Gerry in Idaho

There are quite a few of us who've recovered gold teeth, caps, crowns in years past and many/most have been recovered in or around water as that is a gathering magnet for people.  I expect many of them who lost their teeth from being drunk and getting into fights.

On a side note, one of my favorite token finds is a Downieville, St Charles Hotel piece of history.

I imagine there are some fabulous pieces of history all around that town and area.  Water holes are great places to hunt.  Keep it up and thanks for sharing.

We've been teaching that for years in our classes.  Sure saves a bunch of time in wet ground areas of Northern Nevada.  One particular area we call the "Wandering Patch" has many of those ghost signals and each one needs to be confirmed before digging, using that exact method.

Thanks for sharing.

Simon,  When getting that many targets in the area, you/I and everyone else knows there's still more gold to be had.  Yes a less sensitive coil will help but realize gold of the same size will be missed.  I suggest listening for the single tone weaker signals, which usually means deeper on the GPZ-7000, but not always. 

Yes I tend to adjust my detecting style for certain areas and prefer playing the odds and % mathematics to help in my recovery success.  Pellets near the surface give the double tone (which you mentioned) so I pass on those and leave them for Simon.  Softer single tone signals is my focus for those such sites.

Thanks for sharing m friend.

10 hours ago, Ridge Runner said:

Gerry  

 Thanks for making the video on the Axiom and what we can expect of it when we can get our hands on one.

 Keep making the videos Gerry. You just can’t beat the show and the tell it looks like the Axiom can speak for it’s self.

 I don’t guess the Axiom said when Garrett said when they will be released?

 Chuck 

I'm expecting to get an update later this week, but since I'll be at my USMC Reunion, I'll not be back until Tuesday to update everyone.

Boy that sure will fire up some prospectors.  Those nuggets are certainly getting better and bigger.

Glad to see you out there scooping up more gold Steve.

We need to get back up to Moore Creek with these Axioms as you know it has more Hot Rocks than any other place I have ever detected for gold.

Funny, how I am about to post a nugget that was found under a large Hot Rock and my VLF's missed it as well as other PI's.

Well done my friend.

9 hours ago, Deep Beeps said:

Got a question that hopefully you or Steve can answer and excuse me if someone already asked and I missed it....

I'm almost 6'3" tall and like to set up my detectors a little longer than most do. For example on my GPZ 7000 I swapped out the upper shaft for the CTX 3030's, which added another 4" overall to the stock GPZ. That really helped balance out the machine for me, which in turn saved my back when swinging that beast all day.

How does the Axiom fair for your taller than average person? Especially, with the different coil sizes/ weights.

Me, as a guy who's 6' 2" or 6' 1" depending on who measures me at the VA = Call it 6" 1 & 1/2".  I have never had issues with the GPZ-7000 or the Axiom.  In fact when doing our Field Training I see many folks extending their detector shafts all the way out so they can get great big arching swings from Left to Right and covering most ground.  That's actually not how we like to train customers.  The farther out a coil, the more strain on one's back, neck shoulders and as we age, who wants to be adding more soreness from a hunt.  When standing straight up and proper posture, the coil on most detectors should be approx 12" to 18" in front of you.  I realize some coils that are large ellipticals (such as the 24" Ellip) are harder to work that way.

My Axiom and GPZ-7000 are almost exactly the same length when fully extended and each of them is way to long.  My preferred shaft setting has 4" to spare on both machines.  Heck the 7000 can easily hurt someone while trying to swing the stock coil for a day when all the way out.  You'll be so much more happy with the design and massive weight reduction of the Axiom, if that's how you prefer to swing.

I feel for those who are 6' 6" or less should not have any issues with either detector if adjusted properly.  Now I can't change the way old salty folks have been swinging their coils for all these years, but I can help the newer folks who don't know.  As for you Deep Beeps, if you feel the need to have extender on your 7, then I assume you'll be wanting to do the same with the Axiom as again, they are almost identical in length.

Realize the majority of metal detectors are built for the average person who would be using such device and to also keep the weight down, they don't want the majority of folks swinging the extra weight just to help a few.  It's totally understandable as well.

Luckily for those really tall folks and or those who insist to extended their reaches beyond the recommendations, most of you in this hobby have already learned to accept that you'll be getting a longer shaft.  Another good bit is the aftermarket companies are always trying to find a fix for those few.

Again, the manufactures are listening to what most of us ask for and so keeping the weight down is most important.  Also trying to build the correct length for the better part of the folks is most important.  I know this may not be the answer you want to hear, but at least it's accurate.  In no way would I disc the owning of an Axiom because of the length.  After all, when comparing the Ax to the Zed while swinging at full length, it's night and day difference in comfort, I promise.

Nice to see you on here again Chris.  Your knowledge of gold is top. Explanation of the Axiom and it's capabilities are exactly what I have been seeing.  I've spent quite a few hours on an SDC-2300 and so for me, the Axiom's better depth on overall varying sizes of gold and the fact that it feels 3x lighter than as SDC, will keep me swinging the Axiom.

As Steve H also mentioned, yes the 6000/7000 seem to go backwards as for the hot rocks and ground cancelling and the Axiom stayed true to helping us be able to hunt those areas.  

Well done.

Goose berries & Gold is a fine title.  Those berries (when ripe) had that wonderful bitter/sweet taste.  The gold is just a bonus.  A really nice bonus at that.

11 minutes ago, JCR said:

From the videos I have seen so far with the Minelab engineer present, I get the impression that Beach/Saltwater detecting is one of the main focuses of the new Manticore with it having 4 separate modes for that type of hunting. That and the two tier Iron Bias & Salt ID at 0 with Iron below that on the TID scale is interesting. It makes sense that Minelab would want to build on their success on the Salt/Beach.

There 20 to 1 Land Hunters though and I think the Beach/Water/Prospecting is just icing on the cake.  They are going for the masses in my opinion. 

Beach hunting is much different than water hunting, at least my style anyways.

I myself will be more in the water so I need the better of the 2 for waterproof (Manticore).  I also prefer the better target identification of the Manticore.  No, I am not a dig it all guy when looking for gold rings.  I could care less about coins.

When using the proven Equinox in the water, these numbers will help your odds.  I think the Manticore will do just as good or better.

I posted this info to another post recently but it's worth a 2nd.

#'s 6 - 18 cover the majority of gold/platinum rings that I have recovered. Only 16 of the 200 rings register a reading outside of those numbers.  If you want to play the odds, the 5 best #'s are 10, 13, 14, 15, & 16.  Those 5 #'s account for over 50% of the 200 rings.  The 2 best #'s are #13 & 14 as they register 50 of the 200 rings = 25%.

We all know nothing is foolproof and all of these numbers can be slightly off if targets are at depth and or on edge or under/over another different target.  But if you enjoy playing the odds and saving time, I have yet to find anyone with a more extensive test.

I do see in some situations the Axiom being the better to though, so I feel it's your style of hunt that will tell you.

Best option is to purchase both from Gerry's Detectors and now your bases are covered.🤣

Good luck everyone.

17 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Good on you, Gerry. Axiom? Equinox? Something else?

EQ-800 in iron target infested site.  I actually feel that's the only reason it was still there as I know this beach gets hunted often and I even seen someone detecting it just as I was getting ready to leave.  Even pulled a 1928 Buffalo.

On 8/26/2022 at 10:46 PM, Knomad said:

When this model was first reveled I said the two things I don't like and are going to be a problem are the use of a USB plug for charging, not because of fumbling to use it, but for Long Term Reliability.

And the lack of Bluetooth is a Marketing Mistake, simply because more and more people use headphones and other listening devises they like that are Bluetooth based, and don't want to be locked into a Garrett system, or have to have a Transmitter and adapter to go Bluetooth.  They are going to allow third party coils, but not be open to Non Garrett audio.?  Really.

I wish Garrett all the best, But think these basic mistakes will come back to haunt them.

Since I play with about 10+ different detectors that use USB and I sell hundreds each year, it really has not been as bad as an issue as with our 1st cell phones.  I attribute this to the actual amount of times we use/chare our cell phones vs the use/charge of a detector.  I've sold over 400 Equinox in the last 4 yrs and only had 3 or 4 calls of folks having issues with the USB.  So I think the USB is here to stay as it really is not as bad as we may think.

I'm 100% on board with your thinking of the Bluetooth.  Well maybe the Axiom-II coming out next year will address it.

Here are 2 links to more info on the fireball and the 2nd is a video Mark explaining the find (very interesting).

https://scitechdaily.com/fireball-lights-up-the-sky-over-salt-lake-city-16-times-brighter-than-the-full-moon/amp/?fbclid=IwAR3Gk4yTzwWc4GxcQJvv7kxjy39L7f4nrspLaMvjn9ZlW1iWyivCANXCh7o

https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/14cwH9MZ?fbclid=IwAR2-G8ePbq0Hb6QG771kLSYC2Dq33SPko0LElJisDq8iZf2Dlp9Z5Ep0_0Y

On 8/25/2022 at 2:13 AM, Valens Legacy said:

What size coil were you using?

Is it the coil size or the settings that help the most?

I've found 80% of my gold rings with the stock size coil.  Realize when detecting in water, it's harder to swing a larger coil.  The other 20% of my 200+ gold/platinum rings were recovered with larger coils.  When in the sand and needing the extra depth, I feel the larger coil is best.  As you can see, I don't spend as much time on the beach, but more of - in the water.

1 hour ago, deathray said:

First off, I know this is the wrong subgroup, but I was hoping Steve could leave it for a day or 2.

My buddy Mark Dayton, got a call from his brother, about a meteor that went over Salt Lake City, Utah. We live near Sacramento, CA.  He's in a country band, and was booked for next 2 nights, but as soon as that was done, he booked a$$ to SLC. And dude found it!!! I talked to him, and the thing that I found so amazing, is the confidence. Everyone says Mark is a lucky guy, but he puts in the work. 

I'll give you the pleasure of posting his video as he talks about the discovery and how it went down.  Quite impress to say the least and only 5 hr drive from me.  We follow each other on FB.  Thanks for sharing.

3 hours ago, strick said:

Since were asking how reliable is the ferro check...50%? I know it depends on target size and depth but I haven’t heard much talk about it’s reliability...

strick 

I mentioned it in my new post.  But what I do and the way I hunt is not the norm for most others.  I like having it and so many peeps "just dig it all".  Kind of like my ring hunting.  I use ID #'s when possible and so many "just dig it".  What I have found when hunting same site on the same day with those who "just dig it", my returns are better.  I also realize I could have missed some, but it's hard to ignore great results.

I'll just say, I still think PI's have a ways to go on the Iron ID.  But this one does give me the option and my other 2 high end options did not.

4 hours ago, Swegin said:

 

Will yea. LOL.  No strange quirks or anything?

That is a very good question and deserves an answer.  I'll make a separate post and thanks for asking.

Really good video showing some impressive results for those small NV nuggets.  To see the new Deus-II find gold is also a win and you need to make sure they get a copy of that video.

Well done again Andrew.

On 8/22/2022 at 4:49 PM, jasong said:

There must be a problem with my control box shielding then. My phone interferes with the control box even when it's off. In the field and it's my only camera so I can't show it right now, but I'll post a vid of it when I get back home and find another camera to film it with. My S20 interefered with the GPZ control box too actually.

Maybe (just a thought), your cell phone shielding is not up to snuff?  Either way, I hope you find a solution.

On 8/19/2022 at 7:38 PM, GotAU? said:

I have both coils now too and besides the better ground handling and smoother threshold with the Coiltek,

Please forgive me and don't think I am going at anyone, but there is some great info posted above.

I'm not here to argue with anyone and will allow folks to make their own opinions.

But I'll give some facts of how the 10" Ellip GOLDHAWK coil will put more gold in your poke.  I really don't care if you agree with me or not.

FACT- The 10" Ellip is more narrow and at the sites we tested it, it did in fact find nuggets that had been missed with the factory stock 11" coil.  If you can't get an 11" round coil all the way to the ground or between 2 bigger rocks, or under brush as well as the 11" round, then you are tough out of luck.

FACT- In all my years of testing detectors and coils, I've been able to get a smoother operating detector with smaller coils.

FACT- Smaller coils see less mineralized ground than a bigger coil. 

FACT- Bigger coils cover more square inches of the same mineralized soil, if at the exact same site.

FACT- The more mineralized soil a detector encounters, the harder it is to respond to same size small target.

FACT- Not all sites have the same soil matrix.

FACT- On bigger gold a larger coil gets greater depth.

FACT- From times past on a variety of gold detectors, the smaller coil has produced better depth on the tiniest of gold.

FACT- From what was mentioned above at the top.  If a detector has "better ground handling and smoother threshold", then you'll be able to hear the fringe and deepest/weakest targets.

Again,  Each site is different and those sites usually have an average size of gold nuggets.  Each nugget and it's density + the depth of it, has a sweet or optimum size coil can hear it.

Either way, if someone is not happy with their coil purchase, at least you tried.  I do applaud folks taking the time to purchase one and do their own testing.  I also appreciate it for the folks who are willing to share their experiences.  Just realize there are many factors of testing to see a true winner and one site is not even in my opinion.  Heck, that's exactly why I have been testing the Axiom in 3 different states.