HardPack

Check out the "Metal Detector Advice & Comparison" for a side by side comparison of the Equinox 800 search modes to The Legend search modes per the information provided in their respective manuals.

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On 12/30/2021 at 10:27 AM, HardPack said:

The  Nokta Makro Legend draft user manual is now online.

Quick read of the manual: no reference to the range of SMF utilized in any of the search modes; all four factory modes preset to recovery speed 5; recovery speed adjustable; all four search modes can be modified by user then saved to a numbered custom user search mode 1-4 for a total of sixteen. 

Just posted under "Detector Comparisons" a brief side by side comparison of the Minelab Equinox 800 search modes to the Nokta Makro Legend search modes per their respective manuals. Give it a look.

Nox Manual vs Legend Manual.pdf

I am getting out of the way.  
 

The  Nokta Makro Legend draft user manual is now online.

Quick read of the manual: no reference to the range of SMF utilized in any of the search modes; all four factory modes preset to recovery speed 5; recovery speed adjustable; all four search modes can be modified by user then saved to a numbered custom user search mode 1-4 for a total of sixteen. 

A draft copy of the Nokta Makro Legend user manual is available online on the Nokta Makro website.

The difference between the two gold modes is something I could only speculate about.

That was insightful. I think the difference in several of the Equinox modes is the profile recovery speed settings. Other forum members have indicated they have used the Equinox 800 Park 2 mode in addition to the two gold modes while prospecting. At this point based on the information available Nokta Makro has apparently used five detection modes, if you count beach dry & beach wet as two, to compress what Minelab has done with eight detection modes. Since the frequency range for detection modes is not adjustable by the end user in either detector the variant points to recovery speed. Minelab seems to provide a different recovery speed in the detection mode eight profiles. Nokta Makro does not which would require a user recovery speed adjustment of a Legend specific detection mode, of unknown frequency range, to be saved to one of the four custom user modes. XP must of seen me coming with the ORX/HF coils. Thanks for the information.

Thanks Cal,

I re-listened to Dilek’s release presentation but did not pick up on a reference to specific frequencies. The battery was moved from the under arm to the control system box. I posted the frequency range/mode question as a new topic under Detector Comparisons. I suspect it will get more push back than answers or just ignored. Hopefully the Legend manual will be posted on Friday. Enjoyed seeing your finds. So far the NM Legend appears to be a solid unit. Looking forward to your field tests. No doubt the weather will be in play. 
HP

Minelab’s competitors have given them a lot of pricing wiggle room with one coming in at $700 and the other at $1,600. Minelab knows the wants of their market base and will fill that gap. I am willing to shell out extra for carbon fiber to get the next generation of technology. However, XP has elevated the game. I am watching for a Minelab surprise this Spring.

2 hours ago, PimentoUK said:

You're getting 'concerned' about something that's unknown. There are no Legend's in the hands of folks who can put a spectrum analyser on it and get some insight into what it does/doesn't do, what frequencies it uses in what modes, etc. The Equinox is less unknown, but even then the exact algorithms/techniques used are hidden in software, not disclosed by Minelab, may be patented, or may be just proprietry knowledge/trade secret.

Regardless, it's not going to make any comparisons easy.

And these are just the first models of both companies smf range. Clearly there's loads of extra features could be put onto high-end Equinox successors, and Nok-Mak are certain to be thinking ahead to other new models, and will be studying the feedback from Legend users ... just a Minelab will have done with the Equinox user reports.

I am not asking Nokta Makro to reveal their proprietary software secrets. Nokta Makro’s current  simultaneous multi frequency competitors provide a weighted range of frequencies utilized in their respective detection modes/programs. That is what I am asking…a range not the specific frequencies. I assure you my concern is a real time known. I have extended to Nokta Makro several opportunities to address this issue directly. It was Nokta Makro’s decision to release a new product. Now is the time for them to answer some basic questions regarding that product with a reply other than “be patient guys”.

What is the differences between the “range of simultaneous multi frequencies” utilized in both the Equinox 800 detecting modes and the Nokta Makro Legend modes?
 

Here is my attempt to explain my concern:
Per the ML Equinox 800 user manual the Equinox provides four (4) detecting modes: Park, Field, Beach, Gold; plus eight (8) profiles divided in two (2) pairs per mode: such as Park 1, Park 2, Field 1, Field 2, etc; and one (1) custom user profile side button.

Park 1, Field 1, Beach 1 & Beach 2 are “weighted” on the “lower simultaneous multi frequency range”.

Park 2, Field 2, Gold 1 & Gold 2 are “weighted” on “ higher simultaneous multi frequency range.

The NM Legend has four (4) detecting modes: Park, Field, Beach (dry & wet) & Goldfield; zero (0) profiles such as Park 1, Park 2, etc; and four (4) user custom modes. All the detecting modes, per NM all modes are optimized for depth.

Currently NM has not addressed nor is there a specification “weighing” the range of simultaneous multi frequencies (low, mid, high) utilized in any of the NM Legend’s detecting modes. 

The YouTube video “Pasture 1” find of a thin coin indicates the “Field mode” may be utilizing a higher SMF range. When the Legend’s user manual is available online perhaps Nokta Makro will explain how simultaneous multi frequencies are utilized or weighed specific to each of the NM Legend four (4) detecting modes. Do the math 4x2 =8; 4x1=4; 4-8= -4. Certainly an answer I will be looking for prior to placing a pre-order or purchase.

On 12/23/2021 at 12:07 PM, Luis said:

 

What is the differences between the “range of simultaneous multi frequencies” utilized in both the Equinox 800 detecting modes and the Nokta Makro Legend modes?  Here is my attempt to explain my concern:

Per the ML Equinox 800 user manual the Equinox provides four (4) detecting modes: Park, Field, Beach, Gold; plus eight (8) profiles divided in two (2) pairs per mode: such as Park 1, Park 2, Field 1, Field 2, etc; and one (1) custom user profile side button.

Park 1, Field 1, Beach 1 & Beach 2 are “weighted” on the “lower simultaneous multi frequency range”.

Park 2, Field 2, Gold 1 & Gold 2 are “weighted” on “ higher simultaneous multi frequency range.

The NM Legend has four (4) detecting modes: Park, Field, Beach (dry & wet) & Goldfield; zero (0) profiles such as Park 1, Park 2, etc; and four (4) user custom modes. All the detecting modes, per NM all modes are optimized for depth.

Currently NM has not addressed nor is there a specification “weighing” the range of simultaneous multi frequencies (low, mid, high) utilized in any of the NM Legend’s detecting modes. 

The YouTube video “Pasture 1” find of a thin coin indicates the “Field mode” may be utilizing a higher SMF range. When the Legend’s user manual is available online perhaps Nokta Makro will explain how simultaneous multi frequencies are utilized or weighed specific to each of the four (4) detecting modes. Certainly an answer I will be looking for prior to placing a pre-order or purchase.
 

19 hours ago, Cal_Cobra said:

They've offered a battery pack since the Kruzer series which had a can style spare battery pack.  The top unscrews and inside is a AA battery holder, so you could run rechargeable AA's and it have another day or two of power.   It bolts under the arm cuff, it's an easy to use, cost efficient KISS design IMHO.  Keeps the cost down for both Nokta and the user with options (rechargeable batteries or disposable), and I see that with every new generation of water machine they offer an external battery they keep improving the design. 

 

Updated design for Nokta Legend:

According to the NM website optional back up battery is:

waterproof, LiPO (Lithium Phosphate), 3.2 vdc, 5500 mAh with charger & cable.

The charger cable looks to have a standard USB. If so you could recharge the battery at home or in a vehicle USB port.

On 12/27/2021 at 7:58 PM, Cal_Cobra said:

Nothing scientific, it's the first test I did on the Legend so I could get familiar with a variety of targets one could encounter when detecting in the U.S.   I do a quick walk thru testing Field Mode in full tones on a variety of targets to check out the Target ID aka TID and audio characteristics, as well as some of the settings of this new Equinox challenger as we get ready to take it to the field!!

 

 

Cal

When you get in the field could you take a look or guess at the multi frequency range ( low, mid, upper ) for each of detection modes: park, field, beach dry, beach wet & goldfield.  Thanks

With Steve’s prototype “S” shaft the Equinox control unit mounts between the bottom of the “S” curve and the arm cuff with a upward offset of approximately 41/2 to 5 inches. That should transfer to coil pressure to the bottom of your arm at the cuff. In my opinion the advantage is the control unit drops down for better ground & coil viewing plus is probably less top heavy.

The ML Xterra “S” shaft offset downward approximately 2 3/4 inches which does transfer load pressure to the bottom of your arm at the cuff. 

You will have to ask Gwcracker for clarification. However some White detectors have the control box mounted to the bottom of the shaft. The TDI SL the control box is mounted below the shaft between the lower end of the “S” shaft and arm cuff. 

3 minutes ago, Ridge Runner said:

NCtoad

 You missed your calling when passed up being a palm reader. You read mine correct.

 If it don’t even know how to swim it’s okay . I must admit if I wanted to sale it down the road that would enhance the price.

 I’ve got microwave popcorn and I’m just sitting back enjoying all the videos .

 Chuck 

Keep a video eye out for Garrett. I am sure they received a lot of great feedback & requests on the Apex. Such as an updated all terrain expanded multi frequency version.

Quote from Nokta Makro Facebook on December 24th regarding the Legend manual:

“Just a small update. The user manual has been sent for proofreading....we know we promised to put it up and we will do that next week. Thank you all for your patience!”

18 minutes ago, Gerry in Idaho said:

If they are all cleaned and smoked to perfect, we'll talk.  Nice backyard my friend.

Gerry,

Would you settle for some well groomed turkey jerky? You throw in a northern Nevada XP Deus II french lesson and I may be willing to sweetened the deal with a couple bucks provided there's a veteran's discount.

Does anyone have any concerns regarding the NM Legend control unit display material covering the 9 or 10 control buttons.? I have a GPS unit with what seems to be similar material over the side & top control buttons. After a few years, well past the warranty period, the flexible rubberized button material hardened, cracked then eventually fell off exposing the actual recessed switches. The GPS unit still operated with the help of a wooden match stick for pushing the recessed switches. What’s your take on the NM Legend waterproofed buttons?

Chuck,
Sit back and enjoy the moment, winter is just starting up. Calabash has a Legend on pre-order. It a sure thing he will run it up against the equinox 800 on some hot Colorado dirt. The Legend videos are just now coming out, enjoy. Keep in mind, rumor has it that Minelab has five secret products releasing prior to the end of the fiscal year ending on June 30th 2022. When those rumored releases are announced we can enjoy another four months of waiting and watching videos as the pre-orders roll in. By then the XP Deus II “goldfield program” will actually be detecting of the goldfields and Nokta Makro will kick out a 9x5 coil for the Legend to stay in the game. Like the new member from Nokta Makro said “be patient guys! “ Who am I kidding, all this hold off typing ain’t working for me either, perhaps someone on the forum should start up a detector AA support group that offers discount codes and frequent buyers miles. 

I am rethinking my "All Metal botton"detecting method to get in line with the Multi Frequency machines. Looks like both the Deus/Deus II & Equinox 800 take different paths but both get you there. Let's see what Calabash comes up with after he receives that Colorado hot dirt.  Thanks for the info

20 hours ago, Gerry in Idaho said:

Most certainly will be more little nuggets in Eastern Oregon deeper than what a GB-2 can do.  Yes if the wife gives the OK look me up.  I might take your detectors in trade as well.

Gerry,

Would you consider taking these Christmas tree dwellers "in trade" for one of them French multi-frequency detectors? Willing to toss in a couple un-stockinged lumps of coal.  Have a Happy New Year.

You answered spot on. Thanks just what I wanted to learn.

Example of a recirculating highbanker setup with two (2) 12vdc pumps. 

7 minutes ago, JCR said:

That is a pretty slick set up for testing.

I wish he had stated the type of soil and mineral content. I also wish he would test a rusty nail at depth & let the audio be heard better.

 

Thanks for posting the video.

Here’s a cheaper bucket version full of decomposed granitic clay. If only there was a multi frequency detector nearby to test. No matter how fast I shake that bucket under the coil can’t get deeper than 8 inches with the old single frequency. Maybe next Christmas I’ll ship the bucket to Southern Alabama, provided the duct tape holds up.