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4 hours ago, JCR said:

Then why did they purchase the company & rights to it's product R & D?

The big question is how much did they pay.  Depending on cost, it may have been worth it just to get the 24k onboard.

Minelab put up their pictures of their UK dealer conference, a handful of dealers showed up, I'm sure a few of them came together too from the one dealer.   I guess soon they'll be selling direct off their website like they've configured for some of Asia, as they've spoken about in their investor reports to streamline sales.

A sign of the times for dealers I guess, gradually disappearing.  I was quite surprised with the UK being such a populous country to have so few dealers show up.

I like their little shovel spoons, I bet a few of them were knocked off 😛

Maybe I'm just used to the Microsoft, Intel, Nivia etc dealer conferences where hundreds of people were there and they had to hire out big venues to host them.

They put up their African one a few months ago, it was a little bit busier and they gave them all free hats and t-shirts.

This is an interesting photo, the two GPZ's are well used, the two 6000's are brand new, I wonder if they were samples for them to try them out.

Lots of happy faces!

The problem with sharp is they recommend DD coils for it.

Sharp
(GPX 4500, 4800, 5000)
Sharp is similar to Normal but creates a more powerful detection field. It is capable of an improvement in depth, but is more susceptible to interference and will increase the severity of false signals in difficult grounds. This timing is best used in quiet conditions and can work well in combination with Deep Search Mode with a reduced Rx Gain setting. Sharp is an excellent tool for pinpointing faint signals due to the very "sharp" signal response. Sharp will work best with DD coils in most gold field locations.

If you look at this chart it has Sharp as blank for monos, blank meaning the timing will work, but other timings will work better.

I'm guessing the shot that gave the 2-4 reading wasn't lead? if you've still got it, can you check with a magnet.   Steel shot tends to give a bit higher reading, although my pick magnet normally deals with that.

Looks like their security was a bit more lax than the other detectors that are encrypted, bugger for Nokta, the market is going to be flooded with these things in no time.

I believe @mn90403 has a fair bit of experience with this.

Nope, they didn't bunch up the wire in any spots on the 10", it's completely flat, the 10" is a round coil. 

The 12x6" is a semi spiral, but the 10" is more sensitive than it to smaller targets and of course deeper being a round coil, the sensitivity to tiny targets is most pronounced at the very centre of the coil.

@Tyler I don't know, I doubt there can be a definitive answer to that, so many more Noxes out there, and who knows if people follow the depth guidelines, sure some fail when they shouldn't, impossible to know how many.  Thus far it looks like the Legend maybe more reliable in water, but then again, how do you quantify how many are used in the water compared to the Equinox.

With the Equinox being around for half a decade now it's bound to show more failures regardless.

Mines the same except my UVC is 23990, mine was a very early release one, so maybe that numbers creeping up as they sell.

I was worried mine would say hardware version 20 being an early one, fortunately they've not changed hardware version so far.

18 hours ago, Tyler said:

Has it been submerged? 

Makes no difference, they either live or die 🙂 I'd rather it had been submerged, as it means it survived so that's a good sign.

On 2/27/2024 at 6:11 PM, Jeff McClendon said:

I used a 0.05 gram nugget and a 0.15 gram nugget under 1" of moderately to highly iron mineralized Arizona gold field dirt. This dirt's magnetite mineralization almost filled up the Deus 2 iron mineralization meter. 

I used a 0.25 gram nugget under 3" of the same dirt.

I used a 5 gram USA modern nickel under 4" of the same dirt

Any depths reported beyond those were "air gap" depths swinging the coils an inch or a few inches above the top surface of the dirt.

Thanks for that testing Jeff, I'd missed it until now.  A bit of a question for you, with many detectors I find that they hate air gaps, for example I can detect a coin at 8" with the Equinox and 11" coil, I lift the coil 2" and the coin is gone or best case identifies as iron.  If I then move that coin down 2" in the soil and detect it, it detects fine, and I can go another couple of inches.  

The CTX and Manticore are two models of detector that don't seem bothered by air gaps.  

Why this has always bothered me is the areas I hunt often have quite long grass, they're not well mowed, and when the mower guy shows up I get all excited and go detecting the next day so I can get closer to the ground.  when I was using my Equinox 800 the longer the grass got the less finds I had, after a mow it was like night and day.  With the Manticore and CTX handling the air gap much better I wasn't so bothered when the grass was a bit longer, I was still doing just as well.

I am wondering if the Deus 2 is one of the detectors that hates an air gap.  The Manticore I already know doesn't, so if the Deus 2 does hate an air gap then it could go a little way to explain why all the targets dropped off so much when you lifted the coil.  I've never owned a Deus 2, probably never will, but I think my Deus 1 hates an air gap, although I don't find it a very deep detector in the first place.

31 minutes ago, Norvic said:

That Trick X coil use not to stack on the 10" do you know what it is? Smaller diameter Litz?

Same wire.  Just done a bit differently.  I'm not meant to reveal the secret not that I completely understand it, it hasn't been duplicated at this stage which other coil technologies often are, as soon as one manufacturer does something the rest are sure to follow.    The 10" came out nearer to the end of them selling GPX coils and not many were sold compared to the other sizes so I guess nobody got their hands one that wanted to chop it up.

2 hours ago, Aureous said:

Both the NF 12x8 mono for legacy GPX and the Coiltek 9" Elite are twin stack flatties as well. Anything under 11" is gonna need stacking.....otherwise, there's not enuff room. 

True, but the 10” X-coil isn’t stacked, they used another trick, I wondered how Coiltek did their 9” and now it makes sense, also why I think my 10” is more sensitive than the 9”

Timings are one of the most confusing things about the original GPX series, once you've got a good handle of them, I don't really think it's all that much more complicated than many modern high-end VLF's, in fact some like the Legend that are notoriously hard to navigate can be just as difficult to understand as a GPX.  

Now we have the new GPX 6000 detector, some of the benefits of having multiple timings are being realized.

I too hope Garrett stick with the Apex style control pod for the coming weather event, I'm not much of a fan of the mobile phone on a stick design with side buttons, I like the bigger screen designs like the CTX, and now Apex.  The AT and Ace series had terrible screens, I have good eyes and I struggle to see the little screen in the sun sometimes, let's face it, tiny little things even though the Cottrol pod is massive.

I hope Garrett realize the Apex has a nice pod design and suitable for their higher end machine and don't think it's their "Ace" lineup pod and go for the phone on a stick design for their higher end machine to be like the competitors. 

The one timing chart that's missing is this one, this one I found easiest to understand before moving onto the more detailed charts.

Steve has a great collection of the timing charts here, however this one was missing.

It was acquired from this Minelab document, the document was the likely cause of Americans running around using fine gold thinking it was the best setting, because of this statement in the document describing the new fine gold timing, "Awesome in US goldfields! Easily finding 0.03dwt nuggets in heavily mineralized, “hot rock infested” ground, using the super sensitive Monoloop coil."

It makes me wonder if I should have been running around myself in sharp, and not sensitive extra like I did with my mild soils.

5 minutes ago, RONS DETECTORS MINELAB said:

Thanks Simon,

Did you ever get a chance to try one out, curious to know what kind of performance it had on the 4500/5000 timings. 
Interesting that they discontinued it, seems like it would offer a good balance between a bundle and full spiral.

The 10" Full Spiral X-coil was more sensitive than the 12x6" Semi-Spiral, but the 12x6" was more sensitive than the 10x5" bundle wound coil I've got so it had its sensitivity benefits, I didn't own a Sadie at the time and haven't compared it now that I do have one but I still think the 12x6" will be more sensitive than the 8x5" Sadie, it was a good way to get some spiral windings into a smaller coil as we know coils like the Nugget Finder Sadie at 8x5" is less sensitivte to small gold than a bigger spiral coil like the 10".   The 12x6" worked well on the GPX, I still have one, it worked particularly well on the QED with its adjustable pulse rates and it loved the lowest pulse rate on the QED and was pretty good on that detector, and quite popular in the QED community.

A big part of the reason they discontinued all GPX coils is they're cheaper coils to sell, and with Covid and the increased shipping prices associated with that they became no longer viable to sell.  Prices have retreated a bit since then though.

yep, the 12x6" X-coil for the GPX 4500/5000 was one, it and all of their GPX coils went out of production a couple of years ago though, but maybe their GPX coils will be making a return sometime soon due to the Algoforce increasing demand again.

I've long been screaming for metal detector and coil manufacturers to come to their senses and make Snake like coils.  The 6.5x3.5" size in its solid form is a fantastic coil, the Gold Bug 2 has something similar albeit Concentric and it's part of the reason people love the GB2 still, after what is it now almost 30 years on the market, in fact next year will be it's 30th Birthday!   How many other electronics products are still on the market sold new after 30 years? I'm guessing almost none, even the common toaster has changed a lot in that time.

Not only is it good for prospecting for many reasons, it's good for hunting in heavy trash and difficult locations, it almost turns your detector into a super cool pinpointer with Target ID's.

If only they would listen.....

22 minutes ago, JohnnyRox said:

I wonder if after GBing out hot rocks...the detector will see a nonferrous target through the hot rocks?  I think the Tarsacci does something like that.

That's my big interest too, as from what I've seen only A PI can do this to a degree.

Beast must be the favoured buzzword for marketing at the moment, even the car brands are using it.

A very sincere welcome Bob, you will be a real asset to the forum.   A wealth of knowledge.  

The arrival of this storm is highly anticipated! 

ahhhhh now it's starting to make sense, the userrs are doing it.  The Ford, GM thing going on.

Thanks for clearing it up.

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and well, the Legend was a bit of a copy of the Equinox, and now its marketing is becoming a bit more Manticore like. 

Colour schemes, imagery, naming.... all very familiar.

I'm not so sure I like this marketing strategy, they're doing innovate original updates with the Legend, why not take their own path and separate themselves from the competitors.

18 hours ago, Tony said:

Just highlights how much local markup there is down here.

That, along with their fire sale pricing is cheaper than they have been selling to dealers.

If this is the new Fisher, with their new pricing method, I'm quite happy, they were always overpriced I thought, now they're good value and sales are clearly going to increase, the Fisher part of the forum is busier now as it's been in years.