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So I have been running the V1.10 beta version 2 a few weeks now and it feels to me that it's a lot less stable as V 1.09. What I mean is that it gives a lot more (false) signals and noise when detecting at higher senisbility (so 25 and higher). Does anybody have that experience too? I'm thinking of reverting back to 1.09 for the moment 🤔

The difference in wheight between the 24 and 28 is very significant. Don't forget you are swinging that wheight at the end of a 5 foot pole (sorry metric dude, I mean 1.5 meter).

Went on a hunt with the LG28 today in the field. I can confirm that it goes a bit deeper than the LG24 but honestly it's not a big difference. It also searches a bigger surface so you can do more ground as with the LG24. 

However... The LG28 is far less accurate than the LG24 which means that you will be digging larger plugs. Pinpointing is way more difficult and you will dig up more rubbish. 

So next time? Going back to the LG24, ok it goes a little less deep (or does it?) but it's a lot more fun to work with and seriously lighter too.

On 1/31/2023 at 2:47 PM, Digalicious said:

I doubt the LG24 will have that much less depth than the stock coil.

I have them both, there is some difference but not a great deal. The reason I want to use the LG28 is because of the tall grass I hunt in (some 10 inches long). There's no way that you get your coil closer than 5 inches to the ground so I'm wondering if the LG28 will not be able to go deeper? But I have some similar ground next to my garden and maybe I can go and do a test there with both coils. See if the 24 misses anything that the 28 finds

15 hours ago, DSMITH said:

I have two different pairs of Bone Conduction headphones from different manufacturers and both work great as long as you are not using the Threshold

Could you share the specifics of these with me? I am in a similar situation here, no bears in Belgium but we do get a lot of traffic and I find more and more tracks of wild boar so being able to hear my surroundings is becoming a must. I do not use threshold so I'm not really concerned that it doesn't work.

22 hours ago, DSMITH said:

I have been testing several different sets of earbuds and Bone Conduction Headphones, I love the Bone Conduction headphones but both earbuds and the bone conduction phones do not work properly when detecting with the threshold activated in the Legend

But do they work when the threshold is not active? I'm looking into these bone conduction type headphones as they allow you to hear the surroundings better. There are also types available that are waterproof so that's an added bonus.

You will be pleasantly surprised 😉 I have hunted a few times with it and my current opinion is that it's more accurate but has less depth, especially in fields with high grass (for hay). 

To do a honest comparison, I'm going to use the LG28 again next weekend on the same type of field. I'll keep you posted.

I have used the legend a few times now with the new update. The soil is also very wet here so M3 was the best choice. Much more stable than M1 or M2.

Once the beta testing is done, they're going to release it as v1.11 . 

On 1/23/2023 at 6:00 PM, Jeff McClendon said:

The 2 Euro reads 42/43 on my Nox 900. The 2 Euro is 75% nickel.

A 2 euro piece always sounds good on the Legend. But they should have included a 1, 2  or 5 eurocent piece. Those are very difficult to call.

But otherwise, I see a confirmation that my legend is a great machine. I cannot compare it to the other ones, I only have a legend. What I must say in defence for the Minelab detectors is that their interface is very neat and organised. Especially the manticore. But then again, it's a machine that costs 3x what a legend does.

By the way, the bottle cap rejection on the legend is still in beta testing. So perhaps this test should be done again once the update is final?

33 minutes ago, Digalicious said:

Technically, it's sequential, but so fast that it's not a stretch to call it simultaneous.

Of course the speed at which it computes is too fast for us to comprehend but for the processing of the signal, there's quite a difference. To my understanding, if it were 1 pulse that was sent through several frequencies, the response would also be one signal coming back. This would not make sense for me (but again, not an engineer 😉 ). By sending several pulses at different frequencies in a sequence, even at a very fast rate, the software can analyse the responses separately as they also come back in a sequence. The software then analyses these signals and creates an 'image' of what's below. The more sweeps you make over the same target, the more information it receives and the better picture you get (got that from the 'Beginners Guide to the Legend').

This also explains for me how M1, 2 and 3 are all SMF but give a different result. The sequence is different and the used frequencies too, and the software analyses this differently depending on the chosen M-frequency and Program (park, field, ...)

@locator, thanks for the pdf. Great info 👍

I'm trying to figure out how SMF actually works. I get that the detector sends an electromagnetic signal through the coil and that it does so on multiple frequencies. But what I'm wondering is how it does this?

Does it send all frequencies through the coil at once and analyse the returned signal at once, or does it send the frequencies one by one in a rapid succession and analyse each return signal separately? The latter seems the more logical to me but I'm not an engineer. 

How good can a customer service be?

This afternoon, I sent in a bug report via e-mail because I thought the automatic ground balance setting for the backlight display didn't work as described. I got an email back within the half hour with a mp4 attached where the guy from Nokta showed me how to use the function and what the expected outcome should look like. And sure, it was a classic "me getting the instructions wrong" ☺️ 

So, @Nokta Detectors your Customer Service rules 👍

Once the software is more stable, I'm thinking to start writing things down. For my job I occasionally need to write manuals so I have a little experience. But there are so many things to cover 🤔 It will take some time and a lot more hunts to even get to a point where I can write down anything useful.

1 hour ago, JCR said:

The Nokta User's Manual should be that descriptive.

That would be nice but I understand that Nokta wants to keep their manual more summarized. 

In the end, I'll figure it out. Last weekend I had a great hunt and was able to finetune quite a bit on fields where I mostly hunt. Clynick's book on the Nokta Legend helped me a lot in setting up and using the detector. I can strongly recommend reading this book. Just a bit of a shame that he doesn't really cover the Iron Filter. 

Next weekend another hunt's on the program in an adjacent field and I think I'm going to play a little with the Iron Filter settings, only through use will I learn to use it 🙂

I had some time to test the Iron Filter with several targets, from pure iron (rusted) to shotgun shells and several good sounding targets (musket ball, coin, WW2 ammo). I'm going to be very honest but I don't see what this filter does? If I put it at 1 or 9, it gives the same signals on my Legend. Which made me wonder : what does it precisely do? 

Having no clue to it's use, I just set it on 4 at the moment being the middle of the settings.

The same goes for the Bottle Cap reject by the way, tried it on several bottle caps (I'm a homebrewer so I have a few laying around 😉 ) and ok, it masks them but doesn't this mean at the same time that other, perhaps more interesting things as some modern currency, are filtered out too? For this setting, I leave it at 0. I rather dig a bottle cap and be sure that other, more valuable targets are showing up, than set it too high and miss the good stuff.

Coming back to this, with the new update we now have a setting of 9 on the iron filter. Does anybody know what the advantage is? I saw on youtube somewhere that this would cancel out shotgun shells but I'm not sure.

True, it's on my 'to-do' list but it'll be for the spring when the weather gets better. I have been saving some nails, old iron and coins for that purpose.

21 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Can you clarify or be more specific regarding your real world depth loss experience?  Is that what you discovered in your field run or what you heard?

It's what I noticed during my field run. Of course, one field trip is perhaps not enough to say this for sure and there are lots of other factors that impact the depth but I ran the same field a few weeks ago on an adjacent strip and I found targets at similar depths. 

Note that the field I was hunting was pretty clean, there's iron and can slaw present but you can search in all metal mode without too much problems. So in M3 I was running the machine at a sensibility of 27 after ground balancing and noise cancelling.

Regarding the physics : The 11" coil get's the same amount of power as the 9.5" coil so I wonder if that means that the 9.5" coil gets more "power per inch coil". Probably, under good circumstances, the 11" coil will go a bit deeper but not by much is my experience at the moment. Next weekend I'm going on a hunt again and I'll be able to get more experience to elaborate on my claim.

It's very difficult to do a good comparison between two coils on the same machine. Every target's different, every spot where you find something too. To get to a serious conclusion, you should compare every target with both coils ran under the same settings and do this for enough targets to get a large enough sample to be able to draw a statistical conclusion. (I'm an analyst, what can I say 😉 ) I'm not going to drag two coils in the field to do this test so I follow my gut feeling that the difference between the two is not that great. 

Forgot something : the lighter weight of the smaller coil makes it a lot more fun to swing with less strain on your body 🙂

Went out metal detecting this afternoon with the LG24 coil. Field mode, M3, all metal. This is a great coil, more precise as the 11" coil, pinpointing is a lot easier. I also was under the impression that you don't really lose depth with this smaller coil.

M3 is great in wet soil by the way, more stable than M1 or especially M2 and I was able to better define what the target was. Dug up very little garbage but was able to find several musket balls and small coins. 

Got my LG24 coil delivered today. Did some testing in the kitchen and the response is much directer als with the 11" coil. I'm going detecting on sunday. I'll let you know how it went.

I think you just need to send an email to your local supplier. Sometimes they have the coils but they are not yet on their website. I did so and I think I got one of a few he received.

https://kooistra-detectors.eu/The-Legend-Waterdichte-DD-zoekspoel-24-x-15-cm-LG24 but he's sold out already 

Ordered my new coil for the legend today, the 9.5 * 6" version. Normally I should receive it this weekend so I'll be testing it on sunday. 

When I lookup the depth indication in the manual of the legend, they mention that they based it on a 1" coin. However, they don't say how deep the markings are supposed to be? Does anybody know this? I know that depth indication on a metal detector has its limitations but it would still be great to know what the bars mean.