Skull diver

2 hours ago, Joe Beechnut OBN said:

Nice gold! If digging it up is all that matters you should video your hunts. Being able to relive each second when that moment comes is worth more than the gold one digs. I've been doing it for sometime now, and really enjoy reliving the forgotten memories.

I do it when I can Joe...But I'm afraid I have a curse with action cams.

Every time I take one with me on the mask, it drains the battery before the magic moment, or the focus fusses and it looks terrible... Or worse, nothing comes out and I capture a whole film of garbage.

Conversely, when I am without cameras, the craziest things happen and you would hardly believe it

I recently had some doubts about the effectiveness of my sessions and made a radical change in instrumentation.

Although I had been adopting the Deus 2 on the bottom for a year continuously now, I first overdid it by dusting the immortal Excalibur and later dusting the Ctx3030...

Last week the numbers suddenly spiked and I reluctantly decided to sell the Deus 2.

As I write, the new owner of the remote is getting ready to go out for the first time to the beach with my former detector.

What happened this morning, however, marks a historic date for me.

I am a diver, I practice the shoreline very little, and in my area, given the minimal tidal variation, practically after the first autumn storms the equipment is all in the water...

Well, after years, I pulled up a ring in one of the worst spots where nothing but aluminum, iron and rarely any coins turn up.

I hate to repeat it, but the time saved by avoiding digging out any possible sign made all the difference.

Little does the bit of gold matter; getting to dig it up matters to me.

I have no words 🏴‍☠️

36 minutes ago, palzynski said:

Just my opinion as usual

I think that is exactly the explanation regarding this "problem."

During the first immersion sessions, I started already a year ago to have doubts about the design.

The rod that did not shorten enough without having to have the remote in the wrong position, the detection of the central aluminum rod as an absurd consequence of an otherwise excellent and deep detection...But this unfortunately was the flaw I could not turn a blind eye to.

It cost me $350 to replace the rod alone with one suitable for diving and I solved the ergonomics but the placement of the IDs is something that belongs to the software.

Now, knowing that there will be no changes, the use of this tool becomes questionable for me.

4 hours ago, King-Of-Bling said:

Dump the D2. The wide range of #s is why a few guys( after many attempts) have ditched it here in So.Cal...And we are not underwater hunters like you are. Many factors as you already know  contribute to what gold jewelry will ring up as. Other machines are not immune either such as the Nox. But junk targets (anything not gold) and sucking air/time underwater is of concern. I sure do like my old DF as my sidearm , lol. Btw....nice rings !

You totally understood my disagreement.
I mounted the 11" coil on the original rod to use it with the ws6 master, and maybe on wetsand some higher Id to dig into wouldn't kill anyone.
On the other hand, when I am on the bottom and have to fight with current and poor visibility, spending time and air having to doubt every signal over 60 points doesn't help at all.
I hate to compare with a Manticore, I understand that technically we are talking about a different signal processing algorithm, but at equal of 99 IDs I observe on the "Manti" low conductors between 01 and 50 as signals suitable for jewelry.
Instead, I struggle to understand Xp's choice in wanting to leave us users in these conditions of use.I seriously struggle to understand the reasons.

2 hours ago, strick said:

Not sure what you are struggling with but nice work on recovering those rings...

strick

For the past three weeks or so, I find myself digging with the Deus 2 any ID from 25 to 80 and above.

An incredible amount of lead and coins and really rarely any gold.

Yesterday morning with my very old Ctx, barely a piece of lead and a coin, but 4 pieces in 4 1/2 hours.

Same spot, third session in a row with D2, Excalibur and now Ctx.

I have no comment on this except that I find the loss of time due to the allocation of low conductors everywhere in the ID scale of Deus 2 unacceptable.

I am also strongly displeased with Xp's dry response that it does not intend to vary the distribution of low conductors with an update.

I may sell shortly...

I would also add that Xp talks about signet rings in that higher ID band, but I have encountered this problem twice now with 18K wedding bands of 6.49 and 6.29 grams each.

Thickness can be a terrible issue on this machine. An expensive issue.

1 hour ago, mn90403 said:

Regained confidence through finds.  More to follow.

Right...But I don't know whether to call myself satisfied for reopening the game or screwed by the last investment.

I will tolerate poorly an ineffective expenditure if I have to use a 13-year-old, worn-out tool to get this.

5 hours ago, JCR said:

Very nice.

Old swimming places are the perpetual marvel of our disease😅

1 hour ago, Valens Legacy said:

Glad to see you hitting the gold again, and I know that the hard work has paid off for you.

Keep up the good work and good luck on your next hunt. Stay safe out there and bring home the gold.

Finally, after two weeks fighting with extreme overburden and forced to some unproductive reverse dredging, the miracle of the new moon is doing better as usual 🏴‍☠️

4 hours ago, midalake said:

Very classy finds!!  Good work. 

Old stuff never stops to fascinate Us✨

8 hours ago, The_Stalker said:

Yes Skull. Great work and beautiful finds.  Proof that hard work and adapting your equipment to your environment will always pay off.  Always a pleasure following your posts.

Right now, I find myself having to compare two detectors and determine for sure what I could do without.

The results are already quite clear, and I am not happy about that, because I demand from a modern high-end instrument, an effectiveness at the level at least similar to that of a technology that is more than 10 years old.

Instead, I don't.

Instead, I perceive a significant loss of time in qualifying a low conductor signal and the resulting ineffectiveness over time of the air-limited session.

I recently had some doubts in using the main detector and was pondering the possibility of eliminating some by selling.

In detail, I complained of some high ID response that I accidentally dug up in the absence of decent signals.

The last victorious session, brought me a 6.49-gram 18K wedding ring and by sheer luck, with an amazing 80, I deigned to dig it out.

So this morning I decided to go out with a dear old detector, one that doesn't mess around, and the numbers are shocking considering the spot, the devastated condition of the clay and rocks, and lousy visibility.

After 4 1/2 hours on the bottom, thanks to the use of hooka compressor, I flushed out 4 pieces totaling 20 "dirty" grams.

The numbers speak for themselves, and I am beginning to have clearer ideas....

I will add no more...

@Digalicious

Yours is an interesting observation.

I understand your use of this filter on the Legend to avoid digging up some iron.

What I can tell you about the D2 is that to be honest it is better to trust the audio because in almost every mode it results in a "dirty" tone instead of a clear, stable, repeatable sound.

As always there is case and case.

Under excessive layer conditions, whether sand overburden or high grass, remember that the reading can be distorted on the coil detection limit.

Then you would get an opposite disturbance that declares a nonferrous target as ferrous, ruining the signal.

I tried to increase discrimination by decreasing iron sounds, but it produced no benefit whatsoever in fact the risk is precisely that of guaranteed masking already over 6 points if you are on a buildup point.

@Mark Gillespie

Accidentally, I experienced the same behavior last night, but I was not in research.

During an M12 connector repair and before a resin pour to restore the headset on the Ctx, I tried swinging a coin to get a signal.

Besides discovering that one of the two speakers is now in need of replacement, having a significantly lower sound, the coin swung at a greater distance was barely being read and with a hopping ID both high and wide in the two FE/CO parameters.

Then moved closer to the coil, the signal began to become more stable and distinct.

It therefore happens with and without ground, in spite of whatever frequency is in use.It is always a matter of the distance to the coil varying the effective reading from a missed or improper detection.

With the Deus2 I always have the impression that during the air test, the detection is at effective at a lesser distance from the coil, and then dig pits deep to the point where I wonder if it is possible with a 9" to get that far.

I would honestly add that put on the board both instruments, to date I regret the placement of the CTX on the low conductors to the detriment of less depth and effectiveness while I get the exact opposite with the Deus2, certainly having more depth and ID stability but always having to be alert on 50 different potential points for gold out of 99...
I explicitly asked Xp about the possibility of working on this "issue" and received a flat no.
(My 2 cents)

20 minutes ago, ColonelDan said:

it may be a crazy idea….🤷🏻‍♂️

It is not, I can instead confess the same desire to possibly use other parameters and programs at the beach or in salt water.

A goldfield program with salt removal capability for example would be able to flush out fine necklaces.

But I remember that Steve in a really detailed post explained the great difficulty in using a gold detector (in our case a program) without having to give up something.

Hypersensitivity to gold invariably means going crazy with false signal from salt.

2 hours ago, Jeff McClendon said:

5 gram US nickel under 4" of AZ dirt and 5" air gap: Deus 2 Weak 2 way no ID: Manticore Weak 2 way ID 56 

This figure makes me think a lot about the allocation difference between the two...

Thank you!

I will follow this post carefully.

Although I don't yet own a Manticore, after a year and a half using the Deus 2 with 9" coil, although it is an effective and sensitive tool on really thin pieces, I am extremely displeased with the much scattered concentration of low conductors IDs.

I won't add anything else and I don't want to polemic, but if a solution doesn't come in a future update, I will sell the Deus 2 for a Manticore, even at the expense of lower detection depth and lower resistance in immersion depth.

1 hour ago, UKD2User said:

make sure the phones and the remote are both running the same firmware version.

Exactly 

4 hours ago, mn90403 said:

I do think you are on the final frontier

These days I'm afraid the main goal is to strive for immediate overburden removal, because tons of new sand have literally buried 90 percent of the nearest spots.

It begins that time when the real treasure is to intercept a pit where you have some opportunity to listen for signals.

After all, it is always like that, more than a moment....

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I am in particular interested in what people who have both think of the Deus 2 with 9" coil versus Manticore with 5x8 coil as working packages. I'll start a new thread on the Comparisons Forum on that topic.

Me too... Especially after recent troubles with gold ID's allocation... Something tells me it's time to listen words by "another church"

@Erik Oostra @Jeff McClendon

I confirm exactly what you have written about the quality of gold signals....

The Deus2 has a slightly chatty background signal that constantly accompanies as you move the coil, and it is easy to hear a sudden silence with a solid, distinct peak in between, even the volume goes up at that moment (this is accentuated if you don't overdo it with audio response over 3 and I have found it more effective).

Of course, the screen in this case also has an ID that fluctuates less, I would say between two or maximum three points, if not a solid digit with object in perfect position.

This happens with virtually any good target whether it is cylindrical in shape or a coin or a ring....

I have been smiling on the wetsand recently whenever I could tell the difference between a foil and a solid target.

My damnation is to repeat this audio investigation underwater, before digging down to the pain in my wrist.

It is happening to me that I am finding an Excalibur with a brazen soft, round sound more effective, versus a dubious beep so extended over 50 possible IDs... that's it...

I am chagrined with myself in having to constantly doubt whether to dig beyond 60 points or not, and this unfortunately does not happen with other instruments, there is evidence everywhere on the net.

(Edit)

Accidentally found this footage and I'd say...A sure missed one for me...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3fAhc9rO7w/?igsh=MWQ1NGV2cWZkdmt3ZA==

I conclude this post with one last report on how I am dealing with this problem....

Remembering once again that I could never promote one brand over another, to sweeten the bitter pill I fixed a different program by tightening the tone bins, this time in 5 tones (square obliged by underwater headphones).

Although I preferred full tones for a distinction of signal stability, this time an uncertain ID is within 20 maximum points between bin and bin, with a gradual upward spike toward the highest IDs.

I found it useful to lower the audio response to 3 or 2 in favor of higher general and salt sensitivity.

I also totally reset the audio filter from 1 to 0 for a more crisp sound when above the target.

I won't be sure of the effectiveness until next Friday, the first useful day to safely dive, but we'll see.

I will make use of the good old rule, raising the coil on signals with high id, to distinguish the quality of sound on low conductors, which generally do not respond as loudly over 12".

Thanks again to all of you.

21 hours ago, Skull diver said:

I just contacted XP via the assitance form on their portal reporting the need to reduce the concentration of low conductors between 30 minimum and 60 maximum points.
I hope to get an answer to my question, whatever it may be.

14/02/2024 Last update by Xp factory:

No changes will be made to the ID range.
I have been advised to dig the higher IDs otherwise I'll risk losing signet rings.

Thanks to all of you who have responded and cooperated with advice on how to remedy the problem, but apparently we will stay that way--at least on the Deus2.

Skull 

I just contacted XP via the assitance form on their portal reporting the need to reduce the concentration of low conductors between 30 minimum and 60 maximum points.
I hope to get an answer to my question, whatever it may be.

8 hours ago, EL NINO77 said:

dig up a minimal amount of non-ferrous waste...

Exactly 💯.

Everyone talks about iron and masking, but the serious issue is shortening the time to dig on unneeded or unwanted targets.

For me, with discrimination at or near zero, a tone that declares iron is more than fine.

No need for filters of any kind except to reduce saline hypersensitivity noise, otherwise immersed in water with zero EMI and away from other divers everything is ok.

This flaw of such a large scale on low conductors is giving me serious problems.

This pulls down all the advantage of detection depth that I got with a 9" coil😑

6 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Manticore is rated to 5 meters vs. 3 meters for the CTX.

Although ID allocation is more suitable for me, I am highly skeptical about the hardware's resistance to pressure.

Years ago, in just over three meters below the surface, the Ctx screen had a red dot in the middle of the screen due to pressure.

Needless to say, I came out with a fracture line in the crystals.

Another damaged component was the speaker, first less effective, then corroded and mute.

For goodness sake, I never used any detector without headphones, which is why I did not care at all.

To conclude, the batteries at the tail end of the armrest, are only related to the protection of an o ring a few tenths thicker...

Never used lithium again, after every flooding I just cleaned and applied grease to the contacts of the alkaline box.