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With all the Equinox hype, these seem to have being overlooked, if true that is. I cant find anything on Minelab website.

http://allmetalmode.com/mikes-blog/2017/09/16/minelab-pro-pointer-35-my-pinpointer-dream-come-true/

Has anybody thought that the Equinox just might be the little brother of a new Minelab flagship?

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Those that know won't talk, and those that talk don't know. Only three days to go so rather than speculate I will just wait. The only real clue I know of is the decision on where to announce the machine - a detector rally in the U.K.

But the speculation and all the crazy ideas is great fun 

https://hobby-detecting.com/what-will-minelab-show-in-september-2017-in-the-uk-new-detector-2018/

Add the Rutus Alter 71 to Steve's list.

Not having to take out a mortgage to buy one would be nice.

Why blame engineers when it the job of PR and advertising?

Something must be in the air, I also had my worst start to the year ever, beach wise that is. First quarter was also a blank, zero gold or silver. Thankfully my dry spell was broken with this week with an 1929 4.25g 9 karat.

6 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Well, $3500 beats $12000, that is for sure! So, are you getting one so we can get a report? Or know anybody that is?

When it finally comes out i will consider it but at that price i think i will be waiting for a few reports first. I have become very sceptical about claims being made by certain companies. Sure the Signum is the most powerfull detector i have ever used but i have yet to find sites that power can be used. Most of the time you end up trying to calm the beast. My openion is the Sorex is a more user friendly machine and still as deep in most situations.

The 12k price was just a number plucked from the air over on another forum, but somehow it done the rounds, latest from AKA is that the Intronik will be in the $3000-$3500 range for the top model and also a lite version will be produced without the deep hoard hunting capabilities.

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30 minutes ago, Reno Chris said:

Plus in Australia they speak a language that is almost English. 

 

A bit like the US so

15 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

More on this idea of AKA going something with the ground range that other detectors discard out of hand. Here is XP making the same claim about the DEUS:

"GOLD FIELD uses another detection method designed for searching highly mineralised ground which is often where gold nuggets are found. In these conditions, targets can be seen as ground mineralisation or ferrous objects, especially when they are deep. To go deeper in these difficult conditions, the "Gold Field" program uses a true All Metal mode that allows you to accept a zone of ground that is usually not available. Instead of rejecting all the ground values below a predetermined value (as on conventional detectors), it rejects only the specific value of ground in which you are searching, which means you have to adjust precisely. To facilitate the ground balance (essential in this program), *pressing will make an immediate acquisition of the ground value within one or 2 pumps of the coil."

I asked for clarification on what's this "ground zone" over on another forum, now translations can be difficult at time but what I got out of sounds exactly like what XP are saying above, its all about a nervy narrow band of ground rejection.

43 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Why not we accept your word for it and you tell us more about AKA as you learn more about them? My hands are plenty full with projects right now. Surely you can report on detectors as well as I.

If I was able to put my thoughts down on paper properly I would for sure, see how hard I got it to try and explain the so called "ground zone" above LOL. I am highly dyslexic so converting thoughts to the pen is difficult. Its being a while since I done a report on anything but, you know what I might give it a go and see how I get on, might take a while though.

Also AKA only do VLF's so I think we are being fed a load of BS.

Cheers Carl, I was hoping you would join in, I look like a fool now  dam deep detectors though what ever way they do it.

5 minutes ago, Geotech said:

Fisher CZ and White's DFX/V3 all simultaneously transmit & receive 2 (or 3) frequencies at the same time, and use continuous-time (so-called frequency domain) demodulators. What I call "Concurrent MultiFrequency," or CMF.

Minelab BBS/FBS/FBS2 all sequentially transmit & receive 2 frequencies, and use discrete-time demodulators. What I call "Sequential MultiFrequency," or SMF.

Well that solves that so, lesson learned the Ruskies are full of it

Its so long since I used a Whites, an XLT back in the 90 that I forgot the low negative range. One difference though AKA put it up into the high positive range. Not a clue what Nokta do. How about trying one out? and seeing what most AKA users see and that being a serious deep machine. I know there is no dealer network in the US, but we do in Europe, other makes do not either and are widely accepted in the US.

27 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

How do AKA "single frequency units include the "ground zone" in their detection range that other companies eliminate" and how does this make them superior?

Again I am not a detector engineer but I will try my best at explaining this. The ground zone is a detection zone between high conductors and iron on the conductivity scale. Most manufacturers totally eliminate this zone because it results in a lot of falsing resulting from ground conditions. AKA have somehow managed to include this zone without all the falsing, one of the reasons why proper GB is critical on AKA units.

As targets get closer to the limits of detection they go from the non ferrous range to the ferrous range as per traditional detectors but in fact, what really happens they go from non ferrous to the ground zone then to the ferrous zone before being lost at depth. So detectors that include this ground zone will have an extra bit of depth over ones that eliminate it.

Is this all bull, I dont know for sure, its only something I picked up from the AKA lads. I do not that AKA's have being the deepest VLF detectors I have ever used and they tend to get a lot more falsing very high up in the conductivity scale over other detectors.

54 minutes ago, Shelton said:

Update is ready. You can download it right now!

And here is the link

http://www.xpmetaldetectors.com/metal-detector/deus-update/

Steve I think you have hit the nail on the head there, AKA, yes it AKA by the way, have they developed some way of ground compensation that is ahead of others, maybe? They certainly have done it with single frequency units by including the "ground zone" in their detection range that other companies eliminate, so is it feasible to say that their multi frequency units will include something others have missed? time will tell but by looking are various claims and videos, there just might be some substance to it?

Saying all that leads me back to the original question, does the tech being used compensate grounds better than existing tech. Most grounds have some sort of mineralisation and compensating for this better could actually push the bar out a bit further than single frequency units on ground with any form of mineralisation?

29 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Not the part about being first. Where do you figure White's, Fisher, and Minelab "do not do so in real life"?

LOL don't shoot the messenger, not me Steve, the Engineer in question quoted this, but I think the emphasis being this tech will the first ever to transmit and sample at the SAME time, which implies others alternate between either transmit or sampling the different frequencies???

Once again I am just wondering is there any substance in these claims? and if so would it have any benefit to us detectors? How does the depth claims on the 0.4g nugget stack up against existing tech?

Like most others this tech stuff goes over my head a bit, I come from a mechanical engineering background not an electronic one. I know this sounds just like other multi frequency detectors, but according to this engineer, he claims that this detector is the

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first ever detector to simultaneously transmit and receive 2 frequencies at the same time

Whites, Fisher and Minelab multi frequencies have also being quoted in that they do not do so in real life thus this is first ever truly real multi frequency detector. Hence why I am asking is there any substance in these statements?

I wont mention the brand for fears of any bias against the manufacturer. This is one for the tech heads on here, what does the following quote mean to you, is there any substance in it?

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Referring to (engineers name omitted), there are 2 rotating fields (High and Low frequencies) both set at "super" position in 1 point. 2 signals obtained from (detector name) coil are mathematically processed and merged into 1 signal that is displayed and sounded by detector

Now here is one for the nugget hunters on here, how does this compare to existing top of the line gold detectors?

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DD coil with upper frequency 45 kHz is designed to be used on conductive grounds.

Even slightly conductive grounds make such extra sensitive frequencies as 40-50 kHz useless in ground conditions especially within ferroxide mineralization.

Subject *** DD coil produces the same "air" depth in ground conditions even if they are conductive and mineralized at the same time.

Technical parameters of the coil

Size: 6"x10", its performance is equal to round 7,5" coil
Simultaneous Frequencies: 2,5 kHz and 45 kHz running at once
Depth in ground: gold nugget with size of match head and gross weight 0,4 gram / 12 cms

*** suppresses influence of conductive and mineralized grounds perfectly without depth loss. That is why coils with such high frequencies could be used in hash conditions. *** technology has great potential in gold prospecting

I think, *** will be a gold prospecting metal detector as well.

Very nice, I would be very happy with that any day, in this part of the world. People look at Europeans, with envy, finding hammered silver coins but, believe me, milled silvers are a lot harder to find and prized a lot more.

For me its just to be able to detect in peace without the fear of prosecution.