35, threshold 0 to -3, frequency 9-12 mostly but tested all, ground balance 545 ish it stayed around them numbers when checking. Sensitivity 7,8,9,. Black sand off, tracking off, that should be it I'm thinking.  I'm here a couple miles north of Gulf Shores and Orange Beach Alabama. White sugar sand beaches. I tested all modes also. Mostly stayed in all metal...  One thing I forgot to test is disc , I had it set at -30 and didn't change it, but wanted to try some different settings.  I like what I saw and heard.  I use Tony Eisenhower headphones mostly but did try the Bluetooth setup with a trond receiver velcrowed to back of control box and used my Nox headphones.  Both set ups sounded great. My unit has no speaker but has the original battery cap set up.  In the dry sand I picked up several nickels well over a foot deep and was very happy with that.  I'm extremely happy that this machine knows what iron is.  Many don't and false on alot of it, Nox included.  On the Nox you can have a decent tone and numbers in the low 20's or even higher in the 30's on a piece of rusty metal.  The MDT may give a semi good tone but so far numbers were always negative .  .

Thank you Chase.  The tarsacci was impressive in the sand dry or wet or under water.  Ran very stable.  One thing I didn't like about the xcal was the noises it made . While we were testing on the ring the xcal would make the same tone in several areas around the buried ring.  Had to have been the settings.. very hard to tell if ring was sounding off or ground minerals.  This was when we had several inches of standing water over the buried ring.  The tarsacci made zero noises unless over target and it was obvious .  

 Did some testing on the Gulf beaches with my Tarsacci and my buddies Excalibur. He was running the 15" nel coil.  I buried a 14k ring with a string tied to it at 14" deep in damp sand.  Tarsacci had a nice clear signal and the xcal did ok also. Now wet sand in water..... 12" deep nothing on either, as I pulled up the string the ring would be on edge and at the 10" mark tarsacci picked it up fine, but xcal did not. He has been running the xcal for a couple years and I'm new to tarsacci . Settings for the most part didn't change the way tarsacci was able to go very deep in dry sand , but I did lose a few inches in sand under water. I will do my best to figure out which settings work best.  Very quiet machine for sure.  Very impressed with it's ability to ID iron.  But a 10" ring on edge and the xcal couldn't see it?  Is that normal?  Thanks for any input. 

4 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

If you have lots of threads and two orings, and no speaker, that is the new version apparently. Anyone buying used should be aware that nearly all the ones out there have a speaker, and the battery cap has just barely enough turns to get a grip and hold the cap on. Be very careful not to cross thread. I'm not being critical as I have no issue with what I have, but do be aware the version basstrackerman was unknown to most of us up until very recently. It is the subject of this thread.

Here is what I have (old version, click for closeup). Mine even has a slight flattened area on one side if you look at the oring right side, so the fit there between the oring and cap is a little weak. However, there is another thin oring embedded in the cap itself, so it is a double seal. But compare to the newer version below and it is obvious which is the more robust design.

and here is the new version (screen shot so blurry, sorry). Coarser metal threads, way deeper reach, and two beefy orings. Again, no complaints here but if waterproof integrity is a big deal this is important. Plus, we have no official word on whether or not this is the new version, or something made to order?

Mine is the thinner O-rings.  I get 1.5 turns on cap once catches a thread to stay, til tight.  It feels tight.  I'd rather have the cap with 2 much thicker O-rings.