Glenn in CO

Have a great trip Steve, hope you come back with some great finds and adventures to share!

Take care and have a safe trip.

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Getting this training before you buy your new detector has big advantages. It could keep you from buying the wrong machine.... or even make you decide to save your money entirely. Nugget detecting is not for everyone. 

Any newbie wanting to get into nugget hunting and prospecting with the expectation of being successful, this is the best advice they can get. Great thread Steve!

Interesting Video on a FBI seizure of safe deposit boxes and there view of people holding precious metals, cash, collectibles, etc.

Feds Now Want to Keep Safe Deposit Box Contents

On 5/22/2021 at 12:13 PM, Gerry in Idaho said:

Glenn,  You my friend are one of the few lucky guys to have a wife that enjoys the hunt while by your side.  Her enjoying the outdoors and chase of Au is as prized as a big nugget/specimen in itself and so for you two to be doing this so long is a milestone accomplishment.

Another thing, I'd like to add about you two.  I know and a few others, but many do not, that your are one of the premier CO specimen hunting teams and your efforts are top notch front page magazine material.

Just a total eye popping my friend.

Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge as well.

Thanks Gerry for the very kind words. Unfortunately the old age crap is beginning to catch up on us, more my wife than me. We still enjoy the friendly competition when we are  nugget hunting or coin/relic hunting. In fact she has found a gold coin and I'm still looking for my first. This coming July we will be celebrating our 50th wedding anniversary and I wouldn't change anything if I had to do all over again. I'm very blessed and we have many memories of great finds, adventures and friends.

Gerry, thanks for a great write-up, always enjoy your posts.

I and my wife enjoy the hunt and if we come home with a few nuggets big or small all the better. It's great if friends or family can join you too. Here are some specimens that we found using a VLF detectors between 1990 and 1995.

Very nice nugget!!  That one will be a nice specimen when cleaned up. 👍

4 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

From the looks of those in the first picture, don't forget to include 'experience'.  😁  (I'm probably older than 2/3 of those pictured....)

What's the story of that site?  Ghost town, trading post, mining camp, saloon?  From the coins you report I suspect a place where money was readily being exchanged.  It looks like you're well on your way to a couple harmonica rebuilds.  Thanks for the photos and encouragement.

Hi GB,

The Ghost Town was a old coal mining camp that began in 1877 and closed in 1924. Can't reveal the town's name due to the site being on private land and our club's policy in protecting the site for future outing.

One of most unique finds on a previous club outing from this site was a nameplate from a billiards table.

Well our club held it first club outing last week since the pandemic began last year. The club has had Zoom meetings every month for those who wanted to keep in touch, but everyone was itching to get together and enjoy some relic hunting. The club trip leader announced that this outing would be the thirty-fifth time the club has been to this site, the last time was 2018 and many coins (Seated Quarter, Indian Heads, Shield Nickels) tokens and relics were found. This club outing V-Nickels, Shield Nickels, Seated Dime, Indian Heads, Wheat Cents, tokens and relics were found. You would think after thirty-five times to this site it would be some what hunted out, but the site keeps producing or is our metal detectors technology getting better? Mostly Equinox's, Garrett's, XP Deus's , Whites were being used. My wife was using a XP Deus and I was using a Nokta Kruzer with a five inch coil. Looking forward to the next club outing the first part of June and other outings for the rest of the year.

Club members getting ready to head out to the Ghost Town

Beautiful day to be relic hunting

Here are some of the tokens and relics I and my wife found

Gerry,

Very interested in hearing your results on the GPX6000. The the type of wire specimen gold and some leaf gold specimens we find a PI detector will not pickup. Would love to have a PI detector that can detect our type of gold and provide additional depth compared to a VLF.

Nice and Chunky Gold! WTG👍

Looking forward to see your review on the GPX 6000.

Great bottle finds, looks like the transom fix and new motor are working well for you! 👍

Tom_in_Ca any further discussion with you I will yield to Steve H. comment below:

On 4/14/2021 at 2:15 PM, Steve Herschbach said:

I've used PI detectors to pull coins out of parks your VLF is not going to hit. That's not the same thing as telling people to buy a PI for park detecting. If the circumstance warranted, I would pull out a PI to hunt a park. But wisely, using smarts. Most commentary about all this stuff seems to assume people that have no clue as to strategy and tactics, and using the right tool for the job. I know my tools, I know what they can do, and I will use any of them in any situation I can imagine where it might offer me an advantage. I will use Equinox Beach Mode to hunt nuggets in a desert, and know of a case where that would be beneficial. I do not make rules for myself like "can't use PI in park".

Please read and reread as needed.

3 hours ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Or did you mean "successful" as in deep old silver ?  If so, I know of no one in CA who is "successful with the TDI" for that.  If you know who this fellow is, I would love to meet and compare over flagged signals with him.

I couldn't think of his name of the top of my head, so I did a little research and his name is Greg Moscini. He operated Trans Bay Metal Detectors, I believe in the San Francisco bay area and not sure if he is still in business.

Greg published the following in the White's TDI Manual:

47 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

There was a fellow here at the beach swinging a TDI on an eroded beach zone, that was RIDDLED with iron.  And ... granted, he no doubt got deep.  And ... granted, he could no doubt get tinsel thin chains.   And .... granted, he could no doubt cut nasty black sand.  Yet at the end of each day, we had 3x or 4x his goodie-count.   By the end of that erosion episode, we spotted him sporting a conventional machine.  But I suppose the push-back would be to say he was doing it wrong, or needed more practice, right ?

Never advocated or recommend using a TDI in a iron riddle site or area.

If I remember correctly there was a White’s dealer in the Bay Area using a TDI and was very successful in parks.

I guess if we happen to meet sometime in the future you will be wondering!

1 hour ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Sure.  Yes.  And so the claim goes on to exist as just that :  A claim.  😕  It Might be true, it might not.  Because the claimant says just what you're saying:  "I've got nothing to prove".   🙄

 

But the moment any "claim" goes to be shown as meritorious (in actual field tests by known aces in-those-fields), then:  The world rushes to avail themselves of the new and proven mousetraps.  They can not argue with side-by-side flagged testing results.   It's no longer "just a claim" now.

 

And such has been the case of all the leaps of tech. in md'ing that we've seen in our mutual decades .   When the older school folk see their #sses get kicked, then :  News spreads like wildfire .  And everyone else rushes to avail themselves of the better mousetraps.   

 

But if there is never any such tests going on, then alas:  These steps never come to fruition 😞

 

And when I read your above quote, I couldn't help but wonder "where have I heard that come-back-line before ?".   🤔  Then I remembered :  It was with dowsing:  The same fall-back line occurs from the dowser-faithful:   When the dowser is challenged to "show me" and "let's test it" and "let's compare", then:   His fall-back lines are identical.

 

That's not to say that the claimant's claims aren't true and meritorious !  It's just that:  You have to wonder why they aren't "chomping at the bit" to show the silly-old-schoolers that it can indeed be done.   I understand that you're busy, you're hours away, you don't care, etc.... I get it .  But it's odd that, if this is true, that *someone*, *somewhere* (even if not you), isn't simply introducing this new and better mousetrap to the world.  Instead, it's exactly the opposite :  Those that have tried to insist it can work to outpace standard machines in all relic and park-turf scenarios, generally disappear and are never heard from again, the moment a nail-ridden or trash-ridden location presents itself. 

 

Perhaps these persons simply didn't "practice long enough" or "didn't have their settings done correctly" or "didn't have the right machine", etc.....   Ok, sure .  But then :   you gotta wonder.

Tom,

I would like to respond to your post with my experience of using the TDI. I got one of the first production run of the TDI’s. My main intention in using the detector was for nugget hunting. Unfortunately the type of gold in the area we hunt the TDI was useless as well as other PI’s. So the TDI basically sat in the closet fo years. Basically using nothing but a VLF type detectors over the years the TDI wasn’t an easy detector to use and understand. This issue of using and understanding was more my fault as it was easier to use a VLF detector and enjoy detecting without second guessing what the detector was telling me.

I finally retired and decided to spend more time and learn how to use the TDI. I met with Reg Sniff a few times in local parks and listen and watch how was using the TDI. For some reason I didn’t click with TDI right way and it became a very slow and sometimes difficult learning process. But I was determine to learn how to use the detector and have the success that Reg Sniff had.

I have detected with friends and club members where I hear a potential deep target with the TDI and then have them see if they can get a response. This is what I base my comments on the depth capabilities of the TDI over a VLF detector. Again this based on conditions in local parks in my area, they my not work in other areas.

I’m glad I committed to learning on how to use the TDI and continue to learn the more I use it. My reward is finding older coins each time I use it.

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

Good stuff, Glenn.  Thanks!  I seem to recall (now that you've posted this) that you've previously reported using a TDI for coin hunting.

I assume yours is the original Pulse Scan TDI (big box) similar to the one Steve wrote his coin detecting article for.  And then you had it modified (presumably to make it better 😁).  What mods were done and how did that improve your unit?

I can see you (and others, including Steve) have emphasized that you use the TDI in difficult ground.  My sites here in Southern Indiana are intermediate in mineralization so not as bad as what you've encountered in Colorado.  I know Jeff McClendon has said that in greater Denver alone there is a huge range of mineralization depending upon location.

Hi GB,

The modification to my TDI was reducing the delay below 10us. Reg was hoping this modification would help in detecting smaller gold. Particularly the wire gold, unfortunately the modification did not help on this type of gold. 

My question would be in mineralization such as yours, would a TDI or PI achieve more depth than a VLF because of less mineralization?

46 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

Glenn,

 

It's no secret that the TDI can be made to ID nails (down to a certain depth anyhow), and also discern high vs low conductors.  HOWEVER :  The moment anyone goes to avail himself of these settings-tricks, is the moment that his depth is now reduced to that of normal standard machines.   Right ?

 Tom in my area the answer is no. I and my friend who uses a TDI Pro get a clear audio response where someone using a Equinox or CTX3030 get a iffy or no response.

54 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

I came away with the conclusion that the moment I set the TDI to work like a normal discriminating machine (cherry picking for deep silver) is the moment that I might as well use a standard machine.   Not to mention the fact that the TDI is a SQUIRRELLY son of a gun.  Very annoying fishy audio.  

My TDI is very stable in Ground Balance mode, Ground Balance mode off is very annoying.

59 minutes ago, Tom_in_CA said:

 

So do tell:  In your opinion, do you think that you can spank the user of a normal standard machine, with your TDI, in regular park-turf hunting ?  If the objective is deeper older coins (and not simply strip-mining clad, blah blah) ?

Yep and a lot of my detecting friends that got spanked!

My TDI was modified as well as my friend’s TDI Pro was modified by Reg Sniff.

Hello GB,

My main detector for parks is the TDI. I will list the settings I use and why I use them. With these settings I only listen for the deeper targets ( 5”or deeper) and the TDI will respond to deeper targets with a not as strong audio response. The surface targets or near surface will give a very strong audio response and the deeper targets will give a weaker response. Using this technique you can ignore many trash targets and concentrate on deeper targets. These settings completely ignore bottle caps, pull tabs and foil no matter what depth they may be at. Nails and wire will give a good response, but keep in mind I’m only listening for the deeper target so I’m digging less trash targets. People using the Equinox in are area can achieve some targets at the depths we are getting, but the are listening for deep target response with a scratchy audio. Our soil is highly mineralized and VLF detectors are limited on depth. I was fortunate to live close by Reg Sniff and he was able to give me advice on what settings to use. It will take awhile to become proficient with the TDI, but after a lot of hours you will have a better understanding of it.

Settings:

Sensitivity- Set at Max.

Delay- 10

Ground Balance- Just below the 5 mark.

Threshold- Light

High Conductor Setting

Frequency- Set at 12:00 o’clock.

I’m using the 12” Dual Field coil, but you definitely need a pin pointer as their is no meter or way of telling depth other than by sound.

I would not use the TDI in a ghost town setting that has a abundance of nails or any other areas that have a abundance of nails, but any other common trash items even with a large coil is not an issue. But you have to go slow and be patience and listen for the deeper targets.

9 hours ago, mn90403 said:

Well done and displayed.  Specimens to nuggets and enhanced value in the process.  Have you had offers?

Hi Mitchel,

These specimens and some others I finished cleaning I have not tried to sell yet. My favorites are the wire gold specimens, but I was surprised when I had other gold specimens appraised by Collector's Edge, a high end mineral dealer in Golden, Colorado, that the leaf gold specimens are more valuable than the wire gold specimens. The wire gold specimens have so much character and I enjoy what each specimen reveals during the cleaning process.

7 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

A+B had an interesting texture. "Golden Hummingbird  Nest" ?

Actually A, B, and C are consider " bird nests" or crystalline wire gold specimens. Specimen D is consider a crystalline leaf gold specimen. Amazing what mother nature is capable of creating! Hopefully everyone clicks on the photos and use the magnifying tool.

Here are the results on the four gold specimens from the post "Cleaning Gold Specimens - Step By Step Methods".

Specimen A:

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Specimen B:

Close up photos of Specimen B front and back:

Specimens C:

Specimen: D

PART SEVEN:

This is the final step of the cleaning process on these gold specimens. After soaking the gold specimens in Muriatic acid a few days I then place them in a solution of baking soda and water. There is an aggressive reaction for a short period of time to the gold specimens causing more of the host rock to be removed. Then I rinse each gold specimen in water. I then have four containers in which two have Muriatic acid, one with baking soda and one with water. I then take each gold specimen and place it in the first container of Muriatic acid, then in the second container of Muriatic acid, then in the solution of baking soda and the rinse each specimen again in water. I repeat this process several times. The reason I place each gold specimen two times in the Muriatic acid is because the Muriatic acid becomes weakened when I rinse the gold specimens in water. I then soak the gold specimens in a solution of baking soda for a couple days and the rinse them in water. The final step is to apply steam to each gold specimen for additional cleaning.

During the entire cleaning process there is some loss of gold from some of the gold specimens and it is a judgement call on how far one should continue the cleaning process. That judgement call can be great or it can be disastrous.

Pictured below is the loss of gold from the cleaning process:

I will post pictures in another thread of the gold specimens before and after the were cleaned.

PART SIX:

Here are the results of another round of soaking in the Whink solution and using baking soda and steam cleaner.

Specimen A still has a lot of the host rock to remove, Specimen B has some host rock embedded in between the wires of gold, Specimen C has a tiny amount which the photograph does not show and Specimen D needs no further cleaning.

At this point going forward using the Whink solution is not going to have the results I like to achieve. Next step I will use Muriatic acid with another round of baking soda and steam cleaner.

I will post photographs of the final results of the last cleaning.