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  1. Simple really. The coil cable has metal in it. Any loose cable moving around a foot over the coil can cause a false signal. In general the cable should go straight up the shaft, with excess wound at the top near the control box.

    However, in order to allow the coil to swivel and change angles, it is common to leave a little slack near the coil. It the coil strikes something hard enough, that short bit of cable can shift quickly, causing a transient false signal.

    The fitting at where the coil connects to the control box not being absolutely firm can do the same thing.

     

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  2. Can't beat the Bug for simplicity. I never understood people who think it is hard to run. The Gold Racer to really leverage what it offers will take some learning. The all metal mode is just as straight forward as any. The disc modes is where things get intriguing. I am just not seeing any dire need for a happy owner of a GB2 to ditch it in favor of the GR per se. There are other GB2 owners, who, like me, will look at the Gold Racer and tell themselves "I gotta have that one instead" but they will know who they are and why and don't need me to tell them so.

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  3. Ray, I am just staying out of all that and leaving it to wiser and more experienced hands. The high frequency can cut both ways. It seems to call big ferrous as ferrous better than lower frequency machines for some reason, but the machine is so sparky it can produce transient high tone blips in ferrous. I am sticking with my "it's a gold machine" line until somebody else proves otherwise. It has a killer all metal mode that alone is enough to make me happy and in scattered ferrous seems really well behaved. But I did not dive into any nail pits so just don't know.

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  4. Small coil is epoxy filled. Both 10 x 5 coils are hollow. Initially that kind of turned me off as hollow coils knocking around kind of bug me. This is stupid but they sound funny bouncing off stuff. But after comparing to the Gold Bug Pro and even my F75 with the Fisher epoxy filled version, I realized just how heavy those coils are out there on the end of the stick. The Fisher being epoxy filled weighs in at 1 lb 2.6 oz whereas the Makro coil weighs 12.8 ounces. The Gold Racer is simply better balanced as a result and now that I have gotten used to them I am happy with the coils.

    I have experienced a false now and then with the Gold Racer but only on rare occasions, and I want to be sure and again note the coils have changed since I got my last prototype. I believe they will look more like what is one the new FORS Gold+, redesigned with beefed up ears and cable entry point. But you can't hold Makro to that as I have not been told that directly, just makes sense. Bottom line is I did not consider coil falsing to be an issue but it might happen now and then. Might be I did not have my cable wrapped tight enough so I am giving the benefit of the doubt until we see production units. I promise you I hate detectors that are coil sensitive and would tell you in a second if that was bothering me.

  5. Seriously there are only two other options for me. It would be the Fisher Gold Bug 2 or the White's GMT. Both are excellent detectors used by thousands of people successfully. The one that really seems to get hit by the Gold Racer is the GMT. The Gold Racer simply packs a heck of a lot more on a lighter more compact package at what I suspect will be a lower price. I don't care about price myself, the Gold Racer basically is just in a configuration I prefer over the GMT.

    Gold Bug 2 with 6" coil? Probably still will end up when it shakes out as king of the crumb pile. The Gold Racer does give it a fair run for the money but I have not had a Gold Bug 2 at hand to do direct comparisons with. When I knew what was coming with the Gold Racer I sold my Gold Bug 2 immediately. For me in the case of the two it is more a features fight, and if all you need is something to hit tiny gold the Gold Bug 2 gets the job done. Heck, it may be at the end of the day that I just want a newer toy to play with and been there done that with the Gold Bug 2.

    Now if you toss the big coil in the mix it gets more interesting and the Gold Racer caught me off guard in that respect. You just can't get a big DD coil for a Gold Bug 2 and that alone right now is enough to have me packing the Gold Racer around instead.

    Guys, no sales pitch here. Stick with tried and true and proven unless you can afford to do the buy and try thing. Just too early yet in several ways to be doing serious head to head comparison/decision type stuff. All I can say is the GPZ and GR suit me for now.

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  6. Hi Merton,

    Until the final version hits the street I am not sure. What you are describing is what they have in the new FORS Gold+. On my prototype Disc2 just seems like Disc1 on steroids. I simply do not have enough experience with the DEUS to pick numbers but I am guessing nothing much different than what you are seeing on your standard Racer.

    Which answers the is this a general purpose machine for a one machine person? In my opinion, not particularly. If you want a general purpose machine I would get a general purpose mid-frequency detector. On normal size targets there is little difference between the Gold Racer and the standard Racer or the Nokta units. It is only as the targets get smaller that the gap appears. In a nutshell, this is a machine for people looking for tiny targets first, everything else secondary. That is not to say it won't find the larger gold, it will. I just don't think it will do so any better than the standard Racer. Again though, when the production models get in people's hands that view might change based on more people using the machine under more varied conditions, but I would not at this time recommend a person without a detector get the Gold Racer as a general purpose detector. Sit back and let it sort out.

    What is it? Well, mn90403 it is pretty simple for me. I right now use a GPZ 7000 for 98% of my nugget detecting. I do need a second machine however. For sniping tiny gold. For checking quartz specimens. For working trashy areas. If nothing else just in case the GPZ dies! I want something compact and light weight that I can just toss in the back of my truck with no worries, and always have handy if I need it. Cheap accessory coils, runs forever on four AA batteries. GPZ 7000 and Gold Racer it will be for me. All the other nugget machines are going away or already gone.

    What about this? There is a person out there that has no detector. They basically want a nugget detector, and desire what the GMT and Gold Bug 2 offer by way of small gold capability. Yet they do not want a 100% dedicated nugget machine, just in case they want to do a little coin detecting or something else. So maybe 90% nugget detecting and other stuff now and then, or so they think. That is a totally made up but reasonable scenario to me.

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  7. Frankly, that about wore me out! That review was for general consumption and will no doubt get posted around elsewhere. Exclusive to the members of this forum will be more technical details and blatant opinions on my part, but for now I need a break from the keyboard. More on this thread soon. In the meantime, post any question you may have and I will answer to the best of my ability - after the pizza!.

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  8. Very hot bedrock in there, difficult to run a VLF. And gold, if you are lucky enough to get over any, is small. It would be a good place for a Minelab SDC 2300 but not very good odds of finding gold. Lots of loose rock and boulders, not so much in the way of detectable ground. I have found gold in Hatcher Pass with a Gold Bug 2, but the ground was so hot I just eyeballed quartz specimens, and ran them under the coil by hand. http://www.detectorprospector.com/steves-mining-journal/metal-detecting-lode-gold-hatcher-pass-alaska.htm

    Gold Ore From Hatcher Pass Found With Gold Bug 2

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  9. I will try to answer that question in future posts in the next few days. Suffice it to say that even with detectors in hand trying to get a clear winner when faced with a pile of 14 - 19 kHz detectors can be an exercise in frustration. Luckily the Gold Racer at 56 kHz is an easier call.

     

    Just remember - there are always trade-offs when designing metal detectors. It is not just a matter of saying "this one is best" and tossing the rest. I really, really wish it were that easy. It comes down to what you want the machine to do most and what you are willing to give up to get that.

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  10. Here is a chart - more details at http://www.detectorprospector.com/gold-prospecting-equipment/nokta-fors-gold-plus-metal-detector.htm

     

    FORS Gold at 15 khz and with three tone "coin mode" is more multi-purpose in intent, the FORS Gold+ at 19 kHz and modes tweaked for nugget hunting is more gold specific although relic hunters will also like it.
     
    Internet pricing FORS Gold $595 and FORS Gold+ $679(includes two coils)

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  11. Well, it really is all about just knowing your machine well and putting yourself in good locations. Lots of hours helps. We all love talking about detectors and the never ending quest for the perfect machine. Just give me any decent detector, however, and I could post plenty of finds. If all I had was, for instance, a basic $499 Gold Bug, not even the Pro, and I could go find gold nuggets, coins, jewelry, etc well everywhere but in salt water. If I had just a CTX I would come out better in salt water and give up some in the nugget dept but I still could go find gold nuggets with it.

    It really is not rocket science. Detectors that get used find stuff, detectors in closets gather dust.

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  12. Great post Monte, and very much in line with my way of thinking. My focus of course is nugget detecting, but I do enjoy using detectors to do anything. That is good because no mater where I find myself there is always a reason to go metal detecting. I have followed many forums over the years, and it is just like reading movie reviews. Some reviewers hate movies I like, other reviewers and I think alike. So I pay attention to the reviewers that like the same movies I like. All it is of course is different people liking different things, and nothing wrong with that.

    A long time ago I started paying attention to you in particular and have read a lot of your posts over the years. A lot of what I may spout now I learned from you. In a nutshell the minimal discrimination pull non-ferrous out of ferrous techniques, and of course the now famous Monte Nail Board Test https://www.ahrps.org/_tipsAndTechniques/Nail_Board_Performance_Test.pdf

    Anyway, I have never met you but I do owe you, and so thank you very much for sharing your time and knowledge with all of us. You and I share another similar trait - our posts can get out of control and go on for some time. We just love talking detectors and once we get going sometimes it is hard to stop!

    The T2 I feel is the bang for the buck unit but I favor the F75 because I can employ concentric coils on it plus a few niceties like saving settings when shut off, backlight and such. But the T2 has superior iron resolution almost identical to the Nokta/Makro machines. Unfortunately the T2 also shares the F75 tendency to identify certain non-ferrous targets as ferrous. As a result I use the F75 more for cherry picking and the Nokta/Makro for hardcore, don't mind digging a little more trash detecting. Oh well, nothing is perfect, every detector has flaws. But we keep getting closer to machines that are almost perfect and really it is all the extra competition putting the heat on that will get us there.

    Thanks again for joining the forum!

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  13. Nothing dramatic, just taking a longer term methodical perspective towards cleaning out small areas instead of wandering aimlessly around, going back to the same places over and over yet never feeling like I could say I covered it all. Now I look at a patch or park and have a loose plan for taking it apart in small mapped areas, one at a time, either removing all targets, or all non-ferrous targets, depending. The GPS integrated into the GPZ has upped my game considerably prospecting. For parks I just draw lines between landmarks like trees and corners and work it out piece by piece. But with parks I spread it around over time so as to not impact any one area too much at one time. I like to remain invisible.

    I am not the only person that does this. Every once in awhile I run into a place in town where I can't find a bit of aluminum. Aluminum is kind of like an indicator mineral. If aluminum exists I can still make good finds. If there is no aluminum, somebody doing what I am doing beat me to it.

    Nugget hunting I am hitting areas with sparse scattered gold. Most people would quit them for lack of finds. It is partly because I am new to the area and don't have much access to super great spots, so I am content to hunt areas everyone else has given up on. I am kind of like the cleanup crew coming in and gathering up the last bits. I make up for sparcity of finds by just putting in long hours.

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  14. I understand where you are coming from Jason, I do, and around a campfire you might be surprised by things I might say. However, I did my 30 years of political activism in issues regarding mining at various levels while in Alaska, contributing a great number of hours and dollars being involved in issues like this. I promise you that if you want to get involved, and really try and institute change, you will have to fight everyone on all sides. Small miners in particular, who hate change of any sort, and are as united as a herd of wild cats. And all the while that you do the small miner vs large miner thing the environmental lobby will solve your problem for you by eliminating both. I did my time and paid my dues and for that reason - I am signing off!

    But do feel free to continue folks, just remember - civility and respect.

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