Kostas 13

appears to be a replacement machine for the e-trac class.

The first country to present after the official first presentation at Dedectival on September 11-12 will be Greece at an event held by our country representative on September 17 near where I live, I will be able to see it up close for the first impressions 🙂

it appears to be a sugar tong from the last century.

I have noticed when a new machine comes out people panic thinking it will make them find more targets... I believe that with the existing technology the performance of a new detector cannot take off and make much of a difference... I firmly believe that the difference in finding desirable goals is passion, love and experience… Changing detectors every year does not make them more effective, success comes when you spend a lot of time with a reliable detector and become one with it. sorry for my english which is limited and unfortunately i am using translation.

using gpr for several years the data we receive contains noise which is eliminated as much as possible only when processing the data in special programs, it would be good if the filters used by the special programs are automatically activated and the noise is automatically removed as we receive real time data... Perhaps in a similar way a metal detector could clean out the noise and read the signals of metal targets more clearly.

On 8/4/2022 at 5:07 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

In general, PI detectors handle high mineral ground and hot rocks that impede VLF performance. This also means they can handle large coils more effectively than a VLF, which can add to the depth equation. In low mineral ground there is not a huge need for a PI, as it is not so much that a PI goes a lot deeper than a VLF per se, but that they lose a lot less depth than a VLF in bad ground. That is why air tests of PI vs VLF are kind of worthless. It's all about the ground. But to give you an idea, a good PI can go twice as deep as your CTX, even more, in really bad ground.

PI detectors also lack anything remotely close to VLF style discrimination, relying more on various audio characteristics and experience to determine whether to dig or not. In the crudest sense, PI detecting is for people who tend to dig most everything, VLF detecting for those who need lots of discrimination.

• Understanding the PI Metal Detector by Reg Sniff. An excellent, understandable primer on pulse induction metal detectors.

This link, and the articles it links to, will tell you more about ground balancing pulse induction (GBPI) discrimination than you will find anywhere else:

https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/11421-fisher-impulse-aq-discrimination-explanation/

let's not forget that there are many pulse detectors on the market for relic hunters that do not have ground balancing and this makes them completely unsuitable for heavy terrain.

in greece where i live a gpx 5000 costs 4000 euro and the average salary of a worker is 600 euro 💶 i would like to know what is the average salary in australia of a worker to understand if the garrett price is really high so that it is difficult to absorb in Buy.

when we turn on Iron Check on 5K you have 10 levels of operation to choose from and I have this question watching the video, to Garrett when we turn on Iron Check what level do you think it operates at compared to 5K?

3 hours ago, oneguy said:

Αυτή είναι κάπως περισσότερο μια ερώτηση μαζί με τον τρόπο σκέψης μου από έναν πρώην coinshooter (25 χρόνια νομίσματα/5 χρόνια τώρα ψήγματα). Δεν είμαι μεγάλος οπαδός των PI ακόμα και στα πεδία χρυσού μόνο και μόνο λόγω της πτυχής των σκουπιδιών, αλλά χρησιμοποιήστε τα και έχουν τη θέση τους. Έχετε μόνο x χρόνο στο πεδίο που πρέπει να διαχειριστείτε με σύνεση. Ο ΙΜΟ... η χρήση ενός PI και η προσέγγιση "σκάψτε τα όλα" είναι χάσιμο πολύτιμου χρόνου για τη λήψη νομισμάτων. Έχετε 2 από τα καλύτερα μηχανήματα εκεί έξω ...CTX/Nox με τη δυνατότητα να σας δίνουν αρκετά ακριβείς πληροφορίες σχετικά με τα σκουπίδια ή τον θησαυρό; Χρησιμοποιήστε αυτές τις ικανότητες και βελτιώνεται η αναλογία σκουπιδιών του IMO προς θησαυρό; Κούνησα το Tesoro's για 22 χρόνια (Golden sabre II, Tejon) και έμεινα πολύ χαρούμενος.....ΤΟΤΕ αγόρασα ένα Etrac και λόγω όλων των αρκετά ακριβών πληροφοριών η αναλογία σκουπιδιών/θησαυρού μου έγινε εντελώς 180 και τα παλιά νομίσματα εμφανίστηκαν πραγματικά ... πολύ λιγότερα σκουπίδια. Έτσι, το Tejon μου έδωσε το βάθος που δεν είχε το GSII, αλλά το Tejon δεν είχε τις πρόσθετες πληροφορίες που δίνει το Etrac που βοηθούν στη λήψη της απόφασης να περπατήσω ή να σκάψω (εξοικονόμηση χρόνου); Μάλλον βάζω τη διαχείριση του χρόνου ως βασική προτεραιότητα στο καθημερινό μου κυνήγι είτε είναι νομίσματα είτε χρυσός. Βλέπω το σκάψιμο σκουπιδιών ως κάτι που προσπαθώ τόσο σκληρά να αποφύγω.

Απλώς οι απόψεις μου παραπάνω, οπότε πίσω στο ερώτημα γιατί θα θέλατε να χρησιμοποιήσετε ένα PI για σκοποβολή νομισμάτων όταν έχετε ήδη φτιάξει δύο από τα καλύτερα σουτέρ;;;;

unfortunately vlf detectors miss many valuable targets even at shallow depths due to many factors.... I've experimented several times with a vlf scanning a point of interest and after digging up all the targets the vlf could read I came back to the same spot with the GPX5000 and was really disappointed with how many good targets the vlf left behind. Sure using vlf to find coins is relaxing and fun but unfortunately there are big losses of the desired targets... also an experienced gpx operator will use a 10*5 dd coil in places where there is trash and make a comfortable and proper survey...

51 minutes ago, SFi said:

Έχω ακούσει την "αναξιοπιστία" για τα προϊόντα βαθιάς αναζήτησης της Nokta στο παρελθόν, αλλά για την OKM... 😯 ! 

okm has been dealing with geophysical machines for many years .. in geophysical machines they make sure to have beautiful images in underground measurements but unfortunately it does not correspond to reality... In short their geophysical machines are simple magnetometers that work in a program and the values they get are totally funny for those who know geophysical machines.... I won't comment on the distance machines because I don't think it's worth saying anything...🙂

54 minutes ago, SFi said:

Ευχαριστώ Steve, ευχαριστώ Κώστα για τις συμβουλές σου ☺️ . Οι σειρές GPX του MineLab είναι ακριβές. Βρήκα μερικά χωράφια που είμαι σίγουρος ότι υπάρχουν πολύτιμα πράγματα σε αυτό. Επίσης είμαστε σίγουροι ότι τα περισσότερα από αυτά είναι χάλκινα. Ένα από τα χωράφια είναι μια σπηλιά και αντικείμενα είναι ενσωματωμένα βαθιά μέσα στους τοίχους. Έτσι, με αυτά τα σχόλια θα αλλάξω γνώμη για το Gemini3 και θα σκεφτώ τον Garrett ATX, το OKM Pulse Nova ή ένα μεταχειρισμένο Vallon minehound 🤔

okm doesn't have a reliable machine, I would suggest minelab & Garrett.... also Lorenz has great pulses that have big frames for a lot of ground coverage too but you won't find the balance of minelab & Garrett.

Το genimi δεν προτείνεται για κυνήγι θησαυρού και γενικά κάθε μηχάνημα που δεν είναι ισορροπημένο δεν μπορεί να αντεπεξέλθει αξιόπιστα... όπως σου είπε ο Steve παραπάνω, ένα μηχάνημα παλμών με καλή ισορροπία εδάφους είναι ο μόνος τρόπος για να βρεις μέταλλο βαθιά και αξιόπιστα... προσωπικά έχω το gpx 5000 και του έχω βάλει ένα nf 25 mono coil και είμαι απόλυτα ευχαριστημένος....

hi it's great that a very practical machine has come out that seems to match Minelab who have had a monopoly on pulse detectors for years...competition can only do all us hobbyists good...hope to see other companies in the game where it will be to our advantage to see better machines at competitive prices.

Here in Greece things are tragic in terms of marketing imagine vlf detectors that can detect metals up to three meters deep 🤣🤣🤣

Πριν από 39 λεπτά, ο Ogliuga είπε:

Κατά την επόμενη δοκιμή σε αυτήν την τρύπα θα δειξω ότι το σήμα δεν είναι ψευδές. Θα αλλάξω σταθεροποιητή γείωση και, ελπίζω, το μηχάνημα θα είναι ακόμα πιο βαθύ. Το λέω αυτό παρόλο που το βάθος δεν είναι το παν. Αυτές οι δοκιμές δείχνουν μόνο την απόλυτη ισχύ του μηχανήματος. Ο στόχος δεν ακούστηκε σε όλες τις θέσεις σάρωσης αλλά σε 2 (1,5) στις 4. Επικρατεί και απόλυτη ησυχία. Δεν είναι ψευδές σήμα.

if you want to know the truth, you can place the target sideways on a mound and try it will be a much more reliable test.

no matter how good the ground is it is impossible to hit the specific target at this depth with a vlf machine and an 11 inch coil ... I am absolutely sure that the signal they received was false from the extreme settings ...

On 3/2/2022 at 6:41 PM, stampa said:

Hello everyone from Greece,
Friend Kostas we have discussed together enough this issue of the big frames - coils, relic hunting in Europe as well as other countries that love Gpx operations in terms of ground balancing that really is an excellent work of Minelab engineers, no one denies this.
Logic says that increasing coil size we lose sensitivity to very small targets but also allows us to find a bigger target in depth.
A tip is to increase the distance of coil from the soil to lose a little sensitivity to small targets, but at the same time we lose and a lot of depth.
But this is not enough if we mention as the Gpx series including Gpz is machines built on the philosophy of nuggets, that is to provide maximum sensitivity to a variety of nuggets sizes and to the maximum depth.
I believe that in order to be able to work in the way you mention above for large target sizes as a military box, but at the same time they do not have enough sensitivity to the small targets in an area containing a lot of rubbish, it is quite difficult to achieve the reason that I mention above in philosophy of their constructions.
Perhaps it could be done with an extremely large frame - coil provided that the ground balancing as well as the EMI like a normal coil will operate.
I find difficult achievement for Minelab as well as coil production companies worthwhile, like Coiltek and NF.

 

Friend Panagiotis, we have discussed the issue many times and we have come to the conclusion that with the settings given by the detector we can not face this problem.

I hope that at some point Minelab's engineers will build a large coil that ignores small targets to satisfy the research of researchers looking for our way….

It would also be very interesting to learn from someone who knows how to build a GPX if he can achieve what we are looking for with a proper coil build.

I have not tried this, but I have tried large coils that no one can avoid the small rubbish.
I believe that gpx is made of gold nuggets and it may be impossible to operate in the way I imagine with any coil on the market.
it would be great or Minelab to develop a large coil that is not sensitive to small objects to its existing pulses or to build a new pulse detector for researchers looking for deep large objects but having a reliable high balance.

the 2 boxes apart from the fact that we want big enough goals to achieve depth we have a big problem from moisture and soil ores I personally do not consider them suitable for any research.

Good morning friend George, a pulse detector like the Lorenz 1.5 * 1.5 coil machine can discard small objects and detect deeper large targets. The problem, however, is that these pulsating machines do not have a good ground balance with all that entails. ..

basically my question is if Minelab can achieve a large coil 1.5 * 1.5 for gpx that would not be sensitive to small objects and would get the best possible depth in larger ones, while maintaining excellent ground balance ..

Many researchers will pay a lot of money for such a reliable pulse machine, but Minelab is definitely more interested in nugget hunters and not so many heirlooms ...

Thank you very much Jeff for your answer ...

if minelab made a coil that would discard small items it would have huge sales in Europe ...

I have worked on several pulse detectors looking for boxes of British pounds that were hidden during the war. I have come to the conclusion that the most reliable pulse detector is made by minelab, but my problem is that it is very sensitive even with a large coil to very small objects, so it becomes very tedious and can sometimes hide the large target underneath. from small rubbish ...

Γεια σας, πιστεύετε ότι υπάρχει τρόπος για το minelab gpx 5000 να μην πετύχει μικρούς στόχους εντοπίζοντας μόνο τους μεγάλους, θα ήταν δυνατό να κατασκευαστεί ένα μεγάλο πηνίο που θα έκανε τη δουλειά; Νομίζω ότι θα ήταν πολύ χρήσιμο για κυνηγούς που αναζητούν βαθιά μεγάλα αντικείμενα σε μέρη όπου υπάρχουν μικρά επιφανειακά συντρίμμια ....

Pulse detectors with large frames 1 x 1 -2 x 2 -3x3 have good depth in large objects but lag behind in the balance of the ground resulting in problems caused by incorrect signals ... The gpx with the right coils can carry out research in almost all soils without any problems, achieving excellent soil balance ... for information I will tell you the nagget 25 mono exceeds two meters in an object 30 x 30 x 50 in clay soil ... the 2 boxes, apart from being unstable, do not have enough depth and no experienced operator prefers them .... sorry if you do not fully understand what I am saying, I am just using translation.

I do not sell machines and records to make fake videos to deceive someone, however anyone who has gpx and an experienced ear understands very well from the sound alone 😁