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AFAIK, the kruzer was a refined, waterproofed Impact platform, and the Anfibio was a Kruzer with more features. There was always overlap in the two companies' machines, I'm pretty sure the racer platform was based on the Fors Core, just put in a more typical/ergonomic package. 

I never liked the multi Kruzer. The audio was always very scratchy and unpleasant to my ears. It also was much more emi sensitive than other detectors I'd used. The shaft was also very wobbly, which would drive me nuts. There was no ID stability whatsoever in my ground either, to the point where ferrous/non ferrous was about all the info I'd get. 

23 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

The whole "what" and "how many frequencies" transmitted thing is really overblown.  What matters more is what the detector does with the resulting acquired target signal (the signal processing code).

I was refering to the frequencies processed side of things. Whites was always straightforward about what was actually processed, and in the case of the V3i actually showed the different frequency responses. How many frequencies transmitted is almost meaningless due to the endless harmonics...

On 3/14/2023 at 5:55 PM, Ringtail said:

Here’s a photo of the V3i display, the green is 2.5 kHz, red is 7.5 kHz, blue is 22.5. This is extremely useful info, why can’t we get this on modern detectors? Whites is out of busines, but I guess it’s possible that Garrett now owns the patents.

Ringtail

Probably because that would require companies to be straightforward about which frequencies their machines use.... 

Given that the T2 actually has an all metal mode, I'm guessing that honestly. At least for hitting the bullets, D2 for better id accuracy for the ones it does hit.

I primarily use an Equinox, but I keep my old AT Pro as a backup/when I want to use it. I'm way more comfortable with the AT's audio, and will often use it to scout a site first before I use the Equinox. I wish I could have the AT's audio with the Equinox's performance, but oh well.

A v3i in a lighter package with proportional audio would be epic. Very excited to see what happens with this.

44 minutes ago, GB_Amateur said:

I could spend considerable time looking at user mamuals, or just ask you, Steve.  😀  Doesn't the White's V3i let you choose 2 of 3 frequencies?  Also, do any other detectors have this optionality?

Nope. The V3i is either one of the 3 frequencies, or one of two multi frequency options that both ran all 3 but with different signal processing. I'm not aware of any detector that allows you to choose the frequencies in multi frequency mode.

Even a biased report would be better than nothing, especially if there is a video showing things like the audio on actual targets.

I hope that some people who will actually evaluate it critically get one too, not just the Garrett only people.

46 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Not really, it is assuming you get what you pay for and perhaps for $500 you don't get what you get for $649 or $899. If the idea is to get Equinox 800 or even Equinox 600 performance for under $500 - good luck.

I was referring more to the vanquish series.

40 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Well for me it is the feature set under $500... nothing else like it for the money. This is what a dry land Equinox could have been if Minelab were not afraid of undercutting Equinox sales. But Vanquish does sell for less. The progression on features and price is Vanquish > Apex > Equinox. Right now you can get multifrequency at almost any decent price point from $200 on up. Anyway, looks to me like Garrett perfectly hit the gap between Vanquish and Equinox.

This is assuming that it performs comparatively to the minelabs though. Some actual field testing is required before that assumption can be made. I hope that it does perform at least as well as the minelabs, because then I have an excuse to get one 🙂

19 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

One thing people best be cautious about. It really is inevitable that a waterproof version of this will follow at some point. It is what the AT Max should have been. Who knows when it might happen, but some may buy this and then see the waterproof version later and wish they had waited. Maybe a fall release? Pure speculation, but multifrequency just screams for waterproofing for saltwater beach use and it has to be part of the plan.

Yes, it would make sense to have a waterproof high end version (maybe a gti replacement) come out in the relatively near future. Another high end multi-frequency metal detector apart from minelab and whites would be super interesting.

Another unrelated thing that I'm curious about is how many, and which frequencies the multo mode uses.

They specifically said that coils will not be interchangeable.

Now that they have simultaneous multi frequency tech, I wonder how long until they make an actual top of the line detector to replace the GTI.

Just said he expects $492 for the price with headphones.

Garrett Ace Apex metal detector with Z-Lynk wireless headphones

Hmm, MSRP of $499 USD. Kinda high.

Curious as to how it will compare to the AT series. On paper it looks better in every way, so I wonder if an AT upgrade is coming soon?

I don't see any mention of it being waterproof though, which is somewhat disappointing. Hopefully I just missed that.

1 minute ago, Chase Goldman said:

And single frequency selectable -- Take That Vanquish!

AND adjustable ground balance.

It's simultaneous multi frequency. This could be interesting.

Garrett Ace Apex Data & Reviews

Garrett Ace Apex multifrequency metal detector - new for 2020

I remember a lot (relatively speaking) of talk about this detector from a few years ago, and then just silence. Has it actually been released yet?

My three favorite finds of 2019 are a US civil war belt buckle, what I believe to be a US civil war bridal rosette, and a 1776 Spanish 1 reale coin.

I've ruined ( removed the detail) from a good many old copper coins just by using water and a toothbrush, I learned not to use water the hard way. I've found that the way to keep the most detail is dry cleaning with a toothbrush and toothpick to remove the dirt. Wheats I just hit with a brass bristled brush because they aren't going to be worth much, and I just want them to look decent. Silver I just rinse off with water. 

Based on my limited CTX knowledge, the V3i should be similar for turf coin hunting, and better for relic hunting. I think an Equinox will outdo both in sites with lots of iron trash. The V3i is the only non Minelab that has both simultaneous multi frequency, and target ID information beyond vdi numbers. The 3 frequency pinpoint was pretty awesome.... Now I want mine back lol.