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Cool I started to design one that was a bar of acrylic that would fit on the edge of the display but got sidetracked. I was hoping to make it low profile, sticks on with an elastic strap and would be water proof but then I got sidetracked with silly work stuff.

I did a quick recording of items I had going from a small nickel silver bead through a screw cap. Total of 20 items 6" away in both all metal mode and discrim mode with disc at min.

It is interesting how you can actually see the different sounds and how they have unique patterns. I plan on redoing the test when I can set up outside. There is a lot of emi here and my audio setup was not tuned so I couldn't hear the threshold through the computer even though it was pretty loud on the detector. The audio was also recorded really hot which I will correct next time.

Wonder if digital machines have just flat signals with no variation other than tone and volume? I can't record my Garrett as it has a proprietary audio jack.

Real diamonds aren't as flashy, many do prefer the sparkle of cz's, much brighter.

I know, all the old rings and big makers rings I found all have marks. With all the small makers and crafters it's possible it's good. I have my share of stainless, tungsten and titanium rings I have dug and some of those have mm on them. Those also ring in much lower <50 on my AT. Regular nickel silver would be tarnished in the salt. I have worked with ns and it tarnishes quick. I have never found any platinum that I know of so couldn't say what that runs at on the VDI. Also guessed that platinum they would use real diamonds and not cz's.

Have you ever picked up on plat?

I recently broke a vow and took my Tejon to the beach and surprisingly did pretty well. I came across this ring about 4-6" down in the damp sand.

It has no makers mark or any marks, the diamonds look like cz's not real diamonds as they refract some color and huff test they do not fog. When I compared the vdi on it from my AT Pro it comes in as a solid 55. Stainless rings come in at 48, titanium around 50 and 14k come in at solid 52 on that machine. Jeffersons come in at 52. Usually in my past experience 55 is a square tab or junk. Anyone know what range white gold comes in on?

Weight is .3 oz

Blisstool looks nice, I have been eyeing one  myself but not sure on support. It does have better discrim because it is a vlf where the TDI and ML are pi's so if there is a lot of trash in the area you may be digging a lot.

Another option is a larger coil for your current detector. I sometimes run a Nel Big 17x15 on my AT Pro that gives me just about 50% more depth but it comes in at a cost where you need to sometimes fiddle with the GB (drop sensitivity then bring it back up after gb) and the weight. You almost need to run the coil at your feet or you will be pretty tired after a couple hours.

Back to the Blisstool, it seems there are no places here for service so if you buy the 3 coil package for $1500 you may be on your own if it fails. It is also uses 8Khz so you will probably miss small or thin gold where the TDI and ML will ring in good on them.

Bottom line is if you have low trash or don't mind digging the Whites or ML will work fine.

Tesoro's site is almost back up so there is still some life there, anyone have a defib?

As a fan of analog beep and dig machines over flashy displays I came across the Blisstool Beast and the depth tests and target separation seem really impressive. Has anyone used one?

I have been eyeing some waterproof machines to upgrade from my AT Pro and looked at the Equinox 800, AT Max, Anfibio Multi and XP Orx all of which are in the same price range.

Weight wise the Orx looks good but when compared to the Deus and other machines it seems to lack depth which could be just coil size.

AT Max looks good with it's all metal mode but the low 13hz might make finding small gold pieces difficult.

Last it leaves the Equinox vs Anfibio multi and seeing comparisons of the 2 machines the Anfibio looks like the better of the 2 machines on depth and signal stability. 

I have never used any of the machines and others here probably have first hand info that might make the choice better.

I'm not in any rush, I have been using my AT Pro in the big fields but some the fields are hit hard so was going to do a few passes with the Tejon in all metal mode and use the 2nd discrim for small iron. I love the concentric on it now, I can pick through the worst areas and snipe out the good stuff which seems to make it a great machine for parks where you really can't dig everything without getting screamed at by the caretakers.

Looking at the Nel and Detech coils as comparison and think they might be a good alternative. For lower pole it isn't a huge deal to undo a nut and swap it out. I do that on my AT. Takes more time to wind the wire than to spin a nut and it isn't like I need to run through the area and do a change out in some sort of competition ?

I baby my equipment, should have it for quite a while. If it fails and I can't fix it i'll bronze it and hang it on my wall ?

Just realized that, they are out of battery box covers too.

Worst case scenario I can always make one if I need to.

Curious if the wide scan coil is worth getting or is the Nell or Detech coils equal or better?

Seems like a mad grab out there on parts and pieces. Reminds me of the food hoarders just before a snow storm up here. 

Seriousdetecting has them here for $12, they are pretty good to order from.

https://www.seriousdetecting.com/products/?product_cat=shafts&source_id=897&source_tax=product_cat&filter_manufacturer=tesoro

I love the concentric but you don't cover much ground when it comes to big open fields.

I have been using the 9x8 concentric coil mostly for park hunting and trashy areas and wondering how good the 12x10 wide scan coil is on depth and small targets or would I be better off with a Nel Thunder or something similar? I find the 9x8 a little tedious on big fields. 

Thinking of getting that coil along with a lower pole and other parts as back up since Tesoro seems to have evaporated.

Nice, Was eyeing the ORX and having 2nd thoughts now.

Thanks for posting.

Be nice if they posted something on their home page on what is going on. They had so many loyal customers they just walked away from. Certainly not how I would do business.

Nice stuff, too bad that modern half cent isn't worth anything hehe

Warranty states Iifetime of the company. Unless there are some state level regulations forcing them to support the machines for XXX years after company closing then maybe that is what they are doing. If that is the case I believe some states require 5 years after last product sale. 

My hunch and maybe I'm being hopeful, is they are quiet because they haven't tossed in the towel yet.

Looks like Tesoro is still doing repairs. Maybe just restructuring the company. If that is the case and I can confirm then I will snag a Sand Shark for my beach combing. Hope they are still kicking.

Those are good videos. When I use my AT Pro I discovered when the machine is in the salt water I simply plant it flat on the sand, toss it into manual gb and adjust it so both high and low sounds are the same and it seems to be dead on and extremely stable, even picked up a dime about 8" down and thought it was a penny the way it hit, was pretty loud.

Planting the machine on dry sand does not seem to work so I do the typical pumping.

My old Whites Bullseye II and Minelab Profind 35 detect about the same on small objects. Took a small silver bead size of a bb and they detect the same about 1" away. Bullseye did a little better. Larger objects like coins and bigger the Minelab does better. Few years back I built a stud finder that hits the bb at about 1/2" away haha.

Wish I had a PI to test with and let you know. Having a hunch what you already have is going to be about the same when it comes to tiny stuff.

I believe that a vlf may pick up more on tiny finds better than a pi that may or may not go deeper. The Profind 35 I have has an iron signal with a low uneven vibrate that does help when it works. It is super sensitive but unfortunately I feel the quality isn't there and probably a hit or miss when purchasing.

I use the pinpointer mostly in parks where I don't heave out a pile of dirt to the side and swing my detector over it, the grounds keepers tend to frown on foot high mounds of mud all over the place. Between the 2 vlf pp's I have they both detect small objects with no issues and the newer profind does go deep. I would lean towards the vlf over a pi in this case. Just my hunch you might be better off. Whites has a good rep on customer service so they do have your back.

Not sure but seems after reading the posts the TRX might be the best bet. PI is good if you have really really bad soil or use them in the salt. In the salt it is almost useless to have a pp since you use a scoop and when you scoop run the detector over the hole and if it doesn't ring LQQK in the scoop. Pretty brainless hunting.

Would be nice if the vlf pp had some sort of discrimination where you could nudge out iron. Can't tell ya how many times I dug big holes and had to sift through nails and bits of rust to find what I was looking for.

Was looking at my AT Pro that I run with a big coil and trying to figure out if I could make a counter weight or not and looking under the armrest I discovered Garrett put a wire clip! After all these years I never noticed it. After giving up on the idea of a counter weight I hooked the headphone wire to the clip and discovered the wire had a nasty slice through it and was only held together by the copper shielding!

Dug through my box of stuff I use for electronic repair I had a container of liquid electrical tape. Looks like I'm good to go. Close call as I plan to hit the beaches this weekend.

Want to thank everyone for their 2 cents, with that I will hold up as I will slug it out at the beach with my AT Pro and big coil until I find something somewhat worthy that will spark my interest to do more beach hunting. Might spring for the Whites TDI Beach Hunter but thinking down the road but have a feeling with all the trash around it may not be a good option for relic hunting which limits it to the beaches more so.

Thanks for info on Sven's machines, they look really nice but if I got one I have a feeling I would store it more as a collector item and actually use it. Like having a Morgan in the garage, back it out dust it off then roll it back inside hahah.