JPS

On 8/5/2023 at 6:57 PM, phrunt said:

The Impulse project was severely messed up by releasing a waterproof beach detector prior to the gold detector, it was done the wrong way around, such a small market by comparison.  

I have no idea how long it takes to make a detector from scratch so I've still got my hopes up Nokta are working away on it in the background and will surprise us.  I would say there isn't really room in the market for another PI gold machine, but that's completely wrong.  There is plenty of room, it just has to be at the right price, a reasonable price that makes it an affordable detector for many to use.  If they make it dual purpose with some features that coin and jewellery, relic and even beach hunters would like and also keep the price low they'll hit a home run.

I shouldn't really be advocating for a cheap PI as that means there would likely be more people looking for gold in areas I look, price is what keeps the hobby limited in numbers, not many hobbyists are willing to pay the price and rightly so, unless you're in a very good gold location no matter how many hours you put in it's unlikely you will recover costs so you're doing it for the love, the challenge and that takes the numbers of people willing to do that right down.

If Nokta can do it, and do it at the right price they can expect to open up a whole new market of weekend or even holiday/vacation warriors with detectors, I thought Garrett was going to do that but they went for well-trodden high-priced route and have also quite severely limited their sales doing so.  

I would argue ideally it needs to be a lot better than a TDI, The QED is better than a TDI I hear and it's not quite where this Nokta needs to be to be very enticing, closer to a 4500 or 5000 would be better, anything better than that is pure gravy.    If a QED level is all they can do which you would think they can with it being a one-man job from a garage in rural Australia armed with his 3D printer and some electronics skills then it needs to be priced right more towards VLF pricing for what it is then it would still be a good success I think, but to really cause a stir the GPX 4500 should be the goal post.  There is little reason a PI should cost a lot more than a VLF, the only real thing costing more is the extra battery power it would require although QED's run off two 18650's

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I don't understand since all this time they haven't made a high-performance PI detector at a reasonable price. Manufacturers only make new VLF models that all look alike and only make very few changes between them

On 7/30/2023 at 9:19 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

The Impulse AQ is dead in the water and I doubt another version other than the Limited will be released. Nokta has gone silent on their PI. If you want a PI, look at what exists now, unless you want to wait until next year or the year after.

hello steve, thank you for your answer, for the aq pulse i think you are right, there will not be a sequel, but at the moment they are testing the gold pulse. there will normally be news at the end of August. I bought a second-hand fisher tdi amplified at 22 volts, regulated at 15 volts.

hello jeff, yes your solution would be good, I had heard that they had to be inspired rather by the gpx 5000 to create their new PI, and that it had to be waterproof. With a telescopic cane it would not be bad. But your idea of the tdi whites would be a good idea.

No one has information about nokta's project on their IP development.

And the release of the new impulse aq from fisher will it be released this year? ? THANK YOU

hello to all, someone has news on the new PI detector in project of NOKTA MACRO, thank you

15 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

I think there is something new, but as of now seems like maybe just a teaser.  The YouTube video Rob(CA) linked on page 1 of this thread as of a few minutes ago had the following sub-title:

So unless someone is spoofing, this was put out by Fisher.  It says '2 hours ago' so maybe updated since I watched it on Saturday.  Would be interesting if @Joe Beechnut OBN or others intimately knowledgeable with this detector can say if the one in the video is the original or has some changes.

 

THANK YOU for this new video, with this version I don't think it will be marketed in Europe or any other country other than the United States. The battery was not compliant for export.

THANK YOU TONY, IN SHORT NOTHING NEW. that's a shame. the impulse aq is too expensive for the problems it may have, and that's my opinion

HELLO, does anyone have a sale date for impulse gold, and is the price set, you are talking about 990 dollars. thank you for the information

hello, I would like to know if people use the nexus mp v2 or the mp v3 on the beaches. Is it efficient and stable when searching on sand mineralized by oxides, thank you very much

20 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

 

20 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

 

20 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

We have Valentine's day too,  here but the thing I found was an earring, not a ring and it is "Bling" which is a fancy way of saying, it's junk!!! 😄 Not real. So if I give it to her for Valentine's Day,  there will be a lot of my metal detectors for sale very cheap and I will have to sleep on your couch for a while 😐 The earring was not very deep, maybe 3 or 4"

I'm kidding, have a nice day🙂

13 hours ago, schoolofhardNox said:

You can have my tabs 😄 I could never dig it all on that beach 😲 otherwise you would see a lot more iron. Believe it or not that is the cherry picked version. I did pass on a lot of the obvious iron. Yep, PI's are not for the faint hearted. Some people using PI's, take the time and analyze their targets and they probably dig a lot less iron than I do, that's for sure. Most people  who are used to discrimination don't like PI's and go back to their detectors. Most of the veteran hunters have had experience with both (and some with BFO's too) and can handle the differences when needed.

👍

hello to you, how deep did you find the ring please. it will make a nice gift for Valentine's Day on February 14 (in France), I don't know if it exists in other countries

On 2/3/2023 at 7:49 PM, schoolofhardNox said:

Thank you. It really does show what each machine can do in about the same amount of time.  Although not a true comparison, since I can't fire up both machines on a beach at the same time.

Thanks.. Yep, unless a beach is completely sanded in, I'll be running the Manticore first and then going over it again with the GPX. The Manticore still gets me 10-12" if the EMI is mild and the sand is wet and mostly free of black sand. I think it will work well on flat beaches. I'll have to try that on a real low tide sometimes. This tide was a +0.3, so not very low at all.  But if you want deep, the GPX is the way to go. Wet sand I was hearing 15" softly, but solid.

On 2/3/2023 at 7:49 PM, schoolofhardNox said:

Thank you. It really does show what each machine can do in about the same amount of time.  Although not a true comparison, since I can't fire up both machines on a beach at the same time.

Thanks.. Yep, unless a beach is completely sanded in, I'll be running the Manticore first and then going over it again with the GPX. The Manticore still gets me 10-12" if the EMI is mild and the sand is wet and mostly free of black sand. I think it will work well on flat beaches. I'll have to try that on a real low tide sometimes. This tide was a +0.3, so not very low at all.  But if you want deep, the GPX is the way to go. Wet sand I was hearing 15" softly, but solid.

thank you for all these descriptions on your detections.👍

4 hours ago, Tony said:

Plenty detect the vast salt lakes here in Western Australia….although challenging, the extreme salt can be tamed. As well as the salt there is often a thick heavily mineralised clay/mud to deal with. If there’s that much salt content where he’s testing that is 8X typical beach then why bother testing there? A VLF has no advantage over a PI in regard to any salt content. I’m always sceptical on any testing videos 🤔

I ' m also septical because already at home on our beaches with an average salt content on the ocean, the deus 2 some complain about the stability of the detector with a high sensitivity, as also with the other vlf

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Generally speaking, the larger and higher karat gold targets don’t need a quick delay. Delays of 15uS to 20uS in conjunction with longer pulse widths are ideally suited for these types of targets. The stability you refer to is simply the salt signal decaying away and not being “heard” by longer delays. Yes, the small low conductors are not detected as deep at these settings. I guess if you’re really keen then you could run different settings or detectors over high value beaches. I’ve also noticed that the nice diamonds are nearly always set in higher karat gold….18K and up. Sometimes “less is more”.

I asked the person who published the comparison between vlf and pi on the beaches why the results of the pi were disappointing, he replied: "A high salt content 8 times higher than that of the ocean kills IP". I think he's talking nonsense, he can't have so much salt on his beach and the vlf also don't like too much salt which destabilizes them.

6 hours ago, Tony said:

This forum has a wealth of information but make sure you satisfy yourself with your needs as far as detectors go. I’m after heavy gold (18K and onwards)…..this stuff sinks fast so you need a high power PI or let Mother Nature do the sand removal for you. I generally prefer pulse delays of 15uS as a minimum or even 20uS (coupled with longer pulse widths)…….but this is me and some people prefer much faster delays (too much salt signal for me).

Hi Tony, thank you for this information, I had also read this information on this site, but the problem is that small gold objects are not detected, it's your choice. I read that with a higher delay the devices are more stable but it has the advantage of finding the biggest buried targets more easily.

thank you👍

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Running a GP3500 in “Deep” mode with the 14”DD and a fixed GB will punch deeper than a 5000 in a “Salt Mode”….salt modes will generally cripple depth. Additionally, I never use a US Nickel when assessing PI performance……I use 18K or higher gold rings. I would like to have seen more of the VLF detectors being swept away from targets to see what sort of falsing there is…..I’m sure there would have been some chirps and beeps which would demand the sensitivity be reduced. And finally, when testing, I like blind tests where the operator has no idea where targets are buried and none of this sweeping back and forth over targets……unrealistic testing in that regard. To me, it’s just another staged test……but better than most. Yeah, I’m a harsh critic but “testing” must match typical “hunting” to truly get a feel for detector performance. Steve is spot on when he talks about the VLF v PI in nice white coral sand being fairly comparable but detectors such as the SD/GP have an ability to really punch to the next level (even in these benign conditions) by brute force….Amperage to the coil and “power” pulse timings.

thank you for all this information, only enthusiasts like you or steve allows people like me to learn more👍

24 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I did not say the GPX 5000 is not as powerful as a GP 3500. I said it really is no better on larger more solid items. It is better on small gold and at handling certain hot rocks if that’s what you need.

https://www.detectorprospector.com/magazine/steves-guides/steves-guide-differences-between-minelab-sd-gp-gpx-models/

I don't have any orifer land in my area. only the gpx 5000 is still on sale and not the 3500, so a guarantee in the event of a breakdown. so for you the 3500 and more sensitive in depth to large objects as Tony also says and I saw the same conclusion on the forum as well, yet basically it's the same detector. tank you steve

Do you have the video of the comparative tests of the different vlf and pi detectors in use on the beach which was published yesterday by Relics & Rings on youtube: the pi were not that efficient

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOBsUclisLs

2 hours ago, Tony said:

Just do a quick search on “GP3500” and there’s plenty to read about…..I’m already a bit off topic.

OK

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Yup, good old GP 3500 in 2005, and really nothing is much if any better for depth on coin and ring type targets since then. It's been 18 years, and all we have done is see improvements from Minelab on hitting smaller gold or dispersed gold, but PI depth on larger targets like coins and rings has been relatively unchanged for a couple decades now.

People were skeptical back in 2005 when I was suggesting using high power Pi detectors for Civil War relic hunting. Now it's the norm in some locations.

thank you steve , you don't have a link for the creation of a waterproof box for the gpx o the forum, and why the gpx 5000 is not as powerful as the 3500. the 5000 is definitely an upgraded 3500 so must go as deep as the 3500

2 hours ago, Tony said:

I did (and still do) what Steve did many years ago and use a GP3500 on the beach. My coil of choice is the Coiltek 14” DD and a lightweight 6v Lithium battery. If EMI isn’t too bad then the 14” Mono goes on. Two silicone end covers keeps it very well sealed from salt and sand……it’s the deepest setup I’ve ever used and I’m confident would surpass the Fisher AQ in all of the lower beach and hard pan. Basic iron discrimination to several inches takes care of the bobby pins and fish hooks. It’s a formidable setup as the coil is drawing 0.75A.

thank you tony for your intervention, you don't have a photo of your box, and why the gpx 5000 is not as powerful as the 3500. the 5000 is definitely an upgraded 3500 so must go as deep as the 3500

14 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

It will depend on the targets. Depth is not that different so the ground, exact target, and coil will matter a lot. The AQ is waterproof and so if you need to submerge it is an option, as is the Garrett ATX. The GPX 5000 is a proven beach detector with a vast range of settings and coil options, making it perhaps the best choice if you do not need waterproof. The Axiom is new and relatively unproven on the beach, but may in time prove to be a good option also. I would want to see coils that do not float like a cork for at least wading use before I consider it to be a beach detector.

I think a good VLF and a good PI is what a person like me needs. Which particular VLF is not very important since they are all so good. Deus 2, Manticore, Equinox 900, Legend - just pick one you like and have faith you have a top performing VLF. For PI there also are many options, with price being the biggest factor for many people. I would caution anyone on the Impulse AQ that it has and continues to have many problems that they are working out, and a final production version of the detector has been delayed for over a year now. It may be abandoned entirely. The other options are safer choices, but again, all that matters is choosing one.

There are no magical super machines better than the rest. Metal detector technology right now is like buying a PC (personal computer). The technology is mature, and they will all do what you need them to do, even the less expensive ones. Or cell phones as another example. The new ones have new features, but do they make phone calls any better than the last one? Not really. That is where we are with metal detectors now as far as depth. New models at best might offer single digit percentage improvements in depth, not worth worrying about. The key is good locations and hours of detecting.

A note on the original thread. Garrett did release the trademark on the Gold Stinger name, so it was up for grabs. And these guys grabbed it.

THANK YOU Steve for your review. My choice of detector was made, it is the new model of the pulse aq, but apparently it may not come out. I would not buy a used one that has too many problems and no warranty. I have been considering the gpx 5000 for a long time but it is very bulky and heavy. Nokta has a project for a new pi, I hope they will release it soon, thank you again👍

7 minutes ago, JPS said:

yes I agree, but there are often iron oxides and other oxides that disturb my deus 1, that's why I'm interested in pi, moreover all people have vlf latest model especially deus 2 , so passing behind them is not interesting, with a pi I will have targets that the others did not have

 

the impulse aq which is a pi goes more than 10 cm in depth than a deus 2 on the beaches, it is sure and certain. is the axiom comparable to the impulse aq on the beaches? And is the gpx 5000 comparable to the impulse aq on the beaches?

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

For most beach detecting you will be better off with a Deus or a Manticore. A PI detector is only better in heavy magnetite, so low mineral beaches you do not see much extra depth compared to a VLF. In heavy magnetite, the PI loses less depth than a VLF. That is what people misunderstand about PI detectors. They do not go deeper exactly, they just lose less depth in bad ground compared to a PI. And no matter what, you dig less junk with a VLF. Depth is not everything unless you have unlimited time.

yes I agree, but there are often iron oxides and other oxides that disturb my deus 1, that's why I'm interested in pi, moreover all people have vlf latest model especially deus 2 , so passing behind them is not interesting, with a pi I will have targets that the others did not have

13 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Ths Stinger probably detects well enough, but at $2499 it needs to be more than just another detector. I'll let somebody else spend their money to find out. The Deus 2 is getting very good reviews as a beach detector. I think Manticore will be very good for the beach also, but needs a little more time to prove itself. I prefer wired coils for water use and so lean to Manticore, but already have the Deus 2 so I will stick with it for now.

hello steve, the deus 2 is a very good surface detector on our beaches, I discussed with an owner of deus 2 and the equinox 800. this person used the equinox 800 before and bought the deus 2. there's no doubt the deus 2 is more precise and goes slightly deeper than the equinox I've seen on the beaches. for the manticore, seeing the videos on the internet, it detects gold better in depth. have you by chance any news on the impulse aq. And do you think that the amber from the ocea will oxidize the circuits of the gpx 5000 or the axiom. a video showing the axiom on the beaches comparing it to the equinox 900. normally the axium must be more efficient because these u pi, but the targets detected by the axiom were also detected by the equinox 900, this This result is not normal, it all depends on the setting of the axiom. And axiom's comments on the beach are not many. can you tell me more about this subject level performance depth be the gpx 5000, the axiom and the impulse aq, thank you