Here is a bit of a different category for metal detectors.  I don't think it deserves its own thread but let's see what Steve thinks.

Metal in food detecting.

https://www.tdipacksys.com/inspection-systems/metal-detectors

What are the reports about using the V3 and the 15" coil?  I think I will try it in a few hours.

You can see the early morning shadows are longggggggg.

1 hour ago, King-Of-Bling said:

Those are some pretty good scuffs and gouges on your boots. What exactly are you doing to get those ? Is there a particular reason why you wear calf boots ? Had a buddy that wore them because he was afraid to get sand , dirt on his feet. My laughing and the heat soon cleared that hurdle.

I fill my holes.  Sometimes there are rocks and big shells and I don't want to push them with my bare feet or with a soft diving shoe.

No Aquaseal at my store.  They will have it Wednesday.

I just posted a topic about finally finding some gold after several times to the beach.  I found more than that this time.  Just after I found the only ring of the session I looked up and saw an awful sight.

The beach area I was now in is an 'all night' area and someone had been there through the night.  They had also been there with some Stella Green Bottles which was not unusual on an alcohol free beach.  What was shocking about it was that they had played target practice with their bottles and sharp, broken glass was all over the beach.  I wish I had taken a picture when I saw it but you'll have to use your imagination.

Glass bottoms, tops and hundreds of pieces were laying everywhere and people had already walked through it in the dark.  I could see the footprints.  There were at least 4 broken bottles with the sharp bottom pieces sticking up.  The necks were strewn over a 50+ft area and fine glass that could stick you was in several different piles.  The beach groomers were just showing up and I wanted to call them over but what could they do?  I had to do it before someone got hurt.  It was time to give back to the beach that has given me so much over the years.

I laid down my detector and scooped up the first pile with my scoop and put it in the empty box.  That was just a small dent.  It seemed to be everywhere.  I was hoping for help but no one stopped out of about 10 people.  This had to be cleaned up before the kids and families showed up.

I worked like a coin spill.  haha  I went over it again and again in different directions as the sun was coming up enough to see the little and big shards.  Some of it was still glued to the label and other pieces had landed a fair distance away after the impact.  When I was nearly done I decided to take a few pictures.

The glass started near my detector and went all the way up to my feet near the scoop.  It had happened after high tide and was not spread by the small waves.  The box was empty when I started and I wanted to keep detecting but I knew it was up to me to make the beach safer.  That really is more important sometimes than a few trinkets.

The bottoms were the most dangerous as they stuck up with sharp points.  Joggers had missed them in the early dawn.  It is not a regular occurrence and that can make it worse because it is unexpected.  Anyway, I got it done and only found a couple of quarters after the pickup.  By the time I left there were 4 more guys detecting.  I hope they would have done the same as me if they saw the glass first.

Here is where my boots crack.

The right has not cracked yet but I'll glue it too.

I've been going out irregularly over the last week or so.  There has not been much to show and tell.  Cheap rings and a few coins until today.

Based upon the tide schedule I've been getting up before the sunrise and getting back early.  Getting up that early doesn't mean you are the first detectorist to the beach.  I took advantage of my senior parking pass and was out and going in a northerly direction which was 'behind' someone digging deep holes.  They were leaving them open.  I knew I would catch up with them and I would be screaming at them so I turned in the other direction.

I found a nickel.  Long walking without targets later I found a penny.  There was no pattern, waves had been small so there was just a small muddy catch area.  I was headed towards an all night beach where I'd found rings in the past but I've found rings all over these beaches by now.  I got a nice loud signal, a 19 and just about 1" down.  I thought it was a cheap ring and just put it away.  

I put it in my pouch and walked a few feet before I saw something I had to deal with but that will be a separate post.  After I finished dealing with that glass I was wondering if I would find anything good, the good karma effect but it was only two quarter.

It did turn out good when I got home and I could see .825 on the ring and it was gold.  Google told me .825 means it is 19k!  It is only 2.2 g but a nice little ring.

Here were some previous trips.

10 hours ago, Redz said:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/gear-aid--aquaseal-sr-shoe-repair-adhesive--19047505?recordNum=8

I have found that E6000 and shoe goo do not hold up when i replace soles and the repair fails within a couple of outings. This glue however has lasted years and makes a very strong flexible bond that will bond a shoe sole permanently. 

Your experience is my experience with E6000 on my flex holes.  This stuff looks great.  I'm going to buy some.  I'll look for a local store or buy online.

On 8/7/2020 at 3:29 PM, Northeast said:

Why are yours cracking after months of use?

It cracks because of the repeated walking and bending just behind the toe area where it flexes.  One side has a hole now on the left but I can see the other side cracking.  They all crack at that flex point.

Patches seem to break down in that area also.  It constantly pulls and stresses the patch.  The material that covers the crack is subject to the same stress.  I guess they weren't really designed for walking long distances on the beach but farm work and fishing should be hard on them also but I remember a pair that I had for years that I used for fishing.  Maybe they last while standing because the upper is perfectly fine.

A local detectorist sells his finds on eBay.  He gets some premium pricing on them.  People bid up this stuff and his are recent rings.

Your rings 'Beechnut Finds' would bring a premium on top of the eBay price!  This would be like buying a piece of a treasure ship or hoard.  If you owe some locals a favor sell it to them but otherwise you have enough records of when and where you found these rings that you can give them a birth date (date of find) and show them your research and ...

Cash out if you have a reason to.

4 hours ago, tboykin said:

The whole point of this idea is to give your brain and ears more raw information to process. A good analogy would be seeing with two eyes instead of one. The Zed does give you a warble or wobble over certain targets, and I think that kind of descriptive audio or even more descriptive audio can be applied to any detector that gives you two sets of data (signal strength and signal phase or x and y for ZVT/pulse) in all-metal mode.

I like the mental exercise you are giving us to consider ALL of the data to help us find nuggets.  Sometimes I am a contrarian willing to express a thought.

You reminded me of a mentor I have in another hobby.  He was 'handicapped' in a way because he was legally blind in one eye.  

I have one of his books and he lived about 100 years ago.  Snooker was his sport.  Joe Davis was his name.  He wrote a book called 'How I Play Snooker.'  There are several pages in this book that describes his technique (stance, swing, cue control, levelness, etc.) but it was all based upon the fact that he could only aim with one eye.  The other eye didn't distract him.  His aiming was not a matter of dominant eye but the ONLY eye aiming.  Joe was the Snooker World Champion for 18 years.

When I try to use his technique I have to try and forget about my other eye.

So what does this have to do with detecting?  MAYBE we don't need that much raw data to find nuggets.  MAYBE one set of data (rather than two) with the proper information is enough.

Reg and others found lots of gold with 'less' information.  Can we still do it?

On 8/6/2020 at 2:21 PM, klunker said:

So how bout a trainable detector where each time you find a target it stores all the audio information for each target and  you push  button that that says "good target" (gold for nugget hunting / non ferrous for coins an relics) or" bad target" (hot rocks / trash) so that after a couple of hundred target digs the detector would be "trained".

I think this is a significant part about what a multi-frequency detector is all about.  There are certain algorithms programmed in that give an audio response in addition to a screen.  The latest update to the Equinox has proven to make the point.  They have taken a lot of the 'scratchiness' out of corroded pennies.  It is a penny after all so why not take off some of the 'edges' and make it sound a little bit harder on the ears.  I'm hoping the same has happened to nugget sounds.

When you have digital processing a good imagination or a proper understanding of conveying a good target to a 'dig me' audio response could be synthesized from the data.  I can't do it and I know there are limitations but you can basically make any response have any tone you want.  You just say 'make all F flats sound like C sharps' and I'll be ok as a programming choice for instance.

The trainable part is where the engineers take all of the possible targets and plot them, which they already do.  The accept/reject if simple enough should isolate good targets or mask bad ones.  When this happens is there still enough audio data to determine to dig or not.  As Simon mentioned there is brain fatigue with all our detectors if you listen to pure raw data.

To filter or not to filter is the choice of all detectorists.  As Jasong said, swing speed and direction are audio filters.  It allows for audio interrogation of the target.

Technique and coil control separate a lot of us now.  We are also separated as Jasong said about not being completely familiar with the ground we are detecting.  I know my beaches intimately but don't know my nugget ground.  I have to get 'in the ball park' but often times I'm not really a player.

Mitchel

It doesn't really like to stick to the rubber.  It doesn't bind.  I tried some bicycle patches on previous boots and that didn't work.

I use a water proof, metal free calf boot most of the time when I walk on the beach.  I have bought them from various places like Walmart, sporting goods stores and online.  They are both styles of fishing boots and muck boots for agriculture and the like.  All of them crack after just a few months (many miles) and they leak.  In the past I have tried glue, tapes and other things to get more life out of them.  I've tried different brands.

My last purchase was a pair of Tingley's and they are probably the best so far but they have now cracked down near my big toe.  They have lasted since February.  They have gone up 50% in price since then.

Does anyone know a glue or fix for this?  I wouldn't mind even slopping something over the outside but it has to be flexible.  

When the water is warm I could use a Clog or slipper but they don't provide the support and protection when I refill my holes.

Mitchel

9 hours ago, TTT2866 said:

https://detectorstuff.com/left-behind-nasa-tom/

 

Haha found it, what an entertaining read! I'm still really leaning towards this machine. Any ideas how I could waterproof it? I'm thinking a dremel and some pvc casings and a heap of silicone but would there be any companies making cases to waterproof them already? More-so to stop the salt getting in to the control box. I have a very steady supply of cables at the shop if I needed to extend or adapt anything. 

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I just read this thread for the first time and it reminded me of my sounds at the beach since the update.  My experience has been that many targets sound 'better' and that is not always good.  Maybe I will have to use some iron bias which I do not now.

I remember telling someone recently that when you hear that ring sound you won't forget it.  My last few hunts I have been hearing that 'ring sound' quite often and I don't get a ring.  I've attributed it to the sound being more full on all targets than before.  My beach 1 targets now sound like the park 1 targets.  I can hear the targets better but I am fooled into thinking this is a good target and I must look at the screen more and look at the numbers.

Sometimes those good sounding targets have been caps and other times other pieces.

Time to hunt a beach.

Were there any beaches helped for detecting with this storm?

I know what you mean.  I bought a blue tooth external speaker that I could use with my phone.  It works ok with that so I connected it to the 800.  It is not usable with the detector.

I don't understand the BT 5.0 so I thought I would ask.  I do like noise cancel and the idea that it was built for music has proven not to be a bother for me on my gold detectors.  I would get another one of that 'type' if it had a separate volume control.

I understand that it needs to be fast.

These say over the ear and noise cancel.  My Minelabs are working just fine but ...

2 hours ago, geof_junk said:

It would be worst if the vehicle stops and won't start when you are out in the desert. I guess you would have to climb under it till rescued. 

Lessons from lost people in the desert say you are better off staying with your vehicle rather than trying to hike out.

Where did you get that folding stand?

Those are some great hunts and better results.  I'll give it a try again tonight.

This brings up a point that I sometimes make.  We all talk about hunting the 'low tide' when in fact we are hitting the cuts that happened at HIGH TIDE.  If the waves were right some of the heavies didn't make it up to the cut and we find them in mid-beach.  It is actually rare for me on my beaches to find the good stuff in the negative tide area.  It is up on the very high plus side (with good waves at that time) where I find more.

Mitchel