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Good to see you posting again Tom.....
Don't be a stranger.
Nice gold by the way.
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I got back to Benson beach this last weekend.. worked Fri. & Sat.. a couple hours each day before my back told me to quit for the day.
I'll post some pics later.
Be this weekend before I get the cons cleaned up.... So at this point I have no idea how I did for the 2 days.
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On 4/16/2019 at 8:45 AM, Steve Herschbach said:
Down for over a week now. That is notable. As a website owner such a thing would be considered a major disaster. I get worried here just over the forum running too slow... an outage is a freak out event. It has the hallmarks of a meltdown with no backups made recently. Google is already delisting it in results. Not good.
White's may not care. The manufacturers by and large have moved on to Facebook as their preferred messaging medium.
Facebook is a sorry alternative in my humble opinion.
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6 minutes ago, AeroXray said:
Thanks for the information I have a lot to learn. I had sent an email to SRP prior to posting here.... apparently It forwards to Dennis Katz. I spoke with him today. I'm going to work with him to design a setup that will work for me. The problem to work through is "I" don't know what I want. How wide, how long, what mat configuration etc. He is clearly very knowledgeable and I hope to have some success on the beach. I feel like 24" wide would be a bit much as I don't think I could feed it fast enough with buckets. But again that's speaking from no experience.
What I think I want is a highbanker that could be taken down and used as a ground sluice on the Oregon beaches. You have a nice setup there. At what point width wise are you looking at moving from a 12V pump to gas?
I also see that you are classifying your material while others on the beaches do not. Is there an advantage that is particular to the magnetic mat section of the sluice?
Is your setup optimized for the beach sands or does the multiple mats simply allow you to run other materials such as river mud and gravel better?
Also thanks for the videos and photos of your setup.
My sluice is 16" wide and a series of 24" long sections. If you zoom into the image of my sluice you can see the sections which are connected with angle stock.
That allows me multiple configuration options, change the length or setting it up into a high banker....... In Oregon you can't use power on the beach.
In Washington you can.
So you have to think about how much sluice you want to pack to your location.
The 2000GPH pump seemed to do a good job for the width of my sluice and allowed a good feed rate.
The classifier I use is to keep any foreign matter from passing down through the sluice which might cause an interruption of laminar flow that might set up turbulence that could dislodge fine gold .... As I watched some of the other beach miners who did not use a classifier they were having problems with the stuff that gave me no trouble at all.
I use multiple mats because even on the beach there are multiple sizes and shapes of gold..... This just gives those odd shapes a better chance to get caught .... As to the cleangold at the end of the sluice...... Same thing, it will catch the gold that ran the gauntlet of mats and it will also catch even finer gold .... I have caught -300 mesh and smaller in the magnetic section.
Dennis can put a good system together for you that you will be able to use as a ground sluice or high banker..... He has lots of experience with beach gold in both Oregon and Washington.
By the way there is a loophole in Oregon beach mining... You can run a recirculating unit if it is setup above the extreme high tide line or in the vegetation line..... Only problem is packing water and sand to your setup.......
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Great job.....That will get you into some places others can't get to..........
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Cleangold is surprisingly efficient at capturing fine gold plus it can be fed faster than the gold cube.
I pretty much use the cube for cleanup anymore. In fact I have been thinking of selling my 5 stack.
Now what I use for beach mining is a multi stage sluice.... On the last trip I configured it to 8 feet long with a header box that dropped onto a 1/8th inch punch plate to keep anything other than sand running into the sluice.
The top of the box had a section of slick plate followed by a section of 1/4" sawtooth mat, followed by a section of deep V mat and finally by a section of cleangold.
Regarding SnakeRiver products they have closed that site to my knowledge. Regarding the cleangold website .... I don't know what is going on with that. I think they have pretty much given up on the US market and focus on the artisanal miners of the third world countries.
If you want a cleangold sluice I know the fella that cut a good system together for you His name is Dennis Katz and he had been the US distributor for cleangold .... He has improved on the system by doing pretty much what I have done and that is incorporating additional mat types within the sluice. If you want his contact info let me know.
There is enough info on the web that would allow you to make your own now also the patent has expired on cleangold.
I will refer to cleangold as a magnetic mat system from here on out since that is truly what it is.
Here is a video of David Plath in Nome and here he shows how to use the prospector sluice and that is as close as you will ever get from him for free.
That is partly why he failed in the US market... He would give you no info unless you bought the system from him. There are forums that even banned the systems discussion because of threats of lawsuits from him.
There is a pretty good thread on cleangold over at Canadian Gold Prospectors... Here is a link to that one.
http://gpex.ca/smf/index.php?topic=3281.0
Anyway that should get you started.
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Here ya go...... 1.52 gram.
Not bad for the material I actually moved.
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Well I finally got the preliminary cleanup done... just letting it dry so I can weigh it later, also there is still more but it is extremely fine so I will probably just do a borax firing in the furnace.
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Well I just got back from Benson beach. Haven't had a chance to do a cleanup yet but will get to it in a day or two.
For cleanup I use my gold cube with deep V mat on the slick plate .... There is still a bit of black sand to deal with but finish panning makes quick work of it.... I don't have much use for a blue bowl.... Now you don't need a gold cube to do your clean up just make a small sluice tray and put deep V mat in it... small sluice size is a little variable but 8" wide by 24" long works real well. use about 800 GPH with the sluice angle at about 15 deg. As you run your cons you can watch and tune everything from there ....
Here are a few pics of the beach weekend.
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If it is a GPAA show there have been other cancelations that I've heard of as well....
I think there have been some changes at GPAA.
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Hey Seadog.
Glad to see you here..... Welcome to the best forum on the web.
I dropped you a PM with a little info .
I do have a thread over at Treasure net . here's a link.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/sluicing/454120-got-out-little-today.html
I haven't added much to it for a while but there is some more stuff for you to check out.
I haven't really hit the beach in almost a year..... wow how time flies when your sidetracked....
But I am really looking forward to the upcoming trip.
Anyway if you have more questions just ask.
I'm happy to help if I can.
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Maybe this vid will give you some clarity.
While it is geared to RVs... power consumption is power consumption...... the guy gives you some good info and tests for comparisons.
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Well it has still been a while since I hit the beach....
Last time I looked at the little beach I visit it was not inspiring...lol
Anyway I have set the end of march for a trip up to Benson Beach. I have been there a couple times to visit but not to mine. I am looking forward to this little weekend adventure and hope to get some nice gold.
Here are a couple pf pics of Benson Beach..... LOTS of black sand.
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Battery ratings can be a little misleading. I would only count on about 1/2 to 2/3 of the battery rating.
Also lead acid has a voltage/power curve... you will get less volume from your pump as you use available battery reserves. a Lithium battery however will maintain the 12 volts right up to the point it dead... well almost anyway..... But who wants to spend a thousand bucks on a lithium battery...lol
Anyway much success in your endeavors.
By the way.... Where are you going to be using your setup? Is it for areas that are easily accessible or do you have to hump all that gear into your site?
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10 hours ago, 1515Art said:
Hey John, nice setup and what size pump and pvc tubes are you using? Reason I ask I’ve been playing with a 1200gph bilge pump ok for the small sluice but worthless powering a small 12v suction nozzle so I ordered hmmm... a total of 3 new 12v pumps to try out that should give better head?? first one gets delivered Wednesday, next on Friday and the first pump I ordered s coming from Korea in April. They range from 1000gph with 7m lift to 4000gph 9m lift (2000gph @ 9m) and I’ve been using a 2” syphon and am wondering if I’ll need more. Also the 4000gph pump pulls 20amps at 12v so I’m also not sure if that’ll be any issues other than sucking the battery dry faster?
Hey Art.....
The pump is 1000 GPH and the tubing is 2 1/2".
It keeps up with the pump nicely but you can see a slight difference in water level between the two tubs.
If I went any bigger with the pump I would either have to increase the size of the syphon tube or add another.
As to your using bilge pumps for your suction nozzle ... They just don't produce enough pressure to be efficient. You need something that will supply high pressure water to create an adequate venturi in the nozzle.
I also think the power requirements for all those pumps is going to be staggering ... You might want to look into something like this. it only weighs 14 pounds and will deliver all the water you likely will need for your applications.
Or this one from Harbor Freight...... https://www.harborfreight.com/1-in-79cc-gasoline-engine-clear-water-pump-35-gpm-63404.html
The pump from amazon has a throttle control.... Not sure about the Harbor Freight pump.
But .....Noisy little beasts as are any gas engines...
Just some thoughts.... Good luck on your endeavors.
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Thank you stick. I got the syphon idea off you tube, the one 1515Art linked to. It works really well... Keeps up with the pump no problem.
If I decided to up the GPH I just would add another syphon ..... Easy to do though.
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Here's the system I use for my Gold Cube..
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All the best to you Tom.
Don't be a stranger.
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So what's up with Toms departure......
Whites has lost a lot of good people in the last few years.
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OK.... I missed that.... getting old and apparently my reading comprehension is getting poor as well......
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No problem Steve... Go ahead and delete those PDFs .
What about posting the weblink to the website for those publications?
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I have also heard there are some gold rich beaches on Vancouver Island...
I don't know what the regulations are that you might have to deal with though but might be worth looking into.
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I understand completely and no problem here.
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OK.... Got the bulk of it cleaned up.... Still have a little finish panning to do but not enough to make a big difference in the final tally.