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Welcome from East Texas.

I'm enjoying watching your & your friend's new Channel.  Well done.

I actually have all 6 coils. They all have their place for various site conditions and are all excellent. You should be able to get any of them in 5 pin from Richard at Backwoods.

Welcome from East Texas.  I enjoy the Vista X also,

Welcome from East Texas.

Welcome from East Texas.

Welcome from East Texas.

10 hours ago, RobNC said:

Hell, who wouldn't be happy??!! The best of  both worlds. The Legend for rough and tumble stuff down in the muck to dig everything when you were bored, and the Versa for cherry picking places first. Seems like a winning combo.

Can you tell me if that Rutus Versa is actually better than the Legend by a large margin or is it just my infatuation with the Versa at the moment that is blinding me. I don't have the Versa but lust for it badly. I do have the Legend, The Equinox 800, and the XTerra Pro. The 3 Stooges.

Overall, I will use probably use the Legend more hours than the Versa. The Versa is my primary choice for the more difficult conditions; very heavy iron trash, deeper targets in mineral red dirt, but I will have worked the Legend there too.    The Legend would be my first choice for hunting in Aluminum trash, but I will later go back with the Versa.   These are the scenarios that I have found where one has an advantage over the other for me.  Except for in these "special" conditions, both machines are neck & neck on performance. Both are equally rugged.  Like any detectors, each will "see" things the other will miss. That is why I will use both on a site. That is why I will also work a good site with the Tarsacci, Vista X and/or some of my other units. They each have unique qualities.  That is why I will also try to get Nokta's relic PI they are to introduce.

Keith Southern advocated for something similar. He described his idea as a Sonic Picture of a target.

 What EL NINO just stated for me too.  The Legend is an excellent all around detector. Very deep and accurate if set up & used correctly. Where it falls short for me is on deeper targets in my mineralized red dirt. The V1.14 Dt adjustment helps significantly. The Be mode also, but Dt is more practical for me unless the ground is very clean & I am only searching for deep larger relics.    
 Because I have the Versa, it will be my primary unit for deeper targets on my red dirt sites both with and without iron. I will still use the Legend with the LG 35/13” coil too. On low mineral sites set up right with the big coil & using Dt it can be deeper than the Versa on some targets. I’m glad to have both rigs.

6 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Thank You Dilek, the engineers and field testers and Nokta.  That was an outstanding set of videos.

They answered two big questions for me.

1. Do I need to do a ground balance in Beast Mode using the normal ground grab procedure?

Yes, especially where I detect since without one my Legend just howls if I even move it a couple of inches left, right up or down. After doing a normal ground grab, my Legend in Beast Mode was very quiet.

2. When do I need to use the second ground balance for MBe?

Since the soil I hunt in has high iron mineralization I assumed I needed to do the second ground balance and I found that to be very tedious. So, no I don't need to do the second ground balance unless I am experiencing actual detectable as targets hot rocks and/or changeable ground conditions that can be detected as targets.

I was able to try MBe at a site with very little EMI but with high iron mineralization.

I used my Manticore to find 6 wild borderline targets that could be a rusted nail or a US high conductor coin like a wheat penny, copper memorial penny, clad dime or silver dime. All of these targets sounded very iffy using the Manticore but I would have recovered them if possible. I flagged those targets. They all seemed to be at least 7" deep judging from the Manticore's depth readings and from the less intense lower tone when pinpointing those targets with the Manticore's pinpoint function. I was using the Manticore in All Terrain General with its preset upper and lower iron limits, All Metals accepted, recovery speed 5, 5 tones, Normal audio, sensitivity 24.

I got out my Legend and had it setup for Park M1, A discrimination pattern sensitivity 24, recovery speed 5, iron filter 1, iron stability 4, bottle cap 0, 6 tones with tone breaks at 10, 20, 29, 43 and 50. I also had Beast Mode setup with the A discrimination pattern, sensitivity 24, recovery speed 5, iron reject 0.

I went over each flagged target using Park M1 as setup. All 6 targets gave very faint to no response with the responses being mostly iron responses and target IDs of 1 to 4 or 59/60. These responses were much more iffy and tending towards iron than the Manticore's. The targets were also a bit difficult to pinpoint using the Legends pinpoint function, meaning that getting all of the pinpoint graph bars to fill up was hard to do which usually means the target is iron from experience.

Using the Beast Mode as setup, all 6 targets were very easy to isolate with distinct high tones with iron reject on 0. Adjusting iron reject to 2 helped to determine which targets were probably iron and which were not. Target IDs were 1 to 4 on these targets with the occasional 55 to 60. Much like the demonstration video, targets that had a non ferrous response and target ID of 2 that were actually iron, had ferrous responses when I turned up the iron reject setting to 2. Those iron targets still had a target ID of 2. So, as Nokta has repeatedly said, do not depend on the target IDs when using Beast Mode. The Legend in Beast mode correctly identified all 6 targets as far as ferrous or non-ferrous. 4 targets were rusted nails in the 8 to 10" depth range and 2 targets were US wheat pennies again in the 8 to 10" range.

Well done Nokta!!!!

 

 Jeff, did you experiment with Dt in Park mode on those flagged targets?  The little extra depth I can get with BE mode comes with little to no extra target information compared to Dt enhancement at practically the same depth.

A very good thread topic.

Welcome from East Texas.

 At some point I intend to set my test back up in better planned EMI free conditions. The Legend seems to also have two main TX frequencies no matter the mode(except BE) or even SMF selection. The secret sauce is evidently in the signal processing.

They look like galvanized knock out plugs from electrical junction boxes. Are they magnetic?

Probably silence without DT activated.

I don’t own a MInelab unit.

The spike at 25 kHz did remain. It was evidently a constant outside source of EMI.  I should have done some pre video testing, but just did it on the spur of the moment. A more EMI free spot would have been better. Thanks for watching.

I made a Post with a video link to my off the cuff frequency read out of the Legend in Gold Field & BE modes using the Versa's EMI Preview Screen.  The consistent 25 kHz spike was evidently from a constant outside EMI source.  Nothing even close to conclusive but interesting.  I've got to get a better camera!

I had the idea to use the EMI Preview screen on the Versa to look at the Legend's new BE & Gold Field Modes. Nothing conclusive but interesting none the less. The consistent 25 kHz spike is evidently constant outside EMI. I need to redo this in an EMI free place.

4 hours ago, GB_Amateur said:

More great finds!  The 1900-O dime is not common, particularly in higher grades (F-12 and above).  I hesitate to give my opinion of the grade as photos typically don't show enough detail, but you can try your hand here.

It’s about G-4.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I was looking at the notched base & knew it was hafted on to some sort of handle.

Gen D is a motion All Metal mode with adjustable tone pitch breakpoint & TID. Great concept but I have never been able to get it to function anywhere near as good as the Anfibio's very powerful motion Disc modes.

We will see how close it might be related to the Anfibio/Impact Gen D modes.