jrbeatty

15 hours ago, IronDigger said:

Hey jrbeatty ,

Have you had the time to take out the 18" Detech....whats the verdict...?

Yes IronDigger, but only for an hour or so. 

I put it head to head with my 18" flat wound Coiltek Elite on some gold targets sitting on ironstone conglomerate ground, (IE, air tests) using my 5000.

Similar depth for both coils on an ounce piece, also similar for a half ounce piece. The CC won convincingly, however, on a 3 gram piece.

HOWEVER: I ran both coils in "normal" timing. The 18" Elite is generally unusable in that setting on much Australian goldfield ground. The 18" CC, on the other hand , ran happily with no extraneous noise, just like its 32" big brother did for me some weeks ago. I was also able to run it in "Sharp" timing with no problems except occasionally sounding off on some shallow hot rocks.

As most GPX users are aware, "Normal" and "Sharp" are, respectively, the deepest usable goldfield timings and any coil able to run them has a considerable depth advantage over all other settings.

To say I'm pleased with the coil would be an understatement and now I can't wait to put it to work - - - but that will have to wait  :<(

Back to farming - - -

Speaking of gold and civil war relics, I found these years ago on and near the "Welcome Stranger" surfacing at Moliagul, Victoria:

Silver handle piece off a US "Liberty and Union" folding knife ca 1860's. Gold 7 grams.

I've found quite a lot of American artefacts and currency from that era over the years.

2 hours ago, mn90403 said:

I liked the result!  I wish I was there to see it.

Mitchel

You could have filmed it as well, Mitch. Bloody hard working alone with just a phone - 

Back Home.

I attempted a couple of videos but I'm certainly no Cecil B DeMille:

At least the shadows caught the action I missed - Sorry!

It turned out to be the biggest piece of the trip at .84 Troy:

4 hours ago, kiwijw said:

I second that JR 👍 I dig everything.

Hey JR...Do you follow the rugby? All Blacks play your Aussie Wallabies tonight in Perth. First Bledisloe Cup match. Should be a good trans tasman hit up. Your guys Wallabies are showing some improvement. So should make a game of it. 😜

Here is a pre match Haka, War challenge, from the All Blacks Game 3 of last years Bledisloe cup game.

JW 🤠

 

Gotta be honest Kiwi, if there's one thing I care about less than discrimination it's "thugby" 👎 

Anyway, you Kiwi's always win!

9 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Do they make a coil without that discrimination that would work better on the Kwed?

2 hours ago, fredmason said:

Thanks JR;

I don't mean to be obtuse or beat a dead horse...

I have read that  the Detech DD works very well to discriminate iron...

Does it really work that well?  I have had several MINELAB PI's including the 5000 and would not trust the discrimination on a bad bet!

Minelab's dd coils could not be relied at all in that respect...in my very, very,

un-humble opinion

fred

Fred and MN:

Discrimination is not a feature I have much use for. Because I work on "new" ground I rarely encounter junk at depth. It's too easy to get locked into relying on discrimination. I've lost count of the number of times Jimmy, Reg or myself have dug good gold under an old bolt or such on previously detected ground. Moral of the story, don't rely heavily on discriminators when prospecting.

All I can say in relation to the CC coils is that the iron reject function works, as to whether or not it is as good or better than a DD then you'll have to ask someone who cares! 

2 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Oh ... that is part of what I was wondering.  How would it be controlled.  So, I still have a 5000 and could use that feature.

Will you be able to use the discrimination on the QED?

Mitchel

You set the "iron reject" level of your choice on the GPX's for the CC coils, just like you do with a DD.

As I said, no discrimination available on the "Kwed". 

4 hours ago, fredmason said:

JR that is no doubt true.

However, the tone of the statement seems to indicate a much better discrimination than the stock coils....

It could be that I have become very cynical of much advertising, I would rather get the truth from users.

inquiring minds want to know, ya know

fred

Fred: I've used the 32" Detech coil and it blanks out iron like a DD on the 5000.

This feature isn't available with the QED as it doesn't have discrimination.

Fred; These coils discriminate the same as DD's on the GPX's

RRP: $A 850. Two orders now placed with Pete (Detech Australia) 😀 

PS: Howard has made a simple modification to the internal electronics of the "Kwed" to enable it to run these coils.

My dream coil is coming soon:

No price yet but putting my order in ASAP - - -

10 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Still raining after all these months?  I suspect then there is ground saturation down at least a foot.

When I was there it was very wet and there were puddles all over Bendigo and a few other places but you could dig down 4 inches and be into dry dirt that was dusty.

You've had a pretty good go at it.  I suspect you can't stay much longer unless you get Reg a different vehicle.  He said people watch where he goes and they would soon be on to you and your gold.

Mitchel

Good to hear from you Mitch. It's impossible in this day and age to keep a new gold area quiet for long. The trick is to leave as little as possible, but nobody or nothing gets it all - - -

At least Reg and I can legitimately claim to have discovered an entirely new Victorian detectable gold field three years ago - one that not even the "Old Boys" picked up on, despite a few desultory test holes - and has now resulted in many ozs in our kitty, plus an unknown amount to the newcomers, with the final extent of it still to be prospected up.

Tally so far:

With rain forecast for my last few days that may well be our blooming lot - - ?

A few more tiddlers:

Update: while gridding out an area this morning, I heard a faint dipping signal in an area which only yielded small flyshite in the past. 

Hit large rounded quartz gravels a foot down and dug through into red clay:

Personal best so far this trip. Sorry about the shitty image. Should read .842 ozt. 

Apart from 3 small flyshite that's all to report - - -

Currently camped on the job in central Vic where comms are difficult, but here's a progress report.

Been at it for a couple of weeks (I think ) but there are some results to report. I've been working solo a lot of the time but also with Reg when he's not too busy.

We started off testing the new Detech 32" coplanar concentric which Stinky Pete kindly loaned us for a few days. What a coil!

Although we didn't manage to put it over any deep gold, it's easily the deepest seeking coil we have ever used, yet sensitive to small targets as well. I'm ordering an 18" to 20" model as soon as they become available. Howard is busy planning mods to the QED so it can run them as well.

I'm pretty excited about these coils. My friend Tony has been winding and using them for years with great prospecting success. Needless to say, he isn't interested in owning a "Z"

Hang onto your GPX's folks, they're about to penetrate previously unreached depths!

Some of the properties we've been prospecting are familiar and some are new. Always a buzz to finally get onto new ground after meeting with the "Cocky" and negotiating a deal. In some cases the ground has been detected before by others, but with careful gridding we always manage more. On one property we worked yesterday a previously detected patch yielded an additional ounce and a half in chunky colours (young blokes we were told) Perhaps they were ignoring screamers, but we're not complaining

First up, my solo tally so far. largest piece (front) over half an oz. All found with QED PL2:

- and our shared tally to be eventually split 50/50 . Again, largest piece (front) over half an oz detected by Reg:

All gold located in patches on eroded Tertiary leads. Some pieces still have traces of the cement matrix they eroded out from.

A general view of one of the Tertiary patches with Reg's young foxy "Boo"  photobombing. Reg in the distance:

Posted elsewhere on this forum, my two largest pieces, found under 500kv powerlines:

A 400mm dig for a 5 grammer. I love that 18" Elite, it even centered shallow flyshite that doesn't register on my scales:

That's all for now. To be continued - - -

Currently camped on the job in central Vic where comms are difficult, but here's a progress report.

Been at it for a couple of weeks (I think ) but there are some results to report. I've been working solo a lot of the time but also with Reg when he's not too busy.

We started off testing the new Detech 32" coplanar concentric which Stinky Pete kindly loaned us for a few days. What a coil!

Although we didn't manage to put it over any deep gold, it's easily the deepest seeking coil we have ever used, yet sensitive to small targets as well. I'm ordering an 18" to 20" model as soon as they become available. Howard is busy planning mods to the QED so it can run them as well.

I'm pretty excited about these coils. My friend Tony has been winding and using them for years with great prospecting success. Needless to say, he isn't interested in owning a "Z"

Hang onto your GPX's folks, they're about to penetrate previously unreached depths!

Some of the properties we've been prospecting are familiar and some are new. Always a buzz to finally get onto new ground after meeting with the "Cocky" and negotiating a deal. In some cases the ground has been detected before by others, but with careful gridding we always manage more. On one property we worked yesterday a previously detected patch yielded an additional ounce and a half in chunky colours (young blokes we were told) Perhaps they were ignoring screamers, but we're not complaining

First up, my solo tally so far. largest piece (front) over half an oz:

- and our shared tally to be eventually split 50/50 . Again, largest piece (front) over half an oz detected by Reg:

All gold located in patches on eroded Tertiary leads. Some pieces still have traces of the cement matrix they eroded out from.

A general view of one of the Tertiary patches with Reg's young foxy "Boo"  photobombing. Reg in the distance:

Posted elsewhere on this forum, my two largest pieces, found under 500kv powerlines:

A 400mm dig for a 5 grammer. I love that 18" Elite, it even centered shallow flyshite that doesn't register on my scales:

That's all for now. To be continued - - -

Never mind that Minelab rubbish, get a real detector ? 

Found under 500k power lines.

Condor: You gave it your best shot - and yes,  it can be tough out west for anybody, not just Yanks.

Good luck with the detector - nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Hasn't travelled far from the source. Could be a lot more. Good luck!

1 hour ago, araratgold said:

Found another nice bit in one of my flogged spots today, beside a little patch in State forest. Went 3.6 grams. Also got an 0.2 gram crumb. 
Rough reef gold, as were all the bits from here. 

Only out for a couple of hours today, going to put a full day in tomorrow ! 

How well do these new Russian coils go ! Still had none of the problems that JP was talking about, and it balanced fine over the ferrite ! Ground here is bloody noisy in patches, but was still able to run Normal HY over most of it, which I could NEVER do with the GPZ14 or GPZ19. 

"Proof of the pudding" Rick. Nice lil' colour too. ?

51 minutes ago, Norvic said:

I believe it is the X coils ability to handle the ground smoothly  set in normal rather then difficult that has made the difference. Heh whatever, it works, gets the gold.

In the final analysis, that's all that matters - - 

PS: Hate those one colour patches!

Plenty of cheap 19" "Dog" coils on Fleabay and Gummie here in Aus.

Might be worth $AU700 to get the chip? Probably not worth putting the plug back on though.

Price seems to have dipped since all those faulty x coils hit the market. ?

7 hours ago, jasong said:

ML themselves or another 3rd party ARE working on a range of legit licensed coils and this Russian company put their coils out quickly before proper testing in order to make money before the legit coils were released.

Bingo! Jasong: After careful consideration I think you just hit the nail squarely on the head.

That would neatly explain JP's sometimes bizarre x coil criticism - and reluctance to publish results of his testing.

He knows the x coils deliver the goods  but would prefer people wait for the legit option - and can't say anything!

It would also explain other key players silence on the topic du jour. 

Stay tuned - - -

2 hours ago, kiwijw said:

JP...on another note. When you say you found gold straight away with the x coil/coils, was it on ground you had already been over with the ML 14" coil that was no longer producing for you? That has been my experiences, & it seems every body else's swinging these coils.

That's a good question Kiwi, but appears to remain unanswered. Why?

20 minutes ago, Jonathan Porter said:

When I was doing the prototype testing for the GPZ 7000 the initial coils had GPX connectors because the board was in a GPX housing, once Minelab went to the current housing the connectors changed so I had to go to an adapter to use the older GPX terminated coils on the newer housings, THAT then opened up a whole new can of worms with extra and unacceptable noise thanks to the extra connection. I personally DO NOT want to use any Minelab coil with a double connection let alone the hassle of having to use the X coils with one. In EACH and every case it has ALWAYS caused problems with noise!! The proto GPZ was a nightmare to use when it had GPX connectors on it, an absoute nightmare!! The pins on the GPX connector allow for way too much movement for high end electronics like the GPZ!

- - - but users are not reporting such problems.