Bohemia Miner

I have a customer with some logs that are about 30” to 36” in diameter.  He’s looking for a metal detector that would shoot about a foot into the wood.  (I tried a TDI SL with a 14” x 9” Elliptical and it only went 9”.)

What detector and coil combo manufactured today would work? The targets are mostly iron.

Thanks!

Walt

P.S: He was hoping to not have to spend too much as this may be a one time thing for this batch of logs.

I also want to give a shout out to Carl!  Thank you for your insights and opinions.  I wasn't sure if you'd chime in, being so close to the topic.

Phrunt, what I meant was when a "NEW COMER" asks 10 old time prospectors, 8 will reply Gold Bug 2.  I was talking about old guys that use a metal detector as a secondary mining method i.e.: checking dry wash tailing piles, bottoms of dig holes, etc.  The loyalty not being with those recommending as much as the newbie listening to them and buying the GB2.  I always love your writings as well my friend!

Walt

On 5/5/2021 at 11:54 AM, Mike_Hillis said:

That is a nice simple little unit.   Wonder where the iron break is set in relation to the Gold Racer/Gold Kruzer.   Wonder why I would want to pick it over the Gold Kruzer?

You wouldn't.  I don't believe this is a replacement for current Nokta Makro products.  It looks to be a SERIOUS competitor to the Minelab Gold Monster 1000.

Walt

I know this doesn’t pertain to the original topic but this subject that was touched upon after White’s closed their doors; Is First Texas next?

“Most people who say they want waterproof will never set foot in water.” “Built in updates lend to hacking.” “Wireless headphones are not the best performance option.” On and on. The idea that many of our asks are unnecessary or extraneous is pervasive.”

I may never set foot in the water but like the ability to do so without having to purchase a separate machine, especially a Gold Prospecting model I may accidentally drop in the drink (which I have done!).

These “unnecessary or extraneous” features are becoming Industry Standards which American Companies seem to be having a hard time incorporating into their offerings.  For me, Wireless Headphones are a God send.  As far as software updates are concerned, I remember back in the day when White’s made an improvement on one of their machines, you could send it in and they’d do the upgrade for a small nominal fee.  Minelab on the other hand, would make you buy the newer model of Explorer rather than modify your old one to match it, if you wanted the latest and greatest.

“Employees move on, so in the case of some detectors like the older Fishers are the people who wrote the code even there? are they capable of modifying the code to modernize the detector?  Maybe they didn't keep up with the times themselves.”

Last time I checked; Dave Johnson who was responsible for the Gold Bug, GB2 and CZ series, is their Chief design Engineer.  Am I wrong?  Did he leave?

“I don't think doing this is beyond them but they just took the lazy way out once again and just released a paint job of it so nobody is inspired to buy it, it just continues the model if parts were no longer available being such an antique detector.”

A GB3 would be great.  The only reason to continue the GB2 is customer loyalty.  Ask 10 old time prospectors which Gold detector is the best and at least 80% of them will reply, "Fisher Gold Bug 2"!

I hate to see another American Company go under.  However, we should keep in mind that Metal Detectors are the only Electronics still made in the USA.  We used to produce TVs, radios, phonographs, etc.  I surmise that in the name of profits, it all went to Asia (Japan was the China of my youth).

Garrett seems to be holding their own.  I wish nothing but the best for FTP and hope they can deliver some of the “wants” the serious detecting community desires!  As mentioned, it would be a shame for them to purchase brands in the medium to high quality and price range only to end up pushing their lower end products.  I’m guessing the only reason for not buying White’s was because they didn’t have the financial resources to do so.

Walt

How hard is the 2300 to use?  I like simple.  That's why I bought a TDI SL.

"Maybe the “new Garrett” we are seeing now, will finally revisit this long overdue situation. "

One can hope!  I'd buy one.

Thanks!

Walt

15 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

Think more like waterproof Apex.

That's a brilliant idea!  I like the way you think, Steve!!!

Walt

44 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

ATX is two pounds heavier than SDC!

If you are not actually going underwater, no real reason not to use the TDI. Even if dropped in the water, it will probably survive if snatched up quickly and dried off. The TDI is a newer machine than the Infinium, and the better performer of the two.

I agree that the TDI is a way better machine, Steve.   It may have been partially responsible for the Infinium's demise.  If they had made the water-proof one with interchangeable coils, I would have bought it. 

I sold a customer a Fisher Gold Bug.  He wanted me to come up to his claim and teach him how to use it.  I was swinging the AT Gold.  We crossed the creek and sure enough, I slipped on a rock and used my hands to brace my fall.  The detector landed in the creek.  So, I'm just a little leery of using something that I can no longer drive to the factory and drop off for repair.   Plus, I thought it would be nice to have a back up PI.  I'm trading a Gold Monster for my friend's detector with the stock 14" DD, the 5'x10" DD, the 3'x7" DD, coil covers, headphones and carry bag.  As far as I know, he's only been out two times with it.

The SDC 2300 is 5.1 pounds without the batteries which add about another 10 or 12ounces.  If we were to have any Gold Shows next year, maybe I'll check it for weight and see if it might work for me.  There's a guy on You Tube who goes by the handle of "Two Toes" that does really well crevicing with one.

Thanks!

Walt

1 hour ago, GB_Amateur said:

Weren't you a White's dealer at one time?  Why the Garrett Infinium over the White's TDI?  Is there a concern about waterproofness?  Cost?

Yes, I have the TDI SL.  As I mentioned to Kac, I need a PI that's water-proof around streams.  I used the Infinium when it first came out and liked it really well but then opted for the TDI  as I was living in the desert of Southern California.  I'm a Garrett Dealer so I could buy an ATX at cost if they weren't so darn heavy.  I figure the SDC2300 was about the same weight.

Thanks!

Walt

1 minute ago, kac said:

Woudln't it be better to use an ATX? Still supported or is that just too heavy and $$$?

Yes it would but I had one.  Found it too heavy.  I have arthritis in my wrists and bad shoulders so wanted something to hip mount.  This won't be my primary PI.  I have a Whites TDI SL.  Just looking for a PI that's water-proof around streams.

Thanks!

Walt

I was thinking about buying one of these because I need a light-weight water-proof PI for Serpentine Bedrock in streams.

Steve already gave me his opinion.  While I GREATLY respect his expertise, I'd like to get a few more opinions from the rest of you Gurus.  😁

Thanks!

Walt

I was reading another thread and folks were saying that the Land-based MX7 was superior to the Water-proof MX Sport.  Aren’t they just the same electronics and programs in a different housing?

Thanks!

Walt

I’ve always been a multi-line Dealer.  Whites was my favorite especially when I moved back home to Oregon.  They seemed to care about their dealers and customers.

In an email response I received from Steve Howard a month before they announced they were closing their doors, he said that Ken White still wanted to make Metal Detectors that would last 10 or 20 years.  He also stated that Ken would close his doors before he’d have them made “off shore”.

There may be one element no one here has thought of, buttons, knobs and switches.  I believe that they kept the MXT All Pro and GMT around for those folks that are not Tech Savvy.  When I sold a metal detector and it was between a Menu Driven machine like the VX3 or V3i and the MXT, I’d ask to see the customer’s Cell phone.  If he had a Flip Phone, I’d sell him an MXT.  If it was a Smart Phone, I’d feel more comfortable leading him toward one of the others.

While I loved the ingenuity of the Treasuremaster and Treasure Pro, that left the only simply operated detectors to the Coinmaster and MXT.  On the other hand, all of Garrett’s Ace and AT Series have buttons. Although the Apex is menu Driven, I find it easier to operate than the NoMak’s Simplex+.

As I’ve mentioned before, Whites could have held on a little longer by incorporating as many machines into the Sport Platform as they could.  Repackaging?  Yes!  But who wouldn’t have wanted a submersible V3i?  Their idea for a water-proof TDI was a BIG disappointment as far as I’m concerned.  Maybe if they had someone with a younger mindset in charge of the company, they’d still be around.

I’ve sold more mid-range Metal Detectors than the expensive ones.  That’s what the average working stiff can afford.  So, a Multi-Frequency ACE makes total sense.  Is a MF AT next?

Garrett (and ML) no longer has an entry level PI except the Sea Hunter.  With no GB, I suspect it wouldn’t work too well in the Gold Fields.  I still don’t know why they discontinued the Infinium LS.  I’d buy one if they were still available but I’d JUMP on a water-proof TDI!  As someone has already stated, we’ll just have to wait and see.

One last thing to think about, as far as I know, Metal Detectors are the only electronics still made in the US.

Thanks!

Walt

On 8/31/2021 at 2:07 PM, mh9162013 said:

If I recall correctly, the TRX retailed for about $145 or so. Most others (Carrot, Pro-Find 35, F-Pulse), etc. were retailing for $120-$130. Then there's the one from Nokta/Makro which retails for $85 and seems like the best "deal" when it comes to pinpointers.

Retail on the TRX was $159.95.  MAP was $149.95.

I would rather they had went with the GMX Sport instead of the 24K.  A Gold detector that's NOT Water-proof doesn't fall along their lines of progress.  As soon as the AT Gold came out the Scorpion was discontinued.

I’d also like to see if they could put the TDI into that same Water-proof package.

29 minutes ago, chiil said:

In one of the french forums... someone posted this... with a threshold bump protector.

 

 

 

NICE!!!

Thanks!

Walt

The hole's kind of big for the screws they use but found this in a Google Search:

https://www.e-rigging.com/1-8-stainless-steel-d-ring-pad-eye?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=Shopping_60-70&utm_term=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyvKj-8T18gIVYQJ9Ch0Maw7PEAQYAyABEgJOE_D_BwE

Here's a V-SAT set-up.  They were riveted on.

1 hour ago, Cascade Steven said:

Looks like a good idea to me, especially in wooded areas.  Could prevent some accidental knob movement.  I would like to see some more details on how he mounted the "D" rings and whether there was any case modification necessary.   I personally would prefer to keep the case unmodified.  Thanks for sharing.

All I have is this Screen Shot from the video.  I'm guessing the D-rings were mounted using existing Screw Holes but maybe longer screws.

I'll reach out to Josh and see if I can get a close-up photo.

On 8/25/2021 at 8:37 AM, Steve Herschbach said:

The only way I see that happening would be a via concerted lobbying effort by those who think that’s a good idea, so do call or write Garrett if that’s something you desire. I use a scoop personally for small nuggets, so I have to admit it’s a non-issue for me. The only time I use a pinpointer when nugget hunting is with a PI chasing a large deep target, that will likely be a nail. But sometimes….. 

 

I understand the scoop thing.  It's still a great Pin Pointer for Treasure Hunting.  Thanks for the Idea, Steve!

I just watched this Whites Video with Josh Bohmker.  He found a way to take a couple of D-rings similar to those on the old Goldmasters and chest mounted the SL.

Very cool!

This is fantastic news!  Great review, Steve. I for one am hoping that they will eventually bring back the TRX Pin Pointer.  Because it reads off the tip, it's more sensitive to small pieces of gold than any other on the market, including their Garrett “Carrot”.  This is because all others have the same 360-degree Detection Field.  This is a big coil versus small coil scenario, I presume.  It’s the only one that will find a 1.5 grainer that I have! I know there are folks out there that would buy one immediately, if they were available.

I called Todd yesterday and he's received another truck load from Whites.  He asked me to give him a little more time but took a list of what I needed so he could keep an eye out for it.

I'm looking for a pair of light weight and comfortable boots with hiking soles and no metal eyelets or hooks.  The key words are Light Weight and Comfortable!

Anyone know of any?

Thanks!

Walt

It would be great if they would make it something like 20, 40 & 60 kHz as Simon mentioned.  Add wireless audio and viola, GM2000!

I wish they had made the Eureka Gold simultaneous.  I think it would have made a BIG difference.