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Other two are stainless 

Went water detecting on Saturday to a local beach.  This popular spot can be totally non producing.  It gets detected hard.  A four hour hunt, lake was lower than I've ever seen it and sand bars have really been moved around.   Results: 4 rings in 4 hours.  The big one is 17.4 grams 18k from Pakistan. Rang up like a zinc penny. The small one is under a gram and rang up like a stainless ring, but smaller.

That collection of tiny links gives a rumble noise, like when you were sitting in the back of your families station wagon and driving over a wash board part of road.  Not the feeling,  just the sound... lols.

I don't know if minelabs depth indicator is smart enough.  It really has issues with size of a target and depth.

While on holidays I had the chance to detect a very popular beach in the Kootenays.  Course ground rock sand with a lot of black sand, and absolutely littered with old nails and spikes.

I managed to recover approximately $3 in clad, some wheaties and a small silver ring.

Conditions were such: if target was within 1/2" of surface it would be identified correctly by detector.  Otherwise, pennies, pulltabs, whatever, would give an iron grunt and show on the 2d screen as iron. 

Stabilizer settings had no effect on filtering out the high iron content.

All in all, one of the toughest technical hunts, ever.

Actually, a clock or timer would be nice for those paid parking deadlines.  I don't always have a watch with me, and I  never carry a phone with me when water hunting.  I've damaged too many phones, even in those "waterproof" phone sleeves.

14 hours ago, TerryinHawaii said:

Beach hunters need salt sensitivity control for even greater depth.

If only!

Got you both beat!  Canada is last on the list....

I find that if a beach is hunted hard there are next to no pennies left.

So, depth issues to date:  

1: Even though sensitivity is at 18 or less, I'm still detecting old pull tabs, can slaw at 10" - 12". Have yet to find jewelry at that depth in parks. Though I  have pulled silver coins at that depth.

2: Too high of sensitivity creates too many eddy currents or feed back to be useful in target ID.

3: Soil mineralization creates a lot of feed back.  Stabilizer sometimes helps in getting falsing removed.

4: Manticore detects way deeper then Equinox ever did... 😁

Canadian clad sounds and looks like steel bottle caps to the Manticore.  Especially the $1 loonie and $2 toonie.  The only reason that I purposely dig those bottle cap signals is in search of a few bucks when a hunt is not producing.   I can say that I am digging considerably less bottle caps with the Manti than with the Equinox.  And don't get me started on the new 25c and 10c...

Pennies, zinc or copper.

When you recover them, examine how much corrosion it has.  I've noticed the more corrosion an object has the more trace it shows. This will help you dig less junk.

However, when an object like gold or silver is mixed with high iron content it will also look like a corroded object.  But it will sound smoother.  You still have to rely on your ears...

23 hours ago, longbow62 said:

 The Manticore definitely has a steeper learning curve than the Nox. Most people including myself thought there wouldn't be much of a learning curve if you were coming straight from the Equinox 800. I was wrong about that. The larger segment I.D., and more prone to false on iron. It's seems to me to be just a more sensitive detector in general. You tend to have to endure a lot more targets with the Manticore if you hunt in all metal.

I'm doing fantastic with mine. At this point no way would I trade it for any other detector. Personally I don't think if you had a Equinox 800 upgrading to a 900 was worth it, but that's just me. Coil selection is nice to have, but generally I prefer the 11" stock coils. Since I turf hunt mostly I find it pretty rare that any accessory coil is a major improvement over the stock coil. In certain situations sure, but for daily detecting no. They are nice to have, but I don't seem to ever use them that much.  

I also thought the Manticore would be an easy transition.   And like you, I wouldn't give it up.  The subtleties in signal responses has me digging gold and silver from overly detected parks in my area. I think the game changer is the 2D screen.  It confirms corrosion of metal objects with it's trace.  It also allows for target separation.  

In the long run, it's your choice to dig or not to dig...

I did this with the Nox.  It was explained this way.  High power from detector over excites the multi metal clad and causes a multitude of eddy currents, which in turn make the detector's filtering circuits over work and sometimes get confused.   No problem for a pure metal or alloy, but nickel, iron, tin and zinc in a conglomerate... kind of like a bottle cap.  

I detect in a high mineralized environment.  And the stabilizer works for me.  It works really well on land, but lake and river hunting is a totally different story.  

We don't have the history here nor the population.   And most finds are very modern.  As Phrunt said, you can run it at 35, but I find signals much more stable at low power.  Also our clad coin here in Canada is iron core multi layer.  And shows up as garbage signal with anything over 18 power.  So, there's a trade off.  Jewelry mid to high power or clad with low power.  

A friend of mine that hunts with a Garrett A/T Pro,  runs at 2 to 4 and finds lots of clad and jewelry.   

No issues with the update or Manticore.  You know, I look at it this way.  You have a Ferrari,  a specialist vehicle.  You can run it at full potential,  but do you?   There's a time and place for that.  Most times now I run it like I ran my Nox.  Around 25% power.  

Same thing I noticed with Equinox.   Cut sensitivity or power back to legal road speed and Shazam!  

Same detection abilities,  less falsing.  

The only thing that I've noticed.... coins on edge get missed running between 10 and 15.  If I'm shooting for silver coins, full speed ahead.

Went out yesterday in search of a lost ring at one of our towns ball diamonds. 

No ring, but I did use the enhancer on our highly mineralized ground here.  Set at 6.  Wow, it totally settled down the machine in all terrain low conductors. 

The constant 1 and 2 TIDs completely gone and now the signals are just too awesome.  I was able to pull out a 1949 Canada quarter from approx 8".  

2 hours ago, phrunt said:

Have you adjusted settings or just running your typical settings?

 

These are my settings for low and high conductors.

Discrimination is set at max leaving 1-3 open. 5 or 6 recovery speed. Tracking on. 

Another day hunting with the update.  Love it!  No more outside the coil falsing during sweeps.  And iron falsing is way down.  👍👍

I tried out the update today.  It definitely does make target TID's more stable.  The big red numbers for iron make these tired eyes happy.  And the sound boost works well for wind gusts too.  All in all, 👍👍

Just a note.

For some reason, only the USB cable that came with the ML105s worked with the update.  All good now.

11 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Manticore the competition?

Sorry you lost me.  What am I missing?

Sorry, I used a noun as a verb!🤐

No it's not weird.  The new update will Manticore the competition.  Or I've totally misread the Equinox progression. 

Screenshot of settings...

Anyone else notice that on silver and gold rings that are in highly mineralized ground the Manticore will show two targets?  Only with careful coil placement can you actually discern the low conductor. 

This would explain lack of separation with other detectors.

Thoughts?