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On 3/26/2023 at 3:48 AM, Gary XP said:

Thanks guys, I read with interest, and fully understand people are excited about new updates and future products, I can assure you XP are constantly working hard.

As with any manufacturer XP will not release information regarding updates and new products via e mail or public platform until it is time to do so. So can I politely ask for people not to send in e mails of this nature, as it ties up valuable resources.

Many thanks Gary

 

I see things a little differently. XP chose to put the cart before the horse, unveiling this product, along with another as yet unrealized product, the Go-Terrain App, back in 2016. I think it’s reasonable to begin to question after 7 years, is this product still under development. It’s also been nearly a year since the Deus II had any of its issues addressed, and no shortage of people are worried it is headed in the same direction, but I digress. A track record is developing. Of course from time to time people are going to begin wondering and inquiring. 7 years is a long time between product unveiling and wherever it is now. I think XP owe an explanation or update that should not even have to be solicited for, but I am grateful they did respond. 
 

Many inquiries are complaints in disguise. XP would be wiser than companies like Whites, Tesoro, and even First Texas Products to recognize, heed and internalize that. Each of those companies started to go off the rails when they became flippant about consumer wants and needs. When they became bigger than all that. Communication is one tool the consumer has before deciding to look elsewhere. If XP is getting so much email that it’s distracting from their ordinary course of business, they might consider whether they could issue an update, even if it is perfunctory. 

RIP Monte! My condolences to all of his friends and family. 

These models are a lot of fun for a tinkerer. I remember adding numerous features like ground balance and boost. I think we called them “Mr. Bill mods.” They are also the best in a bed of nails scenario. 

Maximum screws please! Just kidding. It looks like a labor of love to me. 

Yes, the device is Pulse Induction, but it lacks the kind of power you’re probably looking for. It sees coin sized objects only around 4”-6” from the coil in the air. I like it for what it is, compact and convenient, but it’s not in the same league as any full sized machine. 

I too have been surprised at the lack of options for backpacks that will fit even modern machines without disassembly.  You might consider this Nokta Multi-Purpose Backpack for Metal Detector https://a.co/d/7UMW8jb it’s 33x11.5x9

On 3/15/2023 at 10:31 PM, mn90403 said:

Does it matter how 'powerful' your phone is in order to run optimally?  

Better phone = better performance?

No, the brains of the operation is in the coil, with the phone acting as a passive remote. Very similar to XP machines, except Bluetooth protocol. 

1 hour ago, menyarito1 said:

a scam according to what?
Have you tried it and it didn't work?

No, but I trust engineers who know more than I do, like Dave Johnson and Carl Moreland, who have thoroughly debunked these devices as junk science. I have no dog in that fight other than to hopefully help you not make a costly mistake. 

19 hours ago, Vtcivilwar said:

I use Deep HC as my base program and tweak it a little. I am finding about 4 hours of use out of the remote. I was thinking that with the XP1 , I would run TX 3 sometimes and that would drain the coil quicker. 
so the question is, does Deep HC drain the battery quicker?

Thanks

Henry 

 

Yes, Deep High Conductors does drain the coil battery faster than most other modes, but 4 hours on the remote seems a little too quick and most likely caused by something else. 
 

They are a scam. You’d do just as well with coat hangars 

2 minutes ago, Jim in Idaho said:

I've got one of Whites original TM808's, with Cave Mode. But, I'm always looking to improve, like all of us. I have great respect for Steve H., when it comes to detector capability.

Jim

I’m interested to hear what he would say as well. 

8 minutes ago, Jim in Idaho said:

Hey Steve...in your humble opinion, is this going to offer significant improvement on the TM808?

Jim

I’ll throw my 2 cents in as well and say I doubt it would be much of an improvement, although there’s some potential for XP to develop a few digital programs for it. A cave mode would be nice. For me, the selling point is that it would work within XPs growing ecosystem. I’ve always wanted a 2 box and don’t yet have one.

So that’s exciting. At least it’s still in development. What could be the holdup though. Seems a straightforward project for a company like XP. No word on which platforms it would be designed around or if it will just work with all of them like the mi-6. Have to wonder about cost also. XP can be pricey, but then sometimes they can surprise you and be reasonable. 

I received a reply. 

I wonder where this project is now, particularly in light of the Deus 2. Would such a product be able to work on a Deus 1 and 2 remote (ORX too for that matter)? Can’t see why not since the “brains” are in the coil. I’ve been interested in this potential product for years now, but much like the Go-Terrain app, it’s yet to see the light of day. Out of curiosity I just sent an email to find out the answer to my questions. I’ll update if I receive a response. 

30 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

That's the 65cm one for the shorter diving shaft. The 115cm is what you want for the full size shaft.

Correct. If you want a black antenna for the full shaft you’re out of luck so far. 65 cm is only about 25.5 in. This would be for those who want to use it for a diving configuration. 

You can now order the new shorter black antenna from Serious Detecting while stock lasts. I just ordered mine. 
 

https://www.seriousdetecting.com/product/xp-aerial-antenna-with-65cm-cable-for-deus-ii-metal-detector/

Another consideration for a setup like this is you can’t get in the water with it. BT won’t travel under water and unlike the XP machines there’s no antenna to connect cell phone to coil. Kind of ironic as one of the things that stand out on the old packaging of this product was beads of water on the coil.

A good way to remember the difference is SAT is about the strength of the signal; recovery is about the length of the signal. SAT is about tuning out unwanted targets like hot rocks while keeping good targets like gold. Recovery is more about separation of targets.

7 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

I don't the new features of the Simplex Ultra, but if it isn't SSF, then I can't see how it will compete with the X-Terra unless the Simplex gets a significant price drop.

I don’t see it either. That’s probably why Minelab nicknamed the X-Terra project “the tormenter.” Nokta was supposed to have the new pricing out to distributors within a few days of the IWA announcement. Crickets so far. They’ve gotta be scratching their heads trying to figure out where Simplex now fits in, in the pricing order. 

In the end, it’s like Minelab said “okay, you want to take our Equinox and sell it for $500, we’ll take your Anfibio Multi and sell it for $269.” 

10 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Assuming everything is compatible and works together glitch free, still trying to figure out why I would want to pay more for a detector with less capability than the X-terra Pro (<300  Euros) and I have to still provide the physical interface myself (i.e., tie up my overutilized phone) in the process.

I would imagine what will sell it initially is the novelty of the experience and/or lack of knowledge about what competitor products look like. There are people who think they want to use their cell phone for this, but haven’t worked out the risks of dropping, muddying, and scratching a thousand dollar phone until the unit is actually in their hands and paid for. I personally wouldn’t use my iPhone for this. I would use a cheaper android and not until they build a top performing unit that is multifrequency, with color 2D target graphics, or spectrograph. Even then, I’m not sure I see the benefit over a dedicated rig like the Manticore. 

With Quest taking this project over maybe it will actually move. Predicted release is April-June this year at around 300 euros. https://treasurehuntingworld.com/2023/03/03/quest-air-quest-partners-with-ukraines-air-md/?fbclid=IwAR0qdLiNSW0_B7zo-EkPlwi8gq5ZA6GGlBEYSmlOzLVBSu51nalJckXgxTo

I was wondering what that detector on the right was all about. Now I know 

If I remember correctly, when Multi-IQ was unveiled in the Equinox, Minelab stated that although Mult-IQ was hotter on low conductors, FBS would retain a slight advantage on deep silver and salt beach stability.