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Folks.. you can't blame Minelab for the fact that on its 35th anniversary.. it reduced the price of Manticore for a certain period of time...
Here in Europe, Minelab is giving away a free big coil for the Manticore for its 35th anniversary... I think it's a fair offer...

I'm personally saving money this year,,, so I'm not buying another detector...but it might be useful for someone...

But it's up to everyone how they approach it...

Andrew, I'm very glad that you're increasing your score again in found gold coins...and congratulations...
Another thing that pleased me is... that you take really seriously... the detection of targets by ID... when you are in a place that is worth it...
I wish you another successful search for other nice signals...👍...

After further testing on the iron carpet, I optimized the Vista Gold Gain 30 khz detector setting... for this 2D separation situation in detecting the target under the iron carpet... the results are really better...

Vista X will have a slightly different setting...but it is good to spend some time to optimize the setting, to detect in dense iron occupation ...

Don't get me wrong...I think Minelab already showed in the case of the Vanquish 340 how cheap a multi-frequency detector can be...practically, it's still the cheapest multi-frequency detector on the market. 

What does electronics mean at the highest level...
Fighting detectors in the lowest weight / price category / does not have to be a priority for Minelab...

What does electronics mean at the highest level...
Fighting detectors in the lowest weight / price category / does not have to be a priority for minelab

The price offer of Minelab Manticore, which is now 400 euros less.. than mine, is fine... and does not indicate a problem with Minelab at all.

Here in *Europe.. Manticore with a large coil is now available for free.. for many it is a really tempting offer...

On the contrary.. By producing many new detectors, Nokta can show that it is going somewhat in the direction that the Fisher company went until recently... where small changes meant a new detector model...
  simply too many new detector models in a short time.

it reminds me of the times when Nokta created detectors under the two brands Nokta and Makro..

On 4/20/2024 at 1:58 PM, palzynski said:

Very interesting and a little surprising , it looks like from the 2 videos that the Versa is the winner of the test with a clean and clear signal on the Mercury at 10inches ..  While the Manticore signal is weaker and a little scratchy and the Legend behind the 2 others .

Of course it is just one test and this needs to be confirmed with other targets , for example bigger coins like a 10g coin for example ...

Hi Slavomir , you have tested the Versa , do you confirm this depth difference between the Versa and other detectors ? thx

If I were to compare the Rutus VERSA with other detectors... it has a really good performance on highly conductive targets...,, on medium conductive targets as well,,, and on low conductive targets it has a performance .. which can really exceed the best detectors on the market...... regardless of the price class...

I will also do a test... but minelab FBS works at two frequencies... 3.4khz and 24khz...

When comparing the Vanquish 340 programs separately, you have to take into account one more thing... that the coin program and the jewelry program and the all metal program have a different level of discrimination...
the sperky program has a fixed discrimination set to 0, while the coin program has a fixed discrimination set to 10....
the program "all metal" does not have any discrimination set, but it has a setting with the setting "tone break" /tone discrimination at 0/...
so such a setting can have an effect on the separation of good targets in iron...

the Vanquis 440 and 540 models already have an independent discrimination setting in all programs, "and in this way, in my opinion, they can achieve somewhat better separation results in some of their programs..

One of the test videos from Iffy Signal /Mike/... shows the deep possibilities of Rutus VERSA on the new 3.7 NC software...

It must be recognized that Jasong does not lack enthusiasm,, about how technical progress in detectors can subsequently influence the development of detectors with better detection possibilities,,, which current gold detectors have....
To assume that each new generation of gold detectors can achieve a better depth of detection for a certain target size.. say by 10% on a standard large coil,,
Is it a little deep or is it deep enough...?

But I also understand Steve well...who has been a tester of many excellent gold detectors...and who may know more about...how difficult it is to achieve even that 10% more depth of detection...

Is it realistic that every 7-10 years we get a new detector that gives us a 10% better depth of detection...?

Steve ....this bronze ax shape is really a very old pattern for axes that were made 3500 years ago...

https://www.lovecpokladu.cz/home/pri-klubove-detektorove-akci-objevil-nejstarsi-medenou-sekeru-v-polsku-9741

 Andrew...you made a good move with the nuggets....but I also have another one well Ace...And it's a meteorite.

For me, it's probably quite similar to Rick's,,, I found staters from the period 100-200 years before our era.. the last one from Rutus Atrex on 4.75" on a concentric coil..

People... keep respect for Fisher... the company produced very good models of detectors, which brought wonderful discoveries to many detectorists...

I myself feel that Fisher can surprise when it comes with a new detector model...

1. First of all, I never evaluate the quality of a detector based on its price, but based on its detection capabilities, as well as the ability to reliably detect in difficult or challenging, for example, iron-contaminated terrain...

2. another important attribute of the detector is the quality of discrimination, proportional audio information about the size of the target, as well as the scale of the VDI target - which allows me, for example, to selectively select targets from the field, for example, from a certain VDI range... and thereby increase the effectiveness of detection even when searching very small hammered coins... and at the same time significantly limit, even eliminate, for example, the digging of various large aluminum, foil, lead shot, as well as other very small waste...

Here we can assign, for example, a good identification of medium and larger iron... which often confuses many detectors... and considers it a good target...

3...the third important element is the technical parameters of the detector in the area of sensitivity and range of the detector, for example, to very small targets..., as well as the ability to unmask targets between iron,, or in a mineralized or conductive field or a field that contains ceramics, which it can strongly limit the deep detection of good targets in such a terrain,,,and this is another important detection factor.

4 ..an important factor in the detector is the assortment of different sized coils... because standard coils have their detection limits... in, say, more difficult detection situations... either in the maximum depth of detection or in better unmasking of targets...

5. Since I am also from Europe, and I detect in old places from 1000-3000 years old history... I condition my detection style to such demanding conditions... I have a really sufficient number of detectors in my portfolio and I have the possibility to publish in their detection detection capabilities as well as their good features as well as shortcomings... in a given type of detection... or type of terrain...

6.. for me, the important thing is to test my detectors for a specific detection situation.. which I have encountered, for example, in detection.. and digging a target and simulating the same conditions for the test... these are separation or tests in heavily mineralized terrain.. where I check the ability of detectors as well as various large coils to deal with such a detection situation..
It should be said here that I also focus on testing detectors to find the so-called universal setting of the detector - which can cope with different types of terrain as well as enable effective unmasking of targets without excessive loss of detection depth for the given detector.

7.. Finally.. the ability of the operator to correctly set the detector for the given terrain is often a decisive factor in the success of the detection.. because only very few detectors can correctly and universally detect on one program setting... - and here the hours spent with the given detector in terrain..

Prymek... reminds in the video, that you can dig up iron from the field with a detector and thus clean the field of iron,,,,,
for better detection of targets .. so ceramics that are still left in the ground because they are not detectable ... can still mask well the targets placed under it...
It is an indicator of the possibility of 1 frequency in X terra, and multi-frequency in Equinox 900...

I'm posting a video from my colleague Prymek... where he shows really well the technical possibilities of the 1 frequency X-Terra Pro compared to the multi-frequency in the Equinox 900 detector...

The terrain is mineralized with magnetite..., that's why in X terra for ..even low-conductivity targets at 15 and 18 cm in the terrain ..they give a relatively high VDI in the zone of high-conductivity targets..., but there is also a visible difference in the work of the detectors if cover the target with a piece of ceramic...

in easy terrain, and free weekend detection..these differences between the two detectors may not be that big,,,but when you go into difficult terrain conditions,,,you start to see the difference in the work of both detectors,,,

I think that the Test of the New Versa software 3:7 NC took place really well, where VERSA shows its real detection capabilities ..

In the last Video From IFFY, I see that he is also testing new software for VERSA

In my opinion, the Nel hunter is closer to the 11" DD Fisher, and if you want a more significant change, I would go for the 13" DD Ultimate... because of that, I have a good ratio between the size and weight of the coil for its size..

Nel Super Fly 11x 12" can also be a good coil because it is light for its size..but I have no experience with it...

  13" ultimate has been on the market for years, and it's a really proven coil, I have it on several of my detectors...

16 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

Although this post is inspired by old coin detecting, in many ways it applies to jewelry, native gold, and relics as well so I'm putting it in the general forum.

Actually there are (at least) two more qualities that enter this topic, so let's define what I mean by each:

1) Rarity is simply an extreme shortage of supply.  In general usage the word covers a wide range but it can be quantified.  (That happens in some areas of collecting, including coin collecting.)

2) Value is another general term but in this discussion it's limited to monetary value.  That is also quantifiable.

3) Aesthetics is the appreciation of something for its (subjective) appeal, typically for beauty.  It's non-quantifiable and reasonably explained by the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

4) Sentiment applies to things with personal, particularly emotional attachment.

 

....I think that the dream and target of every detectorist is to find and detect a coin or object that would include all 4 mentioned properties... Rarity, Value, Aesthetics, and Sentiment...

In my opinion, it's a perfect find.... have I found something like this? maybe yes...

it certainly moved me to achieve other challenging finds in the future.....

However, the practice is that some of the findings can have only 1, 2 or 3 of the 4 listed value attributes...

Every detectorist has his own scale or level of findings that he would like to find, and that is often the case, that another good finding... can move us further... in detection...
 
The value of a coin depends on many factors, and it is often true that the age of the coin itself and the number of mintages do not always determine the relatively greatest value of the object..because marketing around the value of different coins is a special thing and is often subject to various temporal and other changes. and sometimes it is very relative...

  I think that in this hobby...-detection, it's a good thing that you have a chance to find something nice as well as valuable...

  Sometimes it can also be time well spent in good detection..

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In the Goldfield program, you do not need a silencer,, because this program uses discrimination of the IAR type,,, and when this program is intended for searching for gold, you do not need other types of discrimination..

ORX vs Deus1 ... according to the experience of my colleague, ORX in the gold program can handle mineralized terrain a little better than Deus1 in the Goldfield program...
Let's not forget that the ORX electronics are somewhat newer and have been optimized for *Hf white coils... so that may have its reasons...

I'm glad that you solved it...,, because ATX outside can really work at high sensitivity..

The ratio of Performance, Possibilities and Price will be important...,,but the most important thing is that Garret goes ahead ... this shows that he really thinks important about the production of detectors...