☠ Cipher
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As far as single frequency metal detectors go, for my purposes, and where I’ve had the same detectors as him, my findings have been the same. The waterproofing for me is what sets it apart, but as far as it’s base performance there aren’t too many single frequency metal detectors I’d pick over the Simplex. I was hoping seeing the Simplex performing as it does for me would help you determine if it’s your machine etc. But probably our purposes and our conditions are too far apart. I didn’t find the Ace or AT series better performers than Simplex here for example. In fact I’d be upset if I were told I had to go back to them.
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This was a decent test. I like his test garden. He’s done many machines. My soil seems about on par with his.
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On 4/8/2022 at 6:27 PM, phrunt said:
I am jealous, I'd like to get myself an Atrex. Please keep us all informed how you go with it.
It’s got my interest. Daniel Spencer of The Searcher gave it an glowing review saying “the technology is amazing” and that “it sets new depth and sensitivity boundaries.” That’s very intriguing. I don’t like that it’s not waterproof. The last remaining machine I have that’s not waterproof is the V3i, of which the Atrex kind of reminds me in some ways. It’s also around $1500. It would have to be all Daniel says it is for me to invest that much again after purchasing the Deus 2. I might find all my equipment on the lawn one day if I keep this up haha.
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I think highly of the Simplex, but only as a value for the dollar type of deal. I would never compare it to machines like Equinox, Deus, or CTX. It is as you say more properly compared with other single frequency machines. What I like about it is that it is waterproof, compact, and stout, so I can take it to freshwater spots with rough terrain (underwater rocks, boulders and such) and not worry about it. It’s a dig it all machine past a certain depth, you’re correct, so I wouldn’t ever use it to cherry pick, unless for shallow targets. It is deep for its price point, but the target ID fades pretty fast, and I don’t always want to dig everything, particularly deep signals and waste my time. So I save it for places where digging everything is appropriate, like swimming holes where I’m likely to find gold jewelry.
That being said, it is a machine capable of pulling what many would consider “top pocket finds.” I can’t deny it that. A properly running unit in the hands of a properly acquainted user should be able to pull anything from old silver to ancient Roman coinage. It did ID a deep(ish) mercury dime as a mid conductor on my end for example, but it hit it nonetheless. Same with a Barber Quarter and other deep silver. They tend to ID as mid to low conductors at the depths I found them, but Simplex was capable of reaching them. This was the same kind of experience I had with the F75, so I didn’t think much of it other than that I have a waterproof version for much less money.
Since my purchase though, I’ve chosen to leave it as it is. My investments have gone elsewhere. Backup and alternative pinpointers, diggers, coils for other machines, and XP Deus 2. Additional coils for Simplex other than the SP24 haven’t been on my radar for long. I probably wouldn’t even buy the SP24 unless it was used and highly discounted.
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1 minute ago, F350Platinum said:
And you may have a point there. Maybe it's the Equinox and now the Deus setting it off. I'll try placing the detector further away🤔
That would be interesting. Let us know what you find out. I’m seriously entertaining adding this pinpointer to my collection.
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2 hours ago, F350Platinum said:
I like my X pointer Max, I'm also waiting for palzynski's review. I did review it at length:
Argh, not good at inserting posts. 😀 Not onea the cool guys yet... 🤔
It is quirky as all get out. Had to turn the sensitivity down to high from boost. Another user said he cuts it back to low or medium., It goes insane quickly even then, haven't tried lower. I've seen the Propointer AT with wireless do this too. Just starts beeping. I have to turn it off and on again, and while concentrating on my dig it's tough to find the on/off button.
That aside I always have it with me for those deep holes and iffy signals. One time it netted me a tiny thin silver ring in a hole full of iron bits, and many times it has saved me from further digging on large iron. I like how rugged it is.
Would I make it my only pinpointer? Nope. I think that the old Propointer AT is still the best that I have used, and the XP MI-6 is growing on me. Wish I could get my hands on a White's Bullseye TRX, but I'm good for now. 😀
I've been watching Quest for updates or fixes but I don't think any are forthcoming.
You make a point worth considering here regarding the wireless integration. Could that extra EMI be inhibiting some pinpojnters from accomplishing stability at max depth?
I have two TRXs and a Tek Point, powerful pinpointers as well. I can use them on max settings with minimal instability if any at all. However, there seems to be no shortage of those saying these units are also too unstable and false at the highest settings for them in their environment.
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Watching this review really made me want one. It seems to accomplish what Minelab kind of missed, and that is the ability to discriminate at a good distance from the object. This is what the ProFind 35 should’ve been. With Boost engaged this beast will easily hit a coin at 4”. The LCD seems super helpful in many ways, from determining what settings are what, and adding a visual dimension to discrimination. The price also seems very reasonable relative to what it does. Sooner or later I’m going to have to have one. But I already have 4 pinponters here and a Mi6 on the way to make 5. What justification can I come up with to own this too? 😊 but anyway, what do you guys think…does this represent the ideal pinpointer? Will it lead to a new era in pinpointer design? Will an LCD and ever advancing discrimination become standard after this?
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What firmware has this issue been affecting?
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1 hour ago, Chase Goldman said:
IAR and threshold on the D2 VCO modes (Gold Field, Relic) is a completely different beast than it is on the D1/ORX. The threshold, unfortunately, is just a reference tone and does not break or null.
Why do you suppose they might have done this? Do you think this could change with future updates?
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I found myself spending a small fortune in a hurry, but I’m pretty happy with everything I have coming. Because of the portability of the Deus 2 I have to order the rucksack/backpack. The finds pouch looks well made too.
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6 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:
I wanted to buy that headphone adapter from that link. Unfortunately the flat rate shipping charge on what could be put in an envelope was outrageous. 😵 It was much more than the item.
Yes, unless you’re going to spend their set minimum amount they will charge you shipping. In that case you’d be better off buying on eBay or other sites. I may update links with the best deals on each item individually as well.
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I’ve confirmed that any items I list which state they are for Deus 1 and WS4 are also compatible with Deus 2 and WS6. I’ve provided links if you want to take a closer look at any items, but encourage you to shop around for the best deal. Some shops have a minimum purchase price before free shipping kicks in.
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-mi-6-waterproof-pinpointer-metal-detector?___SID=U
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-ws4-wireless-headphone-adapter
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-2-remote-control-headphone-jack-adapter
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-silicone-wristband-for-ws4
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-ws4-stem-mount-support?___SID=U
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-deus-2-bh-01-bone-conduction-waterproof-headphones?___SID=U
https://www.metaldetector.com/xp-metal-detectors-finds-pouch?___SID=U
https://bigboyshobbies.net/xp-backpack-240
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It’s been about a year since I posted about my sentimental regret over the F75 LTD. These days I can honestly say I no longer miss it. I did end up buying the Simplex, and consider it a far better deal than the F75. I still have my Nox 800, CTX-3030, V3i, and now have added the Deus 2. I’m trying very hard not to make any hasty decisions about my other machines particularly the Nox 800, thinking the Deus 2 might replace it. If it doesn’t I’ll be kicking myself until I replace it.
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On 4/2/2022 at 2:46 AM, Florin said:
Hello
I have a minelab ctx3030
can someone please tell me what do I need to change in the settings so i can use the metal detector at maximum manual sensitivity because now it’s hitting all the time targets…. And another friend of mine did some setting and he doesn’t have this problem but he doesn’t know what he changed.
If I switch back to Auto sensitivity it doesn’t hit nothing only if he feels a real target
If I understand you correctly you want to be able to switch from auto sensitivity to manual sensitivity to gain extra depth over the lower auto sensitivity setting. If that’s the case, I’ve included a screen shot of page 21 of the CTX manual with instructions on how to do that. Theoretically you could experience some instability if you do this. If you don't, then no worries. If you do, I’d suggest a new noise cancel and ground balance. That’s probably why ground balance instructions are given next. If you continue to experience instability after that you may need to back down on sensitivity until you achieve stability again.
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I’ve had a similar question since the Deus 2 was announced, is can it replace my Equinox, including for depth, or should I keep both. I’ve found the answers to be all over the map. There are credible people conducting credible tests showing Deus 2 hitting deeper than equinox by a significant margin, and others saying essentially what I’ve seen in this thread so far. What accounts for that I would guess must be environment and software version. The software issue is another that’s all over the map, with some saying nothing’s changed for them and others saying they’ve experienced a significant loss of depth, tone smearing, and quirky operation. Some of those guys I’m too well acquainted with to think they are making it up.
Im very new to the platform at the moment, and I’ve mentioned before that high conductor signals were gone from my lawn, so much has it been hunted. The Deus 2, albeit with very modulated audio is giving me high conductor hits with VDI. Hopefully things will dry out here for a while in upstate NY so I can find out what they truly are. What I do know is that my Deus 2 with 9” coil air tests better than my Equinox with 11” coil, but again with the way I’m currently set up, more modulated audio than I’m used to. Air tests are usually more instructive in mild conditions such as your own than for my neck of the woods.
On the other hand, if you’re getting hits on 16” dimes that’s really about as good as you’re going to get with any machine. I’m certainly not getting that here. I’d be lucky to see 10”.
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1 hour ago, relicmeister said:
It’s still amazing to me you can control the detector by them.
This is what I like about them. You can use it to wirelessly use whatever headphones you DO like, you can control the unit from them, and for less than half the cost of a Deus 2 you can create a Deus 2 Lite for backup and Tagalongs with the purchase of a shaft and coil. You could mount 9” on one and 11” on the other.
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I got my Deus 2 with 9” coil. Apparently the last shipment had lots of them. I’m impressed with the depth it gets for its size. I think I’ll skip the 11” coil altogether and when I go for something larger it will be the 13”. 9 and 13 seem a good combo.
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21 hours ago, Johnnysalami1957 said:
I'm definitely getting a DEUS II. I need the lightest machine available because of a worn out shoulder being replaced soon.
Should I wait until the supposed bugs are addressed like lower shaft flex and other issues? Maybe other coil options I don't know.
I’m usually not an early adopter, if for no other reason, it has been because I like a good deal, so I wait for gently used to come up on the market. I’ve only bought 2 detectors brand new. One was the equinox and the other is the Deus 2. On both accounts I’m happy to have been an early adopter. The one caveat with the Deus 2 is I have not downloaded the “big numbers” update. I’m very happy on the earlier 0.6 version, even if they did nothing else to it. In a short time, I’m sure they will start shipping with the big number update and some people have complained about a loss of depth and other performance characteristics. Others say they haven’t experienced this. I can’t comment because I haven’t experienced it for myself.
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On 3/8/2022 at 9:45 PM, JCR said:
That's great. Don't let other people decide what is obsolete! The AT Pro is a good machine in the right places.
I found my first silver with the AT Pro. If I were told it’s the only machine I could ever use I wouldn’t be too sad about it. My only comment on obsolescence would be that the price should reflect that competition has now entered the marketplace. But as single frequency metal detectors go, it’s as good as it gets really.
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1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:
Did all the negative response to the White's Vision family result in a significant impact of all future MF detectors? I never really understood the public's dislike of that detector's settings options
When it comes to the V series, they tend to be fine in mild ground. With the right coil, even great. But as conditions worsen, moderate to harsh, or rapidly changing, they just don’t perform as well as other multifrequency designs. One of the Engineers, Geotech, explains that it’s the result of poor filtering of the frequencies, leading to frequency crosstalk, making a good ground balance especially difficult. If it were a better performer in such conditions I believe the complexity would’ve been forgiven. I have one and I love it, but I also have 0-2 bar soil, and rarely have opportunity to get to a saltwater beach. As they are, complex with compromised performance in difficult ground, the V series lends to too much chasing one’s tail for many people. For them, more time is spent looking for the holy grail setup than detecting.
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I just happened to notice that both Equinox models went up another $50, from $949 to $999 for the 800. That makes a $100 price increase since it was launched at $899. I saw the first price hike as possibly a little opportunism, taking advantage of the popularity of the model, and lack of competition. This one I assume is related to the price increase and super high demand for chips. Garrett also raised their prices. Still, this would seem an inopportune time to raise prices. The Legend at $635 so far seems to be running neck and neck with the Equinox 800 performance wise, but with a higher build integrity. There are an awful lot of people talking about selling the Equinox they already have to buy a Legend. Prospective buyers now also have to consider a $364 price difference on top of it. The Equinox 600 now sits at $699, still $64 more than a Legend with less features and the same build quality concerns. Gas prices are up, inflation is soaring, and the competition has caught up. Seems like it would’ve been a better decision to give up a little profit margin, not raise prices, particularly where the volume of future sales is now in doubt. Garrett’s decision is also puzzling in light of the Simplex. They have to be feeling it right in the AT. It would seem that if the Simplex wasn’t the final nail in that series, the Legend might be.
The Equinox now also has competition from XP with the Deus II. Contact the right dealer and you could have a Deus II for as low as $1450-$1500. Buy an Equinox 800 at $1000 and you may have to invest another couple hundred to address build issues. The actual difference between the two may be less than it first appears, for a machine with 6 times the underwater depth rating, also so far running neck and neck performance wise, and at times with a notable advantage. That’s my take anyway. It just seems like bad business to make a key product less attractive by raising the price with no change or improvement to known issues.
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If you buy an extra hip mount case you can cut it down to fit perfectly as a mountable case. The hip mount case is only around $16.
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