Steve Herschbach

Very impressive results for one of the most visited nugget locations in Nevada!

The new Nokta IMPACT is a 3-frequency device (5kHz/14kHz/20kHz) combining  multiple detectors  and enabling a unique yet easy-to-use detector experience for new to experienced detectorists.

NOTE - THIS IS AN OLDER THREAD. The latest information on the Nokta Impact may be found here.

Impact Features:
12 Search Modes (2 non-motion, 2 all metal, 8 discrimination modes)
Advanced Discrimination & Unmasking Ability
Online Firmware Updates
Optional 2.4 GHz Wireless Headphones
Vibration
LED Flashlight

As well as all the settings users need:  Ground Balance with 3 Options (Automatic/Manual /Tracking), Notch Filter, Tone Break, Iron Audio (Fe Vol.),Audio Tone (150Hz-700Hz), iSAT, ,Magnetic Mineralization Indicator, Audio Boost, ID Normalization, Target ID Depth Level, Backlight, Factory Defaults/Save

PRICING AND AVAILABILITY 
11000701 IMPACT STANDARD PACKAGE  MSRP: $849 USD
Includes: Waterproof IM28 - DD Search Coil  28 cm x 18 cm (11'' x 7''), Headphones, 4 x AA Alkaline Batteries, USB Cable

11000702 IMPACT PRO PACKAGE  MSRP: $999 USD
Includes: Waterproof IM28 - DD Search Coil  28 cm x 18 cm (11'' x 7''), Waterproof IM19 - DD Search Coil  19 cm x 10 cm (7.5'' x 4''), Headphones, Carrying Bag, Protective Covers, Stand, Extra Lower Shaft, AC & Car Charger, 4 x AA Rechargeable Batteries, USB Cable

Optional Search Coils:
Waterproof IM40 - DD Search Coil  40 cm x 35 cm (15.5'' x 14'') 
Waterproof IM24 - DD Search Coil 24cm x 13cm (9.5'' x 5")

We are now taking the pre-orders from dealers and product will start shipping to dealers the 3rd week of March.  We will ship the orders to dealers in the order they are received. 

Should you have any questions regarding the product, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,

Nokta had the new Impact prototype on display at a trade show in Paris and some photos showed up on Facebook. The machine is a prototype under development so you can expect changes but it is close enough in the major details they decided to show it off. Note that this is not a nugget detecting machine but a general purpose detector. It no doubt can find gold nuggets like every decent detector these days but it is not something I expect will have any "impact" on the nugget detecting scene. Still it may be a nice machine for those who want to do it all including a nugget hunt now and then. Probably next year before release I am guessing.

Excellent question I have wondered about myself. The GPZ is new technology and no doubt more complicated than I appreciate. I am pretty sure if it was easy we would not even be talking about it. Truth is I have no idea I just go out and put the hours on the machine. My own GPZ is running just fine for me. All I could seriously wish for was for it to weigh less. A long day swinging that thing is a workout.

I also dont notice any difference ground balancing with, or without the ferrite ring.

Maybe it is catered to certain ground types?

That has been my experience with the ferrite ring also. My theory has been this is all about issues more common in locations in Australia than in the U.S.

I am running it. Can't honestly say I see any difference on Nevada ground. If somebody had done the update secretly I would not know anything had changed.

Hmmm..... That is an old lawsuit about wireless data transfer between detectors. White's wanted to do it on V3 but was stopped by Minelab over patent claim. Interesting if White's won but would not cause new detector to appear. White's already has patents on new machine technology so not making sense. Sounds like rumor to me. But I love rumors!

I have run XChange on my Mac using Parallels and Windows 7.

Carry my Garrett Carrot every day. In rucksack on upper back, no problem.

When doing a frequency scan have the pinpointer turned on a few feet away, and it pretty much eliminates interence when operating the pinpointer while detector is turned on.

If for some reason you have concerns you can also roll back to the original software version. Both versions are at http://www.minelab.com/asia/products/gold-detectors/gpz-7000?view=downloads

This has been a really great thread with some ideas that will have me updating my own kit. Thanks everyone for all the wonderful ideas and suggestions!

This is what the Internet should be for. Helping each other out. You guys are great and I really do thank you all for participating.

Details have been posted here on the forum at http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/1293-gpz-7000-software-update-official-release-information/

Minelab are pleased to announce the first software update to our GPZ 70000 detector.

This free update incorporates a new Auto Ground Tracking Algorithm resulting in improved Auto Ground Balance functionality.

This GPZ software update improves the detector’s ability to track to the ground, such that more of the audio you hear is from gold nuggets. Resulting in -

More stable threshold
Higher sensitivity
Less false ground signal interference
Precision ground tracking
More gold found

This update also maximises achievable detection depth in any given soil type by delivering improved tracking of the yellow ferrite when ground balancing. Updates can be done easily via Minelab’s XChange 2, or manually via a file transfer method when XChange 2 is not available (e.g. if using a Mac).There is no need to return your detector to a Minelab dealer.

To download the October 2015 software update or to obtain the pdf version of the brochure below go to http://www.minelab.com/usa/metal-detectors/gold-detectors/gpz-7000?view=downloads

If for some reason you have concerns you can also roll back to the original software version at the same page (January 2015 Firmware)

Hi beardog,

The GMT is a good detector, just like a dozen others at least. The trick is to not second guess yourself every time a new VLF model comes out.

Now back to the FORS Gold+ which is what the thread is about. I have put up a new page at http://www.detectorprospector.com/gold-prospecting-equipment/nokta-fors-gold-plus-metal-detector.htmon the unit and expect to have one soon to review personally. This looks like a really nice unit. I tend to consider the Fisher Gold Bug Pro a standard by which I compare other mid-frequency machines. In a dual coil package (5" round and 10" x 5.5" DD) the GBP runs $749 new at discount. The FORS Gold+ will probably be sold out the door for $699 or less for the same dual coil package. Considering the FORS Gold+ has a few features the Gold Bug Pro lacks this is a pretty compelling option for the same or less money. The only spec the GBP really beats the FG+ on is weight but the FORS is better balanced so.....?

The concentric coil option is also very interesting. Concentrics can add a touch of performance in mild ground and improve ferrous/non-ferrous discrimination. The relic guys might like this machine a lot.

Eight years of hard work gone.....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-11/gold-nuggets-stolen-from-cowell-home/6844622

Yup, andesites and basalts plus moaning/groaning in the alkali. Yet nowhere so far in my experience to be more than an annoyance. The rocks tend to be surface or very shallow (though not always!) and the alkali areas I have done quite well in by just slowing way down.

The alkali issue could be solved two ways. One would be to just allow the machine to ground balance fully into the conductive salt range. The downside is just like with any beach detector eliminating the salt signal reduces or even eliminates signals from certain gold targets. But it gives you quiet stable operation in return.

A variable motion or SAT control would help also. It is obvious that slowing down allows the GPZ to better keep up with and adjust for the salt signal. Increasing the self adjusting threshold retune rate would allow for faster col movements with less noise. Again, a trade made in faint (small shallow or large deep) target responses being sacrificed.

I am taking a bit of a purist approach with the GPZ myself. I know for a fact that eliminating the salt signal and even all hot rock signals takes with it certain gold targets. So long as the number or intensity of such signals does not become truly overwhelming I prefer to just deal with it by digging a few rocks or manipulating the audio responses (in the case of alkali) and retain that edge I feel I have running the machine extremely hot.

Will the OLD Nokta Fors Gold Pro-Package COILS on (15 kHz) work on this NEW Nokta Fors Gold Plus on (19 kHz) or aren't they compatible swaping coils from one to the other viser verser etc?

Doubtful as they are different part numbers. My experience so far with Nokta and Makro detectors is that they sense which coil is on the detector and will not work at all with ones not designed for the machine. I even suspect the machine operating parameters change to accommodate certain coils.

Point taken jasong - just trying to understand why one machine is claimed to be so much more powerful than another.

Marketing. You can't sell VLF detectors by claiming "our detectors find gold about as well as any of the others". VLF tech is old stuff these days with no real change in depth of detection and sensitivity for over twenty years now. There have been a few tweaks on the discrimination side but that's about it.

There is more to it than just frequency, but as a rule lower frequency detectors are less sensitive to small targets but have less issues with ground mineralization and hot rocks. Increasing frequency increases sensitivity to tiny stuff while increasing ground issues and sensitivity to hot rocks. Batteries used has no bearing on this issue.

There is not much difference between 15 kHz and 19 kHz so I would expect only a minimal boost in small target sensitivity if any. The FORS are unusually hot machines anyway. The change is probably as much for marketing reasons as an actual performance change to better match up specifications with the Gold Bug Pro, the main competition. The new iSAT control does add a new twist as does the change in stock coil. Notice also the option for a concentric coil - a first on the FORS models. Note also the lack of a three tone discrimination mode, replaced by a two tone mode designed for bad ground.

Under 10 kHz you have the coin machines. 10 - 20 kHz is the realm of the multi-purpose do everything VLF that is hot on gold. Above 20 kHz would be dedicated units very hot on tiny gold. Multi-frequency acts like the lower frequency range for prospecting purposes.

In the 10 - 20 kHz range most popular machines used for prospecting have settled around 14 kHz to 19 kHz. From my perspective at least when comparing for maximum depth and sensitivity they are all about the same. Anyone expecting anything magically different will be disappointed. It is like buying a commuter car. There are bunches of them, all different, but all about the same. They get you from point A to point B. The differences are in the bells and whistles.

That all said I very much like what Nokta has done here. Before the differences between the FORS Gold and FORS CoRe were so minimal that they were basically the same detector. See http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/531-difference-between-nokta-fors-gold-and-fors-core/ for details. The changes make the FORS Gold+ less a multi-purpose detector and more one clearly designed for prospecting. A good move in my opinion.

Heck, just take the best previous answer and change whatever looks wrong!

I like that this makes the FORS Gold a different machine in in own right. Before it was too similar to the FORS CoRe. I would keep the CoRe as is and replace the old FORS Gold with this model.

I don't think direct equivalence in the gain can be determined except in the loosest way. They are different detectors and what happens at different gain settings varies dramatically depending on the nature of the gold used as a test target.

The Smoothing off equals Stabilizer at 20 thing is mentioned by JP at http://www.minelab.com/usa/treasure-talk/using-the-gpz-7000-in-high-emi-conditions-and-audio-smoothing

I actually have dealt with many, many folks in government agencies. Nearly all my experiences have been positive. There are a few bad apples in every barrel, but most people in government I have dealt with are just decent people trying to do a good job.

I do think asking for help up front and a thank you when I am done have got me a lot farther than having a chip on my shoulder. There is also no substitute for knowing the rules and firmly standing my ground when I have to.

Good post Clay - thanks!

I think that with rare exceptions stock factory coils are better than most people give them credit. The manufacturer is trying hard to optimize the machine for the task and cutting corners on the coil just makes no sense. Real effort goes into making coils that match the machine well for best performance. If I am biased at all it tends to be in favor of OEM coils.

On the flip side I am thankful for the aftermarket folks providing optional sizes and shapes the manufacturers never bother to build.

Just call me a skeptic when it comes to coils and the never ending parade of "new improved with super duper wire" or other marketing claims.

I watched at Moore Creek while with first the GP series and then the GPX series while every year like clockwork a new super duper coil became the rage. Lots of people showed up with the coil of the year. Then the next year it was a new super duper coil, and last years winding wonder was forgotten.

I am not singling any particular company or coil out but in general I think it is marketing bs. For me it boils down to DD or mono, the general size and shape I desire for my given task, combined with weight and build quality.

I don't believe any coil will turn a GPX into a GPZ. There is that little matter of the electronics in the box and what it does.

The Nugget Buster NDT (no down time) comes with two cables. One to use and one to replace it with if it breaks. You should not cave to buy another unless you broke both of those. I never did break my first one.

The intent was more about detecting accessories more than anything else. The Hipstick is a great addition for many people to consider. In transferring the weight from shoulder to waist it can be s real fix for sore shoulders and arms.