HardPack

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Does the XP Deus/Deus II display a target I.D. either in Goldfield or Relic programs when the threshold breaks when over a target?

16 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

The adjustable threshold on the Deus Goldfield and Relic programs is similar to the true threshold that is used on the Nox Gold mode as opposed to the "audio reference" threshold tone used in the other modes (refer to the Nox manual for an explanation of the difference).  Low signal strength targets that are either shallower micro targets or just deep can just break the threshold (threshold audio dropout) without the Gold Field/Relic mode VCO audio engaging.  Thus you can decide whether a threshold dropout is worth investigating or ignoring depending on the context of the site.  HTH

Thanks for the information:
Is the XP Goldfield threshold “break” similar to the ML reference threshold “null”?

Does the XP Deus/Deus II display a target I.D. either in Goldfield or Relic programs when the threshold breaks when over a target?

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Okay, I am starting to get a handle on XP iron volume and ML tone volume in disc program/mode. Here is a question regarding the Deus/Deus II running in the “Goldfield” (or Relic) program. 

Does the XP Deus/Deus II in the goldfield and/or the relic program use the threshold similar to the technique that of the ML Equinox 800?
 

The day after Christmas with the 8:00 pm hour is approaching in Istanbul. It appears the legend field testers were given very limited NDA releases; the legend manual has let to be published online. 

5 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

The Equinox has the horseshoe button that instantly with one push accepts all targets in the full -9 to +40 ID range. Press it again and you are instantly back to your preset discrimination pattern. So, the horseshoe button does not create another mode by pressing it like Park, Field, or Beach. It just accepts all targets in the mode you are using.

The Deus 1 and it appears, the Deus 2 do not have a single button press that does this. You could have two saved custom programs side by side, one with all targets accepted like pressing the horseshoe button and one with the same program but with your chosen preset discrimination or notched pattern and toggle between them.

The Equinox's single or multiple digit notching is pretty easy using the accept/reject setting. At least with Deus 1, I found notching to be a pain in the butt. Maybe it will be easier and more accurate on Deus 2.

On Deus 2 you do have Iron Audio on or off along with volume levels, the Silencer with several levels and Bottle Cap reject.

Per the Deus II manual (pages 14, 15, 17, 20 & 29) a combination of settings may get you closer when using  one of the discrimination programs: set the discrimination level ( such as -6.4 to 0); set pitch level (on allows threshold); set the threshold level (with pitch on); optional: adjust Iron volume and  Profile X-Y screen.

If the Deus II threshold “nulls” when the coil passes over a rejected target below the set discrimination level and/or the rejected target Target I.D.(T.I.D.) number is displayed you can check the display T.I.D. Reading. Selecting & setting the “iron volume level” may alert you to a rejected target for further investigation. The Profile X-Y screen should help determine further to dig or not. 
  
Perhaps a member with a XP Deus or Deus II could verify.

15 hours ago, Rrnp said:

The Equinox has an all metal mode or a user profile that takes one push of a button to check questionable targets. (With all metal or a different frequency) Will the Deus 2 have anything similar?  Do you have to go through a long set of functions?  Thanks from a future XP newbie.  

 
Neither the Xp ORX, Deus nor Deus II have a  Remote Control “All Metal Button”. The Deus II manual recommends while in a Discrimination program using : 
• The visual target display for visual discrimination.
• Multi-tone mode for audio discrimination and/or bottle cap rejection
 Both the gold & relic programs are in All Metal. 
 

On 12/21/2021 at 11:14 AM, steveg said:

Hey all!

So, I have a prototype S-shaft ready to go, for an Equinox.  With this shaft (similar to the way an F75 is set up), you would still attach the control box/handle assembly to the shaft -- just "behind" the "S-handle."  In other words, with this shaft, you would not use the S-handle as your "handle."  For the version of this shaft that I'll be making for Garrett units, you WOULD use the "S-handle," but not with the Equinox.

In any case, the prototype is not set up for counterweight attachment, BUT, it certainly could be.  And since the S-shaft configuration likely will not "solve" the balance issues (but may perhaps help some), I do expect that for anyone who uses a straight shaft with counterweighting, they will probably want to use the S-shaft with at least SOME counterweight (albeit perhaps less) as well.  In any case though, I thought that for initial testing, a non-counterweighted S-shaft would be the better way to go.

I have a couple of folks who have expressed interest in testing the shaft; my plan is to send out for testing, and then ask that person to send it along to either another person who wishes to test it, or back to me.  Anyone who tests it, likes it, and would like to purchase one, would receive a discount off the regular price.

Here is a picture of the finished prototype...

Steve

Like it, similar to the Garrett AT & Makro Racer shaft/handle. Take a look at the Minelab Xterra 705. The shaft angles down with a 2 1/2 to 3 inch offset, the control unit handle sets at the top of the offset. Just move the upper joint connection below the end of the offset.

I followed up on the above topic on the forum’s  Detector Comparisons section with “Legend Modes vs Equinox Modes”. The post is related to the Legend’s four detection modes being optimized for depth compared to the Equinox 800 four modes & eight profiles. Give the post a read and see if it makes any sense. Obviously, we won’t know the answers until the Legend manual is available and is field tested. 

Ten years ago... that was about the time Santa left a little note attached to a sewing kit in my Christmas stocking. As I recall the note said:

"Please use this little gift from the North Pole to sew up the top of your stocking, you ain't going to need it any time soon."

Sincerely, we mean it. 

S. Claus

Like I typed, I am still using that Xterra 705 from Christmas past and it was a second hand demo at the time of delivery.

Have a Merri Christmas

On 12/19/2021 at 8:46 AM, HardPack said:

From the Legend release video back in November, I believe the battery was moved back into the hand grip. May be wrong but worth examining. 

This is a written portion of the Nokta Makro online video release of the “Legend’ in November 2021. This is only a paraphrased portion of the presentation in areas of interest and/or question(s) to myself. The presenter’s voice was near the upper limit of my hearing. Many of the words and/or phrases could not be heard clearly during the actual presentation (??). Take a close listen to the original release and verify for yourself. At this time, I do not own a simultaneous multi frequency detector.

…starting somewhere after the start the presentation as comments begin to focus on the detector:

Now let’s talk about the Legend’s technology. The Legend is a true simultaneous multi frequency machine, meaning multi frequencies running at the same time giving the user the advantage of covering a broad range of targets on all types of terrain, field, park, salt water, beaches, etc. at great depth.

Now the Legend uses a different multi frequency for park, field and a different one for beach. Now for the beach it also has two different multi frequencies wet and dry; and wet to be used in salt water or wet (?salt?) beach sand specifically without sacrificing depth for even small gold.

The Legend also has four modes, park, field, beach, goldfield all optimized for maximum depth. However, we detectorists all know depth is not the only determining factor for a good performing detector. This condition (? trashy site?) is as crucial as if not more as (?than?) depth especially for those who have trashy sites.

Now the Legend has a scale of zero to sixty and gives accurate ID at depth. In addition to showing ID on the screen and providing audio response for target separation the Legend also has a very new feature ferrocheck for identifying modern trash.

The presentation continues on…to the battery placement, pricing, questions, etc.

Hopefully the Legend instruction manual will be online within a few days which may answer more specific questions regarding the detector, detecting modes, mode frequency ranges, custom user profiles, recovery speed adjustments, goldfield mode, battery placement, etc..

I haven’t been in the market for a new detector for some time now. The VLF detectors hanging around here all have a fixed preset unknown “recovery speed” and only one detector has the option of changing out one coil with another of different frequency. Imagine my surprised when I read up on “Simultaneous Multi-Frequency”. After learning more about it, what really jumped out to me was the ability to adjust the “recovery speed” and the impact it had on target separation and search depth. Better yet “adjustable recovery speed” was now married to “preset unknown range of simultaneous multi-frequencies”.  Could it get any better?  What if we woke up Christmas morning to discover somebody wrote a few algorithms allowing us the pick and adjust for a known range simultaneous multi-frequencies (low, mid, high) to go along with our adjustable recovery speeds. We could design your own detecting search modes based on the ground conditions and targets we were actually detecting that moment. Maybe the cat is out of the bag but not in our Christmas Stocking yet. 

This is what I came away with after listening to the November Nokta Makro presentation/release video of “The Legend” SMF detector: The NM Legend uses a different multi frequency (SMF-true simultaneous multi frequency) for detecting search modes “Park”, “Field” and two different multi frequency for both dry & wet in “ Beach” mode. With the beach/wet SMF covering salt water & wet salt beach sand without sacrificing depth for even small gold. I did not hear was a specific reference to SMF in the “Goldfield” mode. The Legend has four (4) modes “Park”, “Field”, “Beach” and “ Goldfield” all optimized for depth. For dealing with target separation  on trashy sites the Legend has an ID scale of 1 to 60, gives accurate ID at depth, provides an audio response for target separation, and “ferrocheck” for identifying modern trash. From the specifications The Legend has four (4) custom user profiles; and though it is not indicated I think you can adjust the “recovery speed” for any of the four (4) custom user profiles.

I gather from the ML Equinox 800 Instruction manual that the Equinox provides four (4) detecting search modes: Park, Field, Beach, Gold; eight (8) profiles with two (2) pairs per search mode: Park 1, Park 2, Field 1, Field 2, Beach 1, Beach 2, Gold 1, Gold 2; and one custom user profile side button. Park 1, Field 1, Beach 1 & Beach 2 utilize a “lower multi frequency range” at a “lower recovery speed”.  Park 2, Field 2, Gold 1 & Gold 2 utilize a “ higher multi frequency range at a “ higher recovery speed”.  

My understand is that increases in  “recovery speed” increases target separation while reducing Target ID at depth and reducing search depth. With decreases in “recovery speed”  reduces target separation while increasing Target ID at depth and increasing search depth.  I do not currently have a multi frequency detector. Is it correct to think that saving the Legend’s four (4) custom user profiles to address “target separation” on trashy or highly mineralized sites may get to where the ML Equinox 800 starts. Or is there a work around?

25 minutes ago, HardPack said:

Per a member on another forum: XP Metal Detectors contact this morning: Thank you for your interest in the XP Deus II and your pre-order, shipments beginning; expect US deliveries in January 2022. We’ll see.

Hello
Thank you for your interest in our new model and thank you for your pre order.
We are beginning to ship the goods this week.
XP dealers in USA should receive the DEUS II metal detectors in the beginning of January."
Best regards 

Per a member on another forum: XP Metal Detectors contact this morning: Thank you for your interest in the XP Deus II and your pre-order, shipments beginning; expect US deliveries in January 2022. We’ll see.

The character in the red & black plaid shirt is Shannon Pope of the American Mining Rights Association. ARMA has a website with more videos and information.

On review of the Legend November video: there is mention of Target ID stability at depth; the battery was relocated to the Control unit. The battery offered with the upgrade package with the  6” coil is now a backup battery which apparently mounts under rod between the Control unit and arm cuff. 

From the Legend release video back in November, I believe the battery was moved back into the hand grip. May be wrong but worth examining. 

16 hours ago, phrunt said:

Yes, that's why I don't really like my Simplex, the Target ID's are terrible even in my super mild soil it's really bad, probably the worst detector I own that has Target ID on ID stability with even cheaper detectors giving a better ID, I can't rely on the ID's with it on anything but very shallow coins which is a problem for me as I hunt by ID to dig as little holes as possible and want the older coins which tend to be the deeper coins.  It just doesn't suit my requirements for a coin detector.   Hopefully the Legend has improved on that, although there hasn't really been talk of target ID improvements from Nokta during the promotions so far and we are just assuming being multi frequency there will be improvements in that regard.

If a detector is poor at ID's in my mild soil I can only imagine how bad it is in worse soils.

Target ID stability on the new NM Legend will be something to watch for during field testing. My understanding is the NM Legend is using the same straight rod/control handle design as the NM Simplex. Per the specs both have similar weight and overall length. For you current and past Simplex MD owner, how is the ergonomics of the NM Simplex?

The latest from Nokta Makro on “The Legend”. Expect to see the the online manual towards the end of next week around the December 24th and the field testers may be released from their NDA’s around the same time. Followed by a week of promotion prior to shipment to retailers. 

Any detector gold prospectors or coin shooters on this forum require a 9x5 elliptical DD coil with tip and edge sensitivity for those tight areas like rock cervices for the Nokta Makro Legend? The 6” round works in narrow dry washes for monsoon flood gold. But I need  a 9 x 5  for hillside prospecting in slightly deeper deposits. 

Any member interest in a future release of a SP24 waterproof DD 9.5” x 5” elliptical search coil the soon to be shipped Nokta Makro “The Legend” SMF metal detector?  A 6” round, 11” round (stock) & 13.5” coils are currently offered.

THE LEGEND SHIPPING UPDATE! 12/15/21 FROM NOKTA MAKRO  #TheLegend #Update #NoktaMakro

Nokta Makro is fine tuning the a “Legend”  based on requests from field testers; shipping may be in late December or January; English version of manual may be available online next Friday.

On 12/12/2021 at 3:41 AM, locator said:

Welcome aboard, Salvo. Great you joined and yes, this is a superb forum with tons of knowledge and a bunch of nice & helpful people. And you know we like pictures from the finds & the environment where they was found.😉😊

Nice to have ya here.

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Check Out “THEDIGGERBOB” on YouTube. Ten years ago he upload two videos on the White  TDI SL: quick introduction & tips and help. Both on mineralized ground.