F350Platinum

I completely dislocated my left shoulder back in November, the orthopedic specialist I went to see poked and prodded a bit and told me I could get back to detecting immediately. He said it would be better for me to use it than keep it in a sling, that's the new way.

He simply said "if it hurts too much don't do it".

Digging makes it feel better, it still hurts from time to time.

I'd get a doctor's advice for a rib.

Just now, kac said:

Apparently that Indian artifact that jingled still has some powers. Been raining since you found it 😞

Nice run!

Thanks kac,

Now ya got me wondering... 🤔 😬

Mebbe I should put it back. 🫤

On second thought, I did possibly move the rain to weekdays instead of weekends, so...

You're welcome. 🤣

27 minutes ago, Lodge Scent said:

Great hunt F350! I am happy finding buttons all day. You know there are coins to be found there. I've been playing with Tekkna lately but Relic is never far from my mind. It will hit some good targets at a pounded site so hard that I am skeptical of what I am hearing. That tinkler is a very cool find!

Thanks Ghound,

Between us we got 27 buttons total. I'm thinking that because I found an Indian artifact in the same place, it must have been a place where goods were traded, not sold. Not one button found is the same as any other. Buttons were a premium item 250 years ago, so they were no doubt reused.

If the field had been cleared better we would have dug more, the deeper stuff was evading us unless the spot was clear or between rows. Bean stalks dry out and become tough. Relic is the only program to use in that situation because we had to keep the coil over 4" above the ground where the stalks were, that's what it is best at.

Could be there aren't any coins at all, or that the heavier stuff sank deeper.

Tekkna is great for really trashy spots but Relic is the best choice where we were. 👍

They did ask me to include a copy of the original receipt, glad I had it. XP doesn't really have warranty registration which could be a problem. 🤔

1 hour ago, Alexnov said:

2000 лет до нашей эры. Пантикопея

2000 BC. Panticopea

1 hour ago, Skull diver said:

Should one send it to the dealer who first made the sale to initiate the service procedure?

Thank you to anyone with information on this matter....

First off, I'm sorry you have had to give up on the Deus 2, so close to perfect and yet so far. 🫤 I completely understand your dilemma and hope that you find the right machine, seems that the Manticore may be worth a shot, I wish you the best of luck. 🍀

If the person who bought your coil is in the USA, there is one place they can call to get warranty work without going through a dealer, at least I had success with them, and they turned my remote around in a week.

Detector Electronics Corp.

23 Turnpike Road

Southboro, MA 01772

508-460-6244

That's all I have, if you can specify the country you sent it to that would help others who may know a similar warranty fulfillment company.

50 minutes ago, Doc said:

Like Groucho Marx, "Say the Magic word and the duck will give you a prize."

... And sometimes we just get a "goose" from the duck... 🤣

Sounds interesting Doc, yes even with the lightest of detectors fatigue is noticeable.

Nice of you to award Valens Legacy, he is a prescient individual more than he knows sometimes.🏆

2 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

You've collected so many permissions it boggles the mind.🤯

You can actually cherry pick the locations instead of just the targets..👍  

 

One of the things that I haven't mentioned about farms is that there are so many conditions and stages happening that it is difficult sometimes to choose where to go. When Chase comes down I try to think of a spot (or let him pick, saves guilt 😏) that will almost guarantee some decent finds to make the trip worthwhile. Personally I can go to any of these places, hunt all day and not find much. Unless I get some interesting item or many, I might not post. It is still fun and does not bother me.

Posting a crap hunt sometimes does keep it real though, and makes me more credible. 🤔

Here farmers plant mostly corn or soybeans with either winter wheat, barley or "cover crop" after harvest. The cover crop they don't care about. Some farms are so big that they rotate two crops. 

With corn, if they don't knock the stalks down with a bush hog or tiller it is almost impossible to hunt, so a field with corn can be a two year wait to revisit. Soybeans are preferable as if conditions are good they will cut them short. This field was not so good, but we toughed it out knowing it would be a two year wait if we didn't. Not only is it fresh but also putting it off might make the aged owner forget he gave permission.

Add to that other strategic difficulties, some farms have very little to offer or are extremely trashy. I have one really big one that has literally nothing on it despite its age, or at least I found nothing while scouting it for a whole day. Others have hotspots, some of which have been wiped out and I am  awaiting some sort of tilling to refresh the place 🤪

But yes, having a lot of places to go does lead to getting still more. If I pass a farm of interest and it feels like the time is right and the farmer is out there, I'll stop and ask. Most are curious as to what I might find, and thankfully appreciate the desire for some reward for me should I do all the work to dig it up. Establishing a friendship of sorts goes far, they will try to think of other places to look, or even ask someone else for me.

There are 2 rules for getting permissions:

1. Start out with a question about the history of the place and a compliment about how nice it is, then Listen to the farmer after asking to hunt it, no matter how long they talk. It's the most important thing, if you act hasty or impatient, you're not doing to get it. If they say no, be prepared to calm their fears of leaving holes and damage. Make them say no more than once.

2: See rule 1.

I guess you could just say it's complicated 🙄 but I do hope to inform as well as brag 😎 information is a bit more important here.

7 minutes ago, NCtoad said:

The four copper coins are United States wheat cents.  The dates of those four are:  1930, 1934, 1945 and 1953.  The silver coin is a Japanese coin.  I’m not sure of the exact date but most likely pre world war II…probably from the 1930s era.  So they’re not very old.  But thanks for your interest.  

I was asking Alexnov what he found, but very cool stuff man 🙂

I translated his post.

On 3/20/2024 at 5:53 AM, rvpopeye said:

A pair of hemostats 8" down next to a big rock on the path from the parking lot and 2 pennies , 1 was a zincoln.    All of these spots were less than 5 miles from the LLBean main store , expected more from places that are  probably swarmed every summah .

That's about all I get most times when I hunt a very small beach nearby, but paying attention to the tides and going when they are the lowest possible can turn some stuff up.

Of course my beach is on a big sandy river, and the only rocks I encounter are the imported rip rap they use to keep the parking lot from being swept away. 🤔

Forgive me for kidding ya, but congrats on the gravity-defying photo and the sidelight to bring out the detail.

At least you won't wonder where the hemostat is now. 😁

4 minutes ago, Alexnov said:

Я люблю tekkna. Я не знаю, что это такое, но поверю Гэри на слово, что с этим происходит какое-то колдовство! Лол какое-то колдовство! Лол ,,,,🙂

Translation:

"I love tekkna. I don't know what it is, but I'll take Gary's word for it that there's some magic going on with it! Lol some kind of witchcraft! Lol,,,,🙂"

Alexnov,

Can you identify the objects you found and the age of them? Very interesting. They look very old. Do not do so if it is not in your best interest. 🙂

On 3/26/2024 at 10:33 PM, Doc Bach said:

Super copper trade piece Bob. Or who knows possibly an ancient Indian made artifact that predates the other finds by many years?Gotta love that relic program! It's been pretty much exclusive for me the last few months. I use it until I get plumb worn out or it's not practical then I switch over too fast and cruise along.

Thanks Doc,

A lot of people use fast, I tried one version of it but they blanked out iron, which while relic hunting is useless to me. I'll have to mess with it some. 🤔 

I like the Tekkna program and am excited to see what they will do for it with beach hunting, but it is specialized and too soft in the clean places. I use it to get a break from the harshness of Relic. 🙂

Relic makes a distinctive sound when passing over something good, even with low reactivity. With the 13" coil battery it lasts all day, I don't think it was as good in versions before V2.

I rarely find Indian stuff, here they didn't use copper before the settlers arrived unlike some lucky hunters out west. I hear many tales of arrowheads everywhere but have yet to find one of them either. 🫤

1 hour ago, ColonelDan said:

Glad to see your Relic program treated you so well!  👏🏻🫡

Thanks Colonel,

I ran sensitivity and audio response high with reactivity low. Goes really deep. Really great in relatively clean areas, but prone to false on forged iron. It holds ID down to no signal.

On 3/24/2024 at 11:21 PM, midalake said:

There were so many fan boys when the D2 came out and how it was going to RULE small everything. Well, we know that did not happen. 
YET, the Equinox never falters and excels at small bits. 

Hey, I resemble this remark! 🤣

For sure at first the D2 did not rule at finding small stuff, but now I'm shocked at what it finds now under V2, even with the 13". 🤔 

I only have the lowly Equinox 600, and it sure did find a lot of tiny stuff, but most of my hunting with it was the 10x5.

I think it's arguable from a relic hunting standpoint that being able to swing a much lighter detector for more hours at a time has produced some banner finds for me this year, from tiny gold rings to bits of Spanish silver, to small buttons 10+ inches deep like I dug yesterday.

While I'm sure I would have found most of all of it with the 600, it sure was more comfortable using the D2.

It's getting close to beach season for me, I'm excited to get out there with V2 and see what I get. It was in its infancy last year when beach season ended, but I got 2 gold rings in two days in a place I didn't think there were any 🤯

I agree with you man, but it probably has as much to do with your proficiency as a detectorist which you undoubtedly have, your persistence and knowledge of your hunting spots. 👍

🍀

31 minutes ago, JCR said:

Nice hunt. It is fun to speculate & try to figure out why a "hot spot" would be where it is in a now wide open empty space.

Thanks JCR,

Since we didn't find any coins we think it might have been a gathering spot for barter. I've found spots like this in other farms here, lots of buttons and animal tack but no money.

There was an old house back in the woods, there was a road going to it that I walked using Caltopo, but there was nothing but iron. The house site is very difficult to get to, and right on a ravine that drops off precipitously, I'm never comfortable around those. 😬 There is nothing in the field near the house site.

Much later another house was built, and an old machine shop and post office is there in ruins, somewhat famous in its own right. The later house is gone and replaced by a current one, and sadly lots of the topsoil has been scraped to the edges of the ravines to slow erosion.

I guess we'll have to look around the edges a bit.

3 hours ago, Valens Legacy said:

That is great on the finds once again and glad to see you save some more history.

Good luck on your next outing and as always stay safe out there.

Thanks VL, relic season is almost over, maybe a couple more weeks but I have to start yard work and getting my RV ready for beach season. I'll miss the quiet of hunting the fields. We have no parks in this area that can be legally hunted so I won't be getting out as much. This has been my best relic season ever.

The problem with people at the beach is people at the beach. 😏

This one is for the button fan, I dug a 1926 wheat in another field but that was it for the coins.

Invited Chase up for one of the last hunts here, a new 100 acre permission that I didn't find much in before, we set out to scout the other half of it that I didn't get to.

It's a huge field that had beans on it last year, usually I prefer to hunt in bean stalks but this one is tough, the stalks are too tall. We ran into a farmer friend who told us this is because when they are rushing to get the beans before a rain, they lift the combine collector and don't cut them short. The stalks become really stiff by spring and are very hard to walk on, they chip at your shoes and can go through your hand or foot if you're not careful. 😬

We set out heading to the other side of the field, Chase went ahead and hunted around the old barn, I think he got a couple of wheats there.

I walked up the center of the field not expecting anything, I had crisscrossed this field before and found literally nothing. Got a 47 and dug this rolled copper "tinkler" that was traded with the Indians:

https://www.nativetech.org/metal/tinkle/tinkle.html

It would be a "point" or arrowhead if it had a point, these were hung on their clothing and they jingle.

I immediately went into circle mode, making a spiral around the place I found the first object, and hit 3 buttons. By this time Chase was way across the field, so I noted where I found this stuff and joined him to scout the rest of the place. We found next to nothing, I got just a few buckle bits. We decided to go back to this "hotspot" and the buttons just kept coming, I think between us we found well over 20. Small cuff buttons, medium buttons, a couple large, both brass and Tombac. They were everywhere in about an acre or so.

What I thought might be a pretty bad day turned out to be a great one, I got all this:

16 buttons and a bunch of other brass stuff. Chase did as well. When things wound down we quit for the day, but there are certainly more there.

Here's the trash, only a handful but I got fooled by a few bits of big iron today:

I was using Relic exclusively, with the 13" coil on the Deus 2, with reactivity at 1 and Audio response 7. Some of the buttons were over 10" deep! We found other artifacts that deep too.

Sadly we found no coins in that spot. We think it was an area where people got together and traded stuff in the 1600s and 1700s, and possibly with the Indians as well.

This is a great example of how you really have to search a farm to find the hotspots, it takes a lot of determination and some really good guesses. You just can't give up!

There may be another hotspot here, there is a part of the field we didn't go to, but we'll get there.

🍀

52 minutes ago, NCtoad said:

and to my surprise a Japanese phoenix coin that is silver!

Outstanding, NC.

Your coin is a 50 Sen coin, date uncertain, but it's the "Small" one. .720 silver. 👍

Gotta love Tekkna. 🙂 

The 9" makes a difference when there's a lot of trash.

Congratulations Steve!

An enviable group of finds by any measure. 👍 Bravo!

What sort of place were you searching?

36 minutes ago, UKD2User said:

This is the only thing I disagree with/understand differently. Adjacent iron does make a non-ferrous target look/sound worse (more ferrous) than it otherwise would. 'Masking' is the term I (and I believe the majority of other people who think about such things) use to describe this effect.

Whatever techniques you use, and whatever they're called, some will be better, and some will be worse at winkling out 'masked' non-ferrous targets in the ground.

Do we agree on the above?

Yes. I think that some think they're going to find stuff directly under iron by discriminating the iron. I have seen that work but only in an air test with nails on top of a coin with an old Tesoro detector, the digital machines with DD coils simply don't do it. The Tesoro had a mono coil. I have never been able to repeat that "in the wild" 😅.

I agree with your assessment completely. I knew that I would ruffle some feathers, thanks for playing! 🙂

Coil size, whether larger than the target with iron surrounding it, or small enough to get between the iron, coupled with a certain response speed (reactivity, recovery) is what will win the day. If there is enough iron present it will overwhelm the coil, so technique comes into play. The Deus 2 goes to 7 reactivity, imagine using that! 🤯

But the higher response speed, the less depth. 😵

@NCtoad posted a video where it was speculated that a larger coil might be just as good. I'm not a fan of Mr. Lemke but he does make a point, and NC showed us some nice finds. 👍 I tried it, it did seem to hit deeper stuff which I expected it would, but it also did way more down averaging than the 9" did.

Air tests and even symmetric in-ground tests don't do much for me, try burying a silver dime and throw a handful of nails over it... 🤔 Which is about as real as you're going to get. 🫤

Seems to me the "witchcraft" of Tekkna comes from the forced conductor tone spread and reactivity.

I use 2 reactivity mostly but turn it up as high as 4 when things get crazy, knowing I'm going to get more shallow targets.

Well thanks Tekkna detractors, but move on, please. 🙄 

Y'all seen to think I'm promoting this as some sort of magic bullet, it's not - but it is very useful. You are going to dig non ferrous stuff that is junk, and if there is lots of junk, you will dig lots of junk. If you pay attention to the sounds, what you won't dig is iron.

I've tried the other programs posted here and they are far more useless than Tekkna. Blanking iron out completely is ridiculous, how do you know where you are?

"Unmasking" is a myth that only appears in air tests. Best you can hope for is separation. That's what Tekkna is all about. If you hear a persistent mid or high tone on iron, try to isolate it. Dig it if you hear it in all directions. Simple...

Gary Blackwell released a new video, and promises to post a version for the beach soon:

Love dogs but I don't think I'd let mine chew my MI-6. 😏

I have had great success with this program, it goes where Relic needs a rest. Personally I think the 9" coil is better suited to it the more dense the trash is, but I always have the 13" with me. YMMV.

Only a few more weeks until I have to give up farm hunting for 7 months 😢 but I'm looking forward to the beaches! I will probably take Beach Tekkna for a spin as soon as it comes out.

🍀 GL, HH.

20 hours ago, Lodge Scent said:

It seems to fair better in very low trash environs.

Well yes, but that would also make a better case for Relic.

I used it in a mostly iron situation and it did find great stuff. When the targets get thin I switch to relic, because I'm heavy trash relic is too loud.

I guess I didn't mind digging all that "trash" if there are precious metals and coins at stake, simply because any non ferrous stuff could be really good, and it's comfortable with iron volume at 8 or less.

Rarely is a signal diggable if it doesn't produce clear tones in all directions, that is the thing to force yourself to remember when using it.

Hey Mr Metal,

A metal detector company will issue updates to fix problems that customers have. They do not ever release an update that will make their product worse, that does happen with cell phones and computers but not metal detectors. Ask yourself this:

What would they have to gain with program obsolescence?

A bad reputation hurts sales.

If you've been detecting a long time, I understand why you might be reluctant to update a trusted machine, but that particular update has not been changed for 3+ years now. They made other improvements than just adding 4kHz. Think of what you might be missing... Or have missed. 🙂

🍀

2 hours ago, rvpopeye said:

Aluminum clothes pin ?🤯 

Yep, they were called "Hollywood Pin Ups", made in the 1940s.

I didn't dig the Walker, that was a reference photo.

I didn't dig the dime either. 😁

8 minutes ago, blackflag said:

Do you have any idea what this item in your trash pile is? I’ve been digging these on an old place and noticed that you had one in your trash. Thanks 

 

Haha yes, I sure do.

It's an aluminum clothes pin, ca. 1940s.

This site has bits of a lot of them. 🤬