bigtim1973

I too agree with the above on the XP ORX or maybe the Deus. The Deus is the most advanced machine I have ever had. Very light weight.....deep and fast.

The ORX is just as fast and just as deep with less adjustments....but the performance is still there. 

You would not go wrong with either machine. 

On 8/4/2020 at 2:54 PM, Bohemia Miner said:

My home was built in 1900.  My backyard is polluted with rusty iron in different sizes and stages of deterioration.  When iron becomes rusty, the metal detector no longer sees it as such.  So, Iron Mask and Discrimination can’t do their job.  It reads anywhere from foil to gold to silver. 

My thought and the reason for the thread in the first place is that I’m guessing that because it’s all over the VDI Spectrum, each frequency that excels on the numbers that they react to best, are seeing it (rusty iron) as targets.  As a result, all I’m getting is a lot of noise. 

I ran the single frequency Simplex and that noise was GREALTY reduced.  Having said that, I set my Equinox at 10 kHz only with far better results than Multi.

The whole point of Multi-Frequency is so that targets aren’t missed.  The biggest complaint I received from customers who purchased the 14kHz Whites MXT was that they weren’t finding any deep copper or silver coins.  However, I had a friend who declared that his MXT would spank his Minelab Explorer on gold rings every time.

 

So that brings me back to my original question, is there a “trade off” in performance between single frequency and multi?

It will come down to what your coil goes over and sounds off on. Not if one vlf freq vs multi vlf freq is better than the other. I found using multi freq on an equinox would false quite a bit in iron contaminated trashy areas swinging the coil near the iron trash before canceling it out while swinging over the iron trash. 

In single freq mode the equinox I had would do better in iron infested sites. 

So with this being said....maybe try using just single frequency mode for a bit and see what happens. I would go ahead and dig all of those iron targets out anyway to see what is beneath them. 

If you missed a target while swinging over a spot in multi freq mode then switched to single frequency mode and actually swung over the target while going back over the same area.....how would you know what mode would be better??? 

There is no way to know for sure unless one was to grid off an area and dig every thing in that spot until you heard no more targets at all then change frequencies or put it in multi frequency and do the exact same thing to see if anything was left. 

I know they were pretty active on face book. Maybe look and see if you could message them through there if you have an account. Or if you do not maybe someone in your family can try for you.

Did not know that they had something in the works!!

Man I was so excited that Garrett came out with a new unit in  a multi frequency option. I used to use Garrett machines often and have owned several different ones.

I got on youtube the other night and have noticed a few unboxing videos and first time out with an Apex video. SO I thought they were already on the market.

I was shocked to see that it is still on pre order this morning!! How is that?? I guess because maybe they have somewhat of a following that they are given special permission or privileges from the manufacturers of trying them out first.

However, I see a lot of b.s. over reacting sometimes in these videos that it makes me want to scream. Too much drama......finding silver halves in a hunted out lot......give me a break.

I am looking forward to guys comparing them to other machines in the field though. The Apex machine may be somewhat competitive to the equinox but it is not water proof.....Kind of a step up from a simplex in my opinion with the multi freq option.....but the simplex is still water proof and cheaper.

Anyways........there is a ton of videos on the Apex machine that has not even hit the scene for the public yet. At least when Makro Nokta discusses releasing a unit, they may mention a new unit but it is all kept hush hush until the release.

I saw this elsewhere and was very happy for you. Maybe there is some silver left somewhere up there

I think that is an awesome find!! I would love to find something like that myself!! 

Love those mercs!!

Cannot watch it for some reason.

Man........I am speechless.....that is some fantastic finds. Mind sharing your silver finds?????

It was a good deal. I am not surprised. 

13 hours ago, Kaolin washer said:

Jeff i have the Equinox 600 with the 11" and 6" coil got it new in end of may this year  ,never had it in the water but i dont trust it now . I will let it go with the 11" coil and the 6" coil shipped for 375.00$ I figure its chances of leaking are good , I figured it would be nice for the river  but I figure its not really going to stay dry  but i do most of my hunting in the woods and field, and ocasionally go to parks.

If Jeff does not jump on this I will buy it.

Keep looking there may be silver there!! Congrats on your first wheat!!

Yes I agree although there are some who would not. I sold my eq600, my racer and anfibio when I got my ORX. If I would have had others they would have left too.   Then I got a Deus as well. 

I am not saying the others were not good machines....they certainly had their place....I just enjoy the XP stuff more. 

The technology of todays machines are incredible. And how far they have come as well on design and ergonomics is way beyond what it used to be. I see several of the major brands trying to push the limits of VLF technology. 

I do not know how much farther it could go. But is sure is a long way from what we used to swing!!

Checked out your video. I have not used the gold modes much but the difference in sound was obvious. Thanks for sharing!!

Welcome aboard!! I am afraid you will not learn anything from me about looking for gold here in this forum because I do not know a thing about it!!! But no worries because a ton of the guys here will be able to help you out!! 

Have fun!!

Wow tough Conditions I have never encountered before or had to prepare for. 

I see why now it is so tough. The neat side of it though at least to me anyway is the fact that there are some interesting rocks and minerals you could come across as well while out there. I am a rock hound somewhat too. I think that would be very neat.

And meteorites...,any of you come across them??

1 hour ago, Jim in Idaho said:

I look at what you call prospecting from two different perspectives. IMHO nugget hunting, and using a highbanker, sluice, etc., isn't prospecting. I define prospecting as trying to find unknown deposits of marketable metals (a prospect). Real prospecting involves, at least most of the time, going to places where the odds of finding anything are low, but there is the chance of a big payoff, in the event you do find something. They are separate disciplines of the same overall activity, and to some extent, they use some of the same tools. I'm sure not everyone would agree.

Jim

I never considered the term before. Interesting perspective you have brought up. 

On 7/20/2020 at 10:27 AM, Jim in Idaho said:

Run time on a set of batteries in the DFX is more like 25 or 30 hours, not 5 or 6.

Jim

I mean 3 four hour hunts. So that makes about 12 hours a set. I did not know the dfx would go to 25 hours but I knew the MXT and m6 could. 

It is a great deal on that DFX. I believe it to be a more versatile unit than the simplex. The only draw back other than the DFX not being water proof to me would be the batteries it takes to keep the DFX up to snuff out in the field.  Other than that the spectra graph on the DFX coupled with the ability to run in multi freq is an advantage it has. I like the numbering system for whites machines as well. Nokta's TID numbers are fairly good. The durability of the DFX was great for its time. However, it is a crap shoot getting the DFX especially since what has become with Whites.

The push button pads on the whites DFX are known to go out and without having a replacement to install, it would turn into a brick I am afraid. There are a few coils left to be had but will an after market company still make coils for a business that is no longer in production?

I believe with all of the adjustments one can do with the DFX it is a superior machine compared to the simplex. The simplex may be deeper due to the larger 11" search coil.

So with these to take into consideration from my point of view and for fun if you will on what I would take.....I think I would take the simplex  for these reasons. 

The replacement part availability will be lacking very soon on the DFX. Also I know the DFX can get a rechargeable battery too but I have had several of those crap out on me through the years as well. The price of a package of AA batteries if bought at the big box stores are about 12 bucks for 16 batteries plus tax. If you use headphones with the DFX you might can get in three 4 hour hunts on a set if your lucky. So that is $6.00 every time you need to replace batteries.

With the larger coil size that is DD style, being waterproof, has a rechargeable battery and a straight rod set up, the better deal to me would be purchasing the Simplex.

HH Tim

Hey everyone, I hope all is well. Prospecting for gold is something I have always wanted to do. However, I do not think I will ever get the chance to go out west and try it out.

So with that said, I have a few questions about electronic prospecting with a detector.

how much does it supplement your income?

What about chiggers and ticks, do you have to deal with those pesky critters too out in dry climates?

Other than your machine and digging stuff, what else does one take along while prospecting for those just in case you need it scenarios?

Do you hunt mostly on a claim or public land?

Sorry if this is downright boring for some of you but it is something I have wondered about.

14 hours ago, Kaolin washer said:

How does it sound on a 14kring in 31Khz, as you had it tuned in

It would give the mid tone and the numbers would stay consistent.

I am new as well so welcome!!

I hate chiggers like crazy and we have them here in TN very bad.

There is a product I use called chigg away. It comes in a little green bottle and you can get it online. 

It is sulfer based. Kind of a cream paste style product. I smear that all over my ankles and also rub some on the outside bottom of my pants legs. Also some on my socks after I have applied it to my ankles. 

I have yet to have any after applying it to my lower leg area. 

Good luck. 

5 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Thanks for the video and welcome to the forum - I have found that this "trick" is highly dependent on the composition and condition of the crown cap.  This doesn't work well on a pristine Corona crown cap but will work better on a rusted cap.  Regardless of composition or corrosion, what I HAVE found to be a reliable "tell" for a bottle cap is that will always experience an iron grunt of the front or back edge of the coil if you wiggle off the target, provided you have iron volume on (a pure non-ferrous target will not give that grunt unless ferrous nearby or the ground is highly mineralized) - the grunt effect is more noticeable at higher operating frequency settings.  Furthermore, if you listen carefully in your video, despite the similar visual target ID readings for the quarter and crown cap, to a Deus/Orx experienced ear, the audio is noticeably different.  The crown cap gives a more distorted, hollow sound due to the ferrous content while the quarter gives the telltale sonar ping that leaves no doubt.  Furthermore, the difference in behavior you noted between Coin Fast and Coin Deep is probably attributable to the fact that Coin Fast incorporates the Deus default silencer filter settings at  the lower recovery speeds (you did not note your reactivity setting) while Coin Deep has silencer turned off for all reactivity settings.  Silencer breaks up and somewhat mutes falsing ferrous, especially at higher frequencies. HTH.

yes you are correct. with the modern aluminum alloy types it would be harder to distinguish. But if I remember correctly they seem to pop up a little lower than what the zinc pennies do. I need to go and check this out. I have several of them out in a bin.