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☠ Cipher

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    Current Machines: CTX-3030, Equinox 800, Spectra V3i, XP Deus 2, Simplex. Pinpointers: Bullseye TRX, Tek-Point, PulseDive, XP Mi6

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  1. https://www.facebook.com/MinelabMetalDetectors/?mibextid=LQQJ4d
  2. I think this is bound to happen. According to Tom D, the highest he could run the Manticore even In his mild Florida soil was around 28. That leaves 7 more levels to drive it into instability. Sounds like it might’ve been better to cap sensitivity at 30 rather than 35. On the bright side Tom also said that equinox and manticore have equivalent sensitivity at equivalent settings, that 21 on equinox is pretty close to 21 on the manticore for example. Equinox for me became unstable after 22. If manticore can run up to 28, the claims about increased depth might just pan out, particularly if they’ve made the progress in EMI and ground mitigation he’s hinting at. Those were the two areas of intense focus on this machine’s development according to Tom’s early posts about involvement with this project. Without progress in those areas extra power is for naught. But anyway, I see it coming. This machine can be overdriven in the extreme, and we are going to see lots of people doing that, then complaining about instability. For myself though, I’d rather have the option to overdrive it than to wonder if something more is being left on the table.
  3. The Legend price to performance and features does have a psychological effect on higher purchase decisions. It does cause you to stop and think “is this machine really worth $1,000 more?” From my perspective I’ve accepted that features like 2D target mapping and incremental tweaks to performance are going to cost me a premium. That and I’ve never been able to get comfortable with Nokta Makros predatory pricing strategy as I’m not convinced it’s as much designed to benefit the consumer as it is an attempt at underselling the competition out of business. I could be mistaken on that, but can’t get that idea out of my head, so I’ve chosen to ignore the Legend (though not without temptation). Even so, over the long term competitors like Minelab can only deal with Nokta Makros strategy in one of two ways. They can either lower their prices as well or innovate their way out of it. If they choose to innovate I’m going to support it because that will push the industry forward more than lower cost renditions of previous generation technologies.
  4. All those features have me very exited. Just what is known so far and Minelab’s proven track record has me convinced this machine will have a place in my arsenal, and possibly, hopefully on the top shelf. These combined features are exactly what we’ve been asking for, for many years. I’m more excited about this than I was the Deus 2. I’m surprised more people aren’t as excited as I am.
  5. Either way, Mark Laurie has also definitely stated that it is pushing more power than the Equinox as well. I just don’t expect that to make a significant difference whether it’s 5% or 50% because of the inverse 6th power law, unless they’ve also made significant strides in EMI and ground mitigation.
  6. In terms of the 50% increase in power, I don’t read into that as resulting in a truly substantial, rather than minor or incremental, increase in depth over equinox. In the words of Dave Johnson “Getting extra depth out of a VLF, multifrequency, or PI machine is very difficult, because these machines follow an inverse 6th power law relationship between signal voltage and depth. If everything else is maintained equal, doubling the depth requires 64 times as much signal. If this is done by increasing transmitter power, doubling depth requires 4,096 times as much battery drain. That’s the basic reason why depth increases come so slowly in this industry.” We also have to consider that some of that extra power will be sucked up by the new dynamic screen. That aside, from what I’ve seen so far this looks like what I’ve been hoping for from Minelab. I’m all in and can’t wait to get my hands on it. Glad I saved my pennies.
  7. A better look at “target trace” in this video around 10:30
  8. Very sharp looking machine and Steve doing a demo Garrett Axiom Quick Facts, Owner's Manual, Etc.
  9. If this wasn’t meant to be personally offensive, it was a poor choice of words.
  10. I was careful to say that it hasn’t happened here on this forum, though I have not posted much here either. When it happens, it is local social media pages. I sure didn’t mean to imply it happens to everyone all the time. I’m not sure what the point of your post is other than to take the long way around calling me a liar. A rare occurrence it may be, but it has happened to me. I have a track record here, and I’m not known for wild dirt fishing tales or exaggeration. It’s just not even the kind of person I am. I’ll leave it at that.
  11. It is, and in the end everything will find its place. We just don’t like anything that reflects poorly on us or our hobby. Those of us who stick with this are good people who provide valuable services to the public. We rescue history, we put recyclable metals back in circulation, we clean up bodies of water, parks and playgrounds where someone could step on something and children could stumble into dangerous items. Where we can, we return valuable property back to their owners when we could just as well keep them. There’s an integrity within us that gets more joy out of reuniting someone with something they lost. There are some bad apples out there for sure, but they tend not to frequent metal detecting forums and lose interest in a hobby that requires attributes they don’t have.
  12. Ideally I would love to share all my finds. In 10 years I’ve found a lot of nice things, and even some rare and valuable things. Inevitably once I post rare and valuable historical items I come under local pressure to donate them with the argument that “history belongs to us all.” There’s a part of me that agrees with that statement. There’s another part of me that thinks history belongs to those who seek it. I put in the work to seek it out and retrieve it, and I should be able to be the one to share it until I choose to pass it on how I see fit. We share our finds in part to share history with others in our own way. We become attached to those items and proudly display them. The last thing many of us want are entities laying claim to our finds, guilt tripping us or suggesting that it now belongs to everyone, and keeping it is somehow wrong. Yet this has happened to me enough times (never here) that I feel burned for sharing anything. I just wonder if any of you have had the same experience. It’s a kind of catch 22 where both arguments have merit. Regardless, I follow the law. There’s no crime here in holding on a valuable historical find. If it answers some kind of important question or fills in an important gap, then I’d err more on the side that it belongs to everyone. Either way we should have some time to enjoy the spoils. That’s my thought for the day.
  13. The major UI difference between the Deus II and Legend are layered menu vs having all features available in one screen. The latter does seem to be easier to master for most people, at least from a navigational standpoint. I’m fine with either UI as long as features aren’t being compromised for lack of space to display them. The most difficult part of Deus II for me was learning to navigate to the features I want to change. Not having a Legend I can’t compare the two beyond that, but I’m not a person who thinks Nokta Makro can’t come close enough to Deus II performance to be a true competitor for only $635. Clearly they can from what I’m seeing and hearing even though they didn’t begin with the Deus II in mind. What made the major difference for me is the Deus’ legendary iron performance, the dive rating giving me enough depth to use my Hookah setup to the fullest, the ergonomics and aesthetic look of the machine, ability to make a Deus II Lite backup from the puck, and the consistent evolution of XP platforms. The updates never stop with XP. I also like the idea of future cell phone app integration and development for the platforms. To me those things were worth the difference. I could just own them both, but only if I were gaining something I don’t already have. So far, I haven’t seen anything I don’t already have in the Equinox and Deus II. I would just be buying it because I want to own them all just to have them. I keep a close eye on Legend nonetheless, waiting for that one feature that pushes me over the edge into purchase.
  14. As long as we are dealing with true simultaneous multifrequency a spectrograph should be feasible. Last we heard from Carl he had stated that the Equinox was simultaneous, rather than sequential. I’m assuming the same is true of Legend. Sequential would be trickier, but even FBS machines have a hidden menu with spectrograph. At least there are pictures of it in the wild. Minelab purportedly doesn’t agree that it’s a useful or reliable tool. But you do have me to wondering now if there isn’t something else stopping others from implementing it and what it would be. Once used, it becomes clear that it is a useful discrimination feature. And multifrequency pinpoint no motion is amazing in commingled targets.
  15. I’m not yet a Legend user, and not sure I will be, but I own several multifrequency machines, and so I have a request for the next generation. Give us a multichannel spectrograph displaying each frequency to target reaction. It’s one thing Whites had right, and if you ask anybody what they did like about the V3i and VX3 that spectrograph tops the list. To do this you’d have to give away what frequencies are actually running simultaneously, but frankly forgoing features like this to hide this information would just be silly anyway as it is fairly easily obtained by Geotech and others. By now we know these machines aren’t using every frequency available all the time and the real magic is in the processing algorithms. Secrecy there is understandable, and still leaves plenty of room for marketing. Even if the powers that be were to insist the frequencies remain secret a spectrograph could still be utilized by simply labeling the spectral lines “high” and “low.” Anyway, that’s my two cents. I believe it’s a very useful discrimination tool, and it need not be married to complexity, nor presented in color to be effective. I wish it weren’t too late to incorporate it into Legend because it would set it over the top. I imagine it was because it wasn’t requested often enough, but it’s a fair point to ask how many people have used a $1500 V3i to know they want a spectrograph and what it does. Relatively few know what they are missing.
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