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I agree. Default settings, advanced user settings etc. There are ways to keep the novice out of trouble if they don’t want to learn. I understand perfectly minimization on a machine like the Simplex. When it comes to your top of the line however, it should cater to the advanced user or provide the advanced user access to advanced controls. Everyone can have their cake and eat it too it would seem. Part of the problem quite honestly is that Nokta Makro is hyper aware and very sensitive to what often amounts to unearned criticism during the learning curve. That hyper awareness is often a double edged sword. It leads to engagement with customers and incorporating feedback, but the sensitivity and the rush to get to the top of the industry often makes for bad optics. More controls are more chances for controversy in their view I’m sure. But as they are learning, controversy can arise by omission as well. Better to ensure the machine has the ability than to leave it out.

I’ll have my 9” version as soon as the next shipment hits the US. Can’t wait. This will be my first full Deus product. I previously had the Deus 1 lite, but didn’t bother much with it. That was in the very early days. I think I’m also going to buy the dive shaft. That will be my full setup and I’ll make a Deus 2 lite out of the stock shaft and “puck” with an 11” coil for backup and tag alongs. 

Nice! Will there be an all black option? The red looks nice too though. 

I payed $1,100 for my CTX, then another $200 for a 17” coil with Grey Ghost underwater headphones. It’s been worth every penny. Not only is the CTX one of the best discriminators ever made, it’s also fun to use, and this is a lot about having fun, otherwise why do it right. 
 

There’s also the lock and key factor. CTX is strong where Nox is weaker, and vice versa. It’s nice to have both. 

https://doczz.net/doc/2452635/white-s-v3i-advanced-posts-“book“
 

This has been linked to before and then was broken, making this information hard to access. Here’s the lastest working link. What I did personally this time was I took screen shots of each page, cropped them to size and then forwarded them from photos to iBooks which created a PDF file I can always access from my phone, computer and tablets. 

9 minutes ago, Dig It said:

Any news on a new Upgraded CTX ???

We know they are working on something new, but we just don’t know what. Apparently Tom Dankowski is involved with what will either be a next gen equinox or next gen CTX level multi-IQ variant. Nobody knows what stage it’s in other than probably prototype of its in testing. Nobody knows what features it will have or whether it will have a color display like CTX. I guess the E-trac has been discontinued, but not sure what that says about the next machine. We do know the focus is heavily on ground elimination and silent EMI mitigation. It also sounds like they want to be innovative, considering everything up to smart glasses. This is what I’ve gathered from Dankowski’s forum so far anyway. 

I’m glad my soil is not as severe as some have here. I know what would be missed if I couldn’t get past the 6” mark here in upstate NY. Machines like Equinox can whisper on a 12” silver quarter here, but struggle to do it under ideal circumstances. I certainly wouldn’t be hitting a 14” dime like some videos are demoing. It must be nice to have that mild a soil. A dime would come in around 10” max under the best of circumstances. More realistically in the 8”-9” range. That’s where I tend to make the best finds anyway. 

I’m hoping for a 9” coil myself. I told my dealer my preference and he said he’d try, but his last batch was all 11”. Normally that would be fine with any other machine, but the demos seem to indicate that the 9” keeps right up with the 11” depthwise, plus has the advantage of a smaller footprint. I’ve encountered this before with the Fisher 1280x. The 8” coil was just as deep as the 10” coil version and was much easier to manage underwater and in tight spots. 

I have and love both. Steve is absolutely correct. They have lock and key abilities. To me, the CTX is better bought gently used, but that’s my philosophy with most things. Let someone else pay $2,500. When they are done admiring it in the corner of a room I come along and buy it for half the price. Of course with $2,500 you get a warranty, but to me I trust my eye and instincts that I’m getting something that would be least likely to need servicing any time soon. You made the right choice in purchasing the 800 first. I bought mine in the same order and don’t regret either purchase. CTX is a lot of fun to use 

It’s always nice to have an extra shaft around for Deus anyway. One could easily become a Deus Lite, with the addition of a coil, for Tagalongs and backup. 

Interesting, but I’m too jaded on First Texas to believe it anymore. Even if it arrives, it will likely forgo many of the peripherals we now consider essential, like online updates, built in rechargeable battery, wireless headphones etc. First Texas can in some ways be just as tone deaf and stubborn as Whites was. 

Hell yeah, bring this on! Take my money. I hope it makes it to market one day. I’m in the market for a two box setup 

31 minutes ago, CPT_GhostLight said:

I couldn't find anything about it anywhere, but if it's true it means XP is listening to it's users and that can only be a good thing. 😎

It’s on Calabashes channel exclusively at the moment. I sensed there was bad blood there between calabash and this forum right now, so I was reluctant to link to it. 

I’m beginning to wonder if this won’t be another F75/T2 situation where those machines came out guns blazing and wowing everyone with amazing fringe depth. Those were the machines to have. Everyone was impressed that Dave Johnson found some extra depth. Then the EMI issues came to light. In some environments the EMI made the units intolerable. First Texas had to employ shielding and while still deep machines the shielding cut that impressive fringe depth down considerably to where they aren’t much deeper than other top of the line detectors. In fact, many machines have even surpassed them. Yet they are still widely reputed among those who don’t necessarily keep up with detector news to be the deepest of the deep because of the impression left on its debut. That could very well happen here as well and would be unfortunate for the sake of accuracy. I’m buying a Deus 2 on the next batch, but probably keeping my equinox around until I see how these issues are ironed out. Something tells me we may see some of the advantages we see now tamped or toned down over time as feedback is taken into account and compromises made in future updates. Yet, by then, it’s initial impression of taking depth up a new notch will be cemented in the minds of many. 

I’ve had the V3 and the V3i. I saw no difference in depth, only ground tracking. It was slowed down in the V3i to give a more stable ID, but apparently went to far and it doesn’t keep up with rapidly changing ground the way Vision and V3 do. This is an issue that won’t affect most inland soil, or uniform ground hunters. In fact, for inland fairly uniform soil you should benefit from the more stable ID. I still love my V3i and still use it despite having all the other top of the line machines. The V3i and CTX are still the best cherry picker discriminators ever made. And yes, invest in the Detech Ultimate 13. It will transform the machine 

Crazy isn’t it. I’ve seen them go as high as $400. I’m glad I have mine and my spare. 

XP will be soon releasing a new black all plastic dive shaft to help hide the unseemly antenna. I do wish the antenna was also black, but this new configuration which tucks most of the antenna inside the shaft is a big a aesthetic improvement. It’s funny that just a week ago Gigmaster DIYed a similar configuration on his own. 

I should clarify that there are some Bounty Hunters, maybe a Whites Classic, and a Tesoro or two that can nail Montes nail board test and outperform Deus/ORX for shallow commingled items, but when it comes to machines with fringe depth capability nobody has been able to replicate Deus iron performance. It makes me wonder why that is. They must’ve tried, but it just hasn’t happened. It seems anything capable of hitting fringe targets has to make trade offs the Deus doesn’t. It appears from early testing even Legend will not be able to match or exceed this XP standard. 

Accurate, or damage control? You decide 

On 2/12/2022 at 2:06 PM, GB_Amateur said:

Say what?  Did I miss something?  Or do you and I use the term "back to the drawing board" differently?  Last I saw (from Dilek) they are implementing some tweaks/fixes that were discovered by field testers.  Maybe I read some speculation by people thousands of miles away from the action, but I try to not be drawn in by that.

Perhaps we define it differently, as I’m not suggesting they are redesigning the machine from scratch in any sense, but I would call recalling all the units from testers going back to the drawing board. When it comes to moves like this, you have to go more by what they do than what they say. They obviously were not happy with something that necessitated recalling not just the software, but the whole kit, and things are now an open question again, even after todays dubious video update. 

To me, it depends on a couple factors. One is how happy you are with the TRX, and the other is how much disposable income you have for another pinpointer. I plan to buy a Deus 2. I have 2 TRXs, 1 Tek-Point, 1 PulseDive, and even a GP Pointer, but when I pull the trigger on the Deus 2 I’m also going to invest in a Mi6 because I want the integration. By itself the Mi6 doesn’t seem to have as much range as the TRX. Only when it’s integrated with the extra sensitivity provided by the Deus, but I’ve also heard users say the extra sensitivity is unusable under most circumstances as it causes falsing and overload. 

On 2/7/2022 at 7:39 PM, Geotech said:

Patents normally expire 20 years after first filing, so their '360 patent (BBS/FBS) expired over 4 yrs ago. I've seen nothing from NM or XP that looks anything like the old ML sequential multifrequency. But they do look like the Equinox's simultaneous multifrequency, which first showed up in the White's DFX. In fact, one of the MF modes on the Deus 2 has the same waveform as the DFX. That's not a surprise, it's just how you do a 5th harmonic system.

Are there any advantages to running a sequential multifrequency vs. strictly simultaneous? It might even be interesting to see if the two approaches could be integrated into one machine. Is it true DFX was leased from Minelab as well?

Air Metal Detectors was nearly there, then dropped the ball with a machine that can barely keep up with a Bounty Hunter Tracker 4. They seem to be back to the drawing board now as well. 

Well, if nothing else comes along this year, the Deus 2 is generating a lot of excitement around the incremental advances they’ve made in multifrequency performance. I’ll refrain from using hyperbole like “it blows everything else out of the water,” but credit where credit is due, Deus 2 did find some magic somehow, with many measurable advantages. It has me considering selling my equinox at this point, and I didn’t think that would happen until Minelab came along with gen 2 multi-iq.

Now hopefully, Nokta Makro going back to the drawing board on the Legend means they will try to match Deus 2 performance. That would be nice if they could do it.
 

I’m surprised to see the Etrac discontinued. I wonder if we might see a price drop on the CTX anytime soon. I have mine, but for others. 

Simplex is well built, wireless, waterproof, rechargeable and compact. Definitely keeping that for my backup and shallow fresh water machine. I bought it for $200 WHP not too long ago.