NCtoad

That’s incredible!!!  Sure beats digging a bunch of mercs and rosies and GWs which is what I get excited over.  Lol!   I’d be ecstatic just finding any one of those out of your collection.  

1 minute ago, GhostLands said:

Thank you mate! Had alot of people asking for this... This Dēus II is really something else! Jackie is a she, Jackie Danielle! (Yup from the Jack Daniels) 🍻

Please relate my apologies to Jackie!

1 hour ago, GhostLands said:

The results 

Great video!   This is exactly the kind of tests I like to see!  Wild digs, side by side comparisons really show the strengths and weaknesses between the detectors.  In this case it shows the strengths of the deus II.  Btw, Jackie really livens up the video!  He’s a star!

All the headstamps I dig ring up right in the nickel/gold ring range.  Some a little higher.  This is with the equinox.  Some may have a bit of ferrous in the primer part, but most are all brass.  I doubt if xp could do something like the bottle cap reject on shotshell headstamps.  

Congrats on the Spanish silver!   I knew there had to be some old silver on that site…I didn’t think it would be that old though!  

I’d be happy with any one of those finds!   Congrats!

That buttplate is really a neat find!   With stuff like that being found it’s just a matter of time before you start hitting silver and large cents.  Congrats on all the finds and thanks for posting!

I’d like to hear Chase’s comments on dowsing.  How about it Chase?  I also am a firm believer in scientific facts and proof.  I have a hard time wrapping my head around dowsing, but if someone can offer up scientific proof that it works, then I’m good with it.  There’s also a lot of “gray” areas of science out there that may never be proven in my lifetime.  

Congrats on all the finds!   That’s a nice ring and a nice prize for a four hour hunt. 

11 hours ago, mcjtom said:

Kind of vaguely related to the sound questions above: I found a 'target' in dryish ocean white beach sand.  ID 17/18, round, solid signal from all directions.  It was a paint can lid (some 20 cm in diameter, ferrous, perfectly horizontal, a little rusty, but it was some 50 cm (20 in) deep! Good lesson.

This is a difficult situation with the nox ( and probably most other detectors). You get a good sounding signal that should be an average to fairly deep coin, but it ends up being a very deep large object.  Sometimes you can tell this by using the pinpoint function and trying to size up the target, but when a large object is so deep it still may pinpoint similar to the size of a coin that’s not so deep. You can also try raising the coil as you sweep over the target and if it fades out quickly it’s most likely coin sized.  If you’re still getting a decent signal with the coil five or six inches or more above the target it’s most likely a smashed can, or a paint can lid, etc.  However, a very deep smashed can or,  in your case, a paint can lid at twenty inches will fade out quickly just like a coin that’s not so deep.  So it’s hard to tell the difference.  I still occasionally get fooled on smashed, deep, aluminum cans even after 3 and a half years of using the nox.  

17 minutes ago, Flydog said:

I recently got my detector back ( I wont name names to protect the guilty, but I bet you can figure it out ; )   from being repaired and some "professional" apparently thought packaging tape would make a nice screen protector during service and shipping.  I was pretty pissed. Although it wasn't hard to remove the tape, it left adhesive behind! I knew it would be a bad idea to use a solvent on the plastic window/screen so about a 1/2 hour of rubbing with my thumb and got it all off. Except for a blemished area that actually looks like something melted into the surface. Solder splash? Reaction with the tape adhesive? Sigh, was in brand new condition before sending it in.

 

That’s awful!  You should have taken pictures of it before taking the tape off and emailed the pics to them.  

Is a screen protector necessary for the deus II?   Also is any other protection necessary to keep it looking nice?   I like keeping my nox new looking by having a screen protector and one of the Deanos covers.  Just wondering if there’s anything needed for the new deus.  

Welcome to a great forum!   I call this the forum of more facts and less drama.  Lol

Both silvers are in excellent condition! That 14k pin is fine treat also!  Congrats!

Do the ferrous staples on your coin cards have any effect on the readings?

9 hours ago, Ridge Runner said:

As I watch all the videos on the Legend and the Deus 11 I’m just wondering were I really want to spend my money.

 The Legend it being half the price of the Deus 11 I don’t have to sell anything. My kids knowing I was thinking about buying another detector gave me cash for Christmas. The only problem I’m having on watching all the videos on the Legend I’ve seen more excitement in a funeral home over a dead body than I have it .

 Here you got the Deus 11 twice price and I have to sell my soul ( Talking about my Nox 800 that I bought just lately it being the third one) that being my Nox I’d have to take a hit on to buy the Deus 11.

 At this point I’m just watching videos because that’s what is going to sell me not the difference in price. So far the videos that Calabash is making is winning on the Deus 11 and he could sell someone at the North Pole a refrigerator if nothing else a ice chest. The main thing with Calabash he’s all do show and tell. Come hell are high water he’s got you with him.

 I don’t want something just some better than my Nox. I want something that stands out from any detector I’ve had in the past. If it can’t do that then Nox you’re not going anywhere.

  Sitting on a picket fence is starting to hurt so if you see my Nox for sale you know I got off of it.

 Chuck 

Hey Chuck

to me it sounds like you really want the deus 2.   Life’s too short to compromise on a new detector purchase.  Plus the legend looks like it’s going to perform similar to the nox, but with hopefully better build quality and reliability.  The deus, however is a completely different animal and from the looks of it much better performance than the nox.  I say go for it!   Lol

I like Gary’s videos too.  He’s very knowledgeable and straight up.  It’s almost as if he doesn’t have an affiliation with XP.  He doesn’t bash or even mention other detectors (in the videos that I’ve seen).  He just lets the actions speak for themselves.  In this day and age of hype and hyperbole it’s refreshing to be presented with facts without all the bravado.  

Congrats on the seated!   You have a beautiful place to hunt!   Looks like it’s secluded and away from traffic noise. 

I usually feel pretty good after purging possessions also.  I sold an air rifle, the vaquero and some other miscellaneous items.  

5 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

It's pretty simple in concept, you are basically enabling just the audio of the discriminated targets to sound off in your headphones.  Anything that is detected below the discrimination breakpoint is heard as a "ferrous" tone unless you set iron volume to off.  You don't know what the ferrous ID is, you just know it's less than the disc setpoint you set.  The detector, through the discrimination filter, ignores these targets when integrating the discriminated non-ferrous target ID, so that keeps what the disc filter thinks as ferrous from affecting the non-ferrous IDs.  Remove the disc filter, and mixed ferrous/non-ferrous can combine to give you down averaged target IDs in the presence of adjacent iron. It's one of those secret sauce filters so it's not clear what is actually going on underneath the hood, but it is more sophisticated than simple TID based audio masking like notch.  As a result, you can apply too much of a good thing and start affecting the detection depth of non-discriminated targets if you set the breakpoint well above the typical top of the ferrous ID range which is around 10 or 15 on the Deus -6 to 99 scale.

HTH

Let me see if I understand this correctly.  On the deus the disc circuit is in play to disc out ferrous, but you can turn up iron volume and still hear it.  But by having the ferrous discriminated out, it doesn’t affect the vdi numbers by averaging.  Thus you can hear the iron and have more accurate target ID’s.  ?

24 minutes ago, mh9162013 said:

I agree that lower sensitivity is better. But to possibly defend/explain the person who made the video (Iffy Signals?), they might conduct all tests using the highest sensitivity reasonably possible on their machine. This could be one way they try to keep different tests from different days/machine as consistent as possible.

It was this guy:  

2 minutes ago, F350Platinum said:

Just a note here, I'm not an expert by any degree, although I have a lot of experience with the Equinox over the last year, my first full year detecting. I get out 3 -5 times a week, for 4-7 hours. At average that gives me well over 1000 hours on the Equinox thus far.

The past couple of days I've been digging in an old house site, and while usually I find that Zincolns are 19-21, I've been digging a ton of aluminum beer bottle caps that are exactly that range. I'll dig all 16-18 IDs because they have been half Reales and once a Trime. I dig a lot of pull tabs!

I've never seen mercs or larger coins at anything but 25+.

Welcome to the forum @Loren, have you done a Meet and Greet intro? Context is everything here, and while the Equinox and Deus report well, I'm sure there are differences world wide.🙂 

It would be great to have a detector that always told you what you have exactly, but I think it's more of a "Holy Grail" pursuit considering the unknown or differing metallurgy in just about everything. 🤔 From what I've read and watched so far the Deus Deux looks pretty good, but I'm not ready to let my Equinox 600 gather dust just yet. 

If you’re digging in high iron trash areas don’t discount discount lower id’s as the adjacent trash will pull the id down.  I’ve dug mercs as low as 18.  In that particular instance there was an old rusty bicycle fender right next to it.  

4 minutes ago, Jeff McClendon said:

Unfortunately for me and many turf hunters, dependence on numerical target IDs are not an obsession. Instead, their importance is imposed on me by the restrictions set by municipalities and land owners in the arid conditions (more like drought) that I often hunt in. Digging with a shovel or anything close to a shovel will leave turf damage here and is not allowed in most cities. Making sure that I at least know the conductivity of the potential target is super important along with knowing how to "dig" with a probe or long shafted screwdriver. Accurate numerical target IDs are really important to me.

So are accurate tones that can tell me the target's conductivity and possibly its shape, surface (smooth or uneven) and its condition/orientation.

Not being and engineer, do I have this next statement right? Are the tones produced by these detectors less "filtered" than the target ID numbers as in, are the tones generated first and then the target ID numbers?

The Deus 1 full tones and the Equinox full tones can do those things to some degree when I am able to ignore their "quality".

Being professionally trained European/North American classical music musician means that I actually listen to the tones that a detector produces from the standpoint of a musician and not just a detector user.

The Deus 1 PWM full "tones" actually sound more like static filled noise to me. There are discernible pitch changes but the amount of distortion of the pitches is just too much for me. The Deus 2 Square Wave tones sound quite a bit cleaner and more defined so far but the cleanliness may detract from actual target characteristic identification.

The Equinox full tones are certainly much cleaner and defined than Deus PWM generated full tones. However, I too find it hard to exactly match the 50 individual pitches to clear numerical equivalents even own well know targets like US nickels. The full tones used on the Equinox have to fit into a frequency range and that has compressed the intervals between some of the tones so close together that a differentiation is hard to hear even for me. Very few of the tones are a full half step apart (like on a piano keyboard) and most are quarter tones or micro tone intervals.

Very interesting topic.

I for one, am delighted to see the Deus 2, Legend, Equinox and Vanquish having stable numerical target IDs.

Very interesting take on tones from a musician’s point of view.  Thanks

I just watched a video of a guy comparing the new legend to the equinox on Monte’s nail board test.  Sorry, but I don’t have a link to it, but I think I saw it over on the friendly forum.  In the video he is using the nox and says he has the recovery speed set at 8 and sensitivity at 23.  Then he also mentions that recovery speed is what’s important on this test, not sensitivity.  I have to disagree.  Running 23 sense on what is basically an air test with an 11” coil only a few inches above the targets seems like way too much power to me.  Monte has confirmed that this test of his was developed from surface finds.  So I’m thinking this guy would have gotten better results (with both nox and legend) by lowering the sensitivity dramatically.  Like maybe down to 10 or 12 on the nox.  Am I correct in my assumptions?   I have a site near my house that’s loaded with old iron.  Most finds are 3-5” deep or less.  I’ve actually compared non ferrous signals with low sensitivity and then bumped the sense up to 20 or so and the signal is more muddled and much more iffy to define than on the lower setting of around 12.  I’m just curious why these guys doing the nail board tests aren’t at least trying a lower sensitivity setting?

Congrats on the merc!   I would re-search the area where you found that clothespin.  Might have been a clothesline there back in the day.