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Good eye candy.  Nice result but I'm sure you would have liked more.

And I was just going to have a bit of time to come over and see you ...

Montana would be a bit too far ... haha

Erik had to wear something to scare the crocks away!

The fish might have looked on him as bait.

1 hour ago, Erik Oostra said:

I even had to wear thongs.

Oh ... too much information!

I have always wondered if the Garrett pinpointers actually make Garrett the overall sales leader in metal detectors.  I know they last a long time but I've had 3-4 of them over the years and now I have a knockoff but I don't use a pointer or carry one now.

It sure sounds like a good group going to be out there over the weekend.  It would be nice to make it but that weather ...

How long before AI is on a chip?

Can we have AI now on a detector connected to our phone or directly to the net?

Where's that EMI?  I really need it now.  haha

There is a writer's strike looming.  In the event it takes place could AI be used in place of contracted writers?

Would the computer operator who requested a particular story get a credit as a writer?  Should that person honor the strike rules?

Will AI organize itself into a trade group or union?  Would we be able to use AI during a strike?

I have a few pieces that I won't tumble.

Here is the new Bing Chat AI.  It wants to keep your eye balls on the site and have you click on their ads to make money.  That is the basic internet model that will be with us for a while.

What can the new Bing chat do? - Search

3 minutes ago, jasong said:

Can you imagine if my AI actually did hire like 20 people to go out and walk around a random, remote location in the woods, looking for Fenn's treasure?

What if they kept the treasure or they didn't tell you they found it?  Will the AI understand contract law?  

All SEO companies will find a way to become a AID companies.  Artificial Intelligence Directing so the technology can be monetized.

How will AI be monetized?  Subscription only?

What about its use with investments?  It has been said that many market swings are the result of trading programs.  Are these trading programs to now be designed and administered by AI?

When the stakes are as high as a passenger jet vs a taxi AI you have to go slowly.

I was doing a search last night for auto parts and I ended up on Bing.  Bing said it is now AI assisted.  It still gives you results with sponsors first.  What we don't know is what determines the rest of the rankings and how you get your page moved up to the top of the AI sites.

I once worked for a tea company and we paid a firm in India to get our pages ranked higher.

I wonder what one of the AIs would say is the highest 'rated' or 'ranking' websites for metal detecting would be?

It does seem clear through the questions asked so far that some of the semantics and additional queries needed in a basic search engine are not necessary in an AI.  You still could be missing results by default as we know from Google.

I think that it is clear that AI is already 'creating' content and art.  What I haven't seen demonstrated so far on the net, media and on this thread that it can 'find' with only the information available on the net.

If you gave AI the Forest Fenn puzzel, could it find the treasure?  Could it find sunken ships?  What if a treasure map was never published?  What will AI get for clues other than from the net.

I watch AI powered autos/taxis here several times a day.  One system is WAYMO.  The other day I saw an AI driverless (driver in the seat) car sitting at some railroad tracks not moving.  I'm not ready to bet my life on those systems if I go more than 25 miles an hour.

Years ago there was a big competition between search engines before Google took over completely.  There were a few designers who had some great ideas and you could get results that weren't revenue/contribution results.  Sponsor results didn't exist.

AI WILL favor sponsors.  Facts will be altered and cherry picked.  The internet is that way already.

Will AI play the role of a social influencer?  Will it become quoted on the nightly news?  Will it be the Bloomberg of the next generation?

Academia is already seeing the scourge of answer driven research.  An answer is sought and facts are massaged to get the desired answers.  Company executives have been put in prison.

I hope that AI training will discount consensus 'facts' and allow bonified research and researchers to both make mistakes and correct theories that become right.  Sometimes the smartest person in the room is the outlier/oddball.  

Time to follow.

Good stuff.  I don't have the time to explore it.

I'll mostly watch you guys do it here.

Thanks.

Is there a link?

Say what?  Simon sitting out on the purchase of a detector?  Say it's not true ... loudly.

Come on Simon, who is believing this?  haha

I've met the Quest people years ago.  They were at a different location then closer to me.  I tested a few items for them and have offered to test more but we didn't stay in touch so I don't know much about this new crop of detectors.

Thanks Simon.  It is 'odd' to see a place not covered by snow.  You'll have to look through your old pictures and show us what it looks like in snow.

The 'top' with the piece of chain you found reminds me of a canteen chain.  Its design was to be strong and prevent the chain from cutting but it looks like that one broke off.  The cap doesn't appear to have a water seal or screw so maybe it is just a protective cap?

I'll have to look up other finds you've made with your Manticore.  I don't have one yet.

Hello,  I've been to Franconia many times and I have a plan to go back in the next couple of months.  The way I hunt it now is different than the first few times.  It is a large area that holds meteorites from more than one source as it seems.

Here is a reference database that describes meteorites from all over the world.  You can download files from it that will work as a layer on Google Earth.

Meteoritical Bulletin: Search the Database (usra.edu) 

I searched for Franconia and only found one entry.  A name associated with many meteorite discoveries at Franconia and Gold Basin is Robert Verish.  He would be a good name to look up as he has many pictures and slices on the internet.

The following are some directions to how I go into Franconia these days.  I get off the I40 and go North until I get to the RR Tracks.  I go to the right until I get to the RRXing.  I cross the tracks and turn to the left (west) and use the upper track road until it drops down to the dirt wash again.  (I don't know what the rains might have done to it this winter so be careful.)

Now that you are on the north side of the tracks you go for 2-300 yards or so and come to a choice of roads.  You take a small road that goes UP 80 feet or so and then it levels off and you follow that road until you come to a circle with signs that say Wilderness.  You can't drive any closer than that and be legal.

When you stop there several cars can park and you will be about 3 miles or so north of the I40.  Hike across those deeper washes to the North and East and you can find meteorites with metal detectors.  The first portion is mostly irons (small, highly magnetic pieces) and the more east you go the closer you get to the center of the chondrite field.  Some patches out there have been highly gridded removing most of the original meteorites so keep trying to find a less hunted area.

If you don't want to go up the steep little road you can follow the bigger roads up to the north.  They go up several miles.  I've hunted up there also and while less dense there can be some good meteorites found up there.  Just stop at any likely spot and mostly walk East towards Kingman.

If you send me a PM with your phone I can send you a map pinpoint for the first location.

I hope this helps.

Mitchel

Read that.

There must have been a 'hoard' of people out there after the initial discovery.  They could have been out there in the weeeee hours of the morning to get their share.

Here is a collection of finds that have been published many times before but it is always nice to review them and click on some new links in each of the finds.

8 Discoveries Made with Metal Detectors (history.com)

You did good.  It does feel good too.  A spring break save!

Next time remember to turn your face to the sun.  Your memory will look better.

I've had people come up to me on the beach often for help finding their lost ring or keys.  I'd say I'm somewhere under 50% on the finding part.  Most of the time that is because someone doesn't know where they lost the item.

If you can get someone to remember exactly where they were sitting or playing it makes a big difference.

Mitchel

There are several threads here with gold found from the mouth.  It is a wonder sometimes how it gets to the place where you find it.

I've seen two faces in it and I'm sure there are more!

8 hours!  I can't imagine that long of a hunt right now for a couple of reasons.  Family and sanded in beaches.

Your results are worth the effort.  We'll miss your beach posts once they kick you off.

Mitchel