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As I thought. The "thugs" would return.

Nice. Thanks

D4G

16 minutes ago, HardPack said:

The green color may be from chlorite in the schist.

Yes, that is my bet too.

 @Phrunt. I have used those plastic clips & lost many as well. When the coil cable gets hooked on a small branch or something when detecting in among bushes they tend to flick off never to be found again. The fact you say you have them laying around somewhere kind of tells me you don't/haven't used them. Maybe for the same reason. I just stick the velcro on the shaft with a bit of silicon & no more moving around the shaft.

Thanks for your reports. Always nice to see hear unbiased reports. Myself having a 6000 & 10x5 coil I am pretty sure I wont be tempted with this new one. Not overly a tiny gold hunter, there is a difference between tiny & small, but when I do target bed rock for fly poop gold I have a few VLFs that are more than equal to the job & the 6000 does good enough for me. The 11" coil is surprisingly good for general detecting too in our mild conditions.

Hope you have recovered from your drunkenness. You obviously got home alright. How far did you have to drive?

D4G 

12 hours ago, palzynski said:

Very nice machine .. There will be a few discussions at ML these days I think ... 🙂

Yes. Probably about taking legal action against their Ex employee engineer for some breach of breaking their gag order rules weather still employed or not.

D4G

18 minutes ago, Aureous said:

Same for me, I often have a ratio of 30:1 shotgun pellets to gold using the 6000. Plenty of un-detected deep gold around, its just that we don't have any new detectors capable of hearing it. I am soon getting a legacy Minelab PI (maybe SD2200D) and modding it for use with big coils. Beats a 7000 by a noticeable margin so should be interesting....

Awesome. Wish you luck.

D4G

3 hours ago, phrunt said:

keeping in mind NZ mostly has small gold so it would give me more finds than the 5000 does. 

More finds in pellets. You seem to totally focus on small targets & not larger deeper gold. You reap what you seek. If you are going over old thrashed ground & not only by you but others before you then the bigger deeper gold is most likely not there any more. To have a show of finding deeper bigger gold you need to use bigger coils & gear suited to that. You need to seek fresher less flogged ground as well. Be a lot more adventurous. I note that you seem to keep going back to & over the same old areas. 

I am not picking on you & I appreciate all you do & show. It is just that I am in NZ as well & our conditions will be very similar so it is interesting following you.

Good luck when you get out there.

D4G  

11 hours ago, Aureous said:

YES! Try it on a flogged patch and see what it finds that the other detectors cant hear. Fingers and toes crossed....🤞

We know how good he has been at finding lots of shotgun pellets. So if going over the same old grounds I am interested to see how many more he missed & if he actually improves his gold count/pellet ratio. Nothing quite like going back over thrashed grounds to test a new toy. One thing I am pretty sure of is that there wont be any bigger gold coming out. Its gone.

D4G  

15 hours ago, phrunt said:

Looking at the weather forecast it's looking like it's far too hot to go gold hunting tomorrow, the damn wind from Australia is really cooking us.   I might hit the beach tomorrow and do the gold later in the week when it cools down, there is no trees or anything for shade in the gold area, I'll be roasting to death, at least the beach I can dunk myself to cool down.  Either way, being a new detector very different to anything I've ever owned before I've got lots to learn and tinker with, I want to compare depth on a coin to the 5000 with the same coil too, to get an idea of how deep it goes on that sort of target and see at what point the target ID starts to become unstable. 

How hot is hot? I think our brothers across the ditch will laugh at you.

D4G

Bottom line will be to see how you do & how it goes out in the field on actual gold finds when you go out tomorrow. I can't wait to hear.

D4G

Not all gold tells the truth. Ain't that the truth.

D4G

On 2/3/2024 at 6:09 AM, Ndplumr said:

I double checked the area with my dowsing rods AND my xray glasses, and I think your pulling my leg to make a buck. Shame on you! 😂

Geoff Junk was serious.... 😉

D4G

14 hours ago, phrunt said:

Open designs on small coils are crazy, it's not like they're heavy, they're more of a problem than a benefit, never understood open design small coils like the 6" Nox coils, crazy. What's a few millimetres of plastic weigh to cover the gaps.

Could always make up & fit a skid plate. Personally I have never had or noticed any issues with using the 6" or coiltek 10x5 open web design. The 11" a little bit but it never did my head in.

21 minutes ago, phrunt said:

I'll gradually work out ways to deal with pellets, the scrape method usually gets rid of a many, the 6000 you do a scrape not even half an inch off the surface and a soft mellow gold sounding target becomes a screamer with a pellet, the 6000 goes from next to no response on a buried pellet to screaming on it with such a little amount of soil removed its frustrating, it really doesn't have much depth on pellets unless they're bigger ones or not the older lead ones.

There can also be very small gold on/near the surface as well. Many a piece I have found literally in the grass & caught up in the roots as I am sure you have as well. If you plan on going over old "proven" ground the slightly bigger deeper bits just may not be there any more. I wait with baited breath on your results.

D4G 

I have not seen so many excited kids in a candy shop since the announcement of the Equinox. The difference here though is that this detector was available straight off the bat before we knew anything about it. Unlike all the pre market build up of the nox hitting fever point.

I can't wait for Phrunt to get his hands on his & give us his reviews. I am counting the shoot gun pellets already. 😂

D4G

MMMmmm.... maybe the "thugs" will return now. 😐

D4G

8 hours ago, Nedkelly said:

Not sure about about Numeric ID, had a quick play with the pinpoint mode but couldn't work it out. After reading the manual again  I think I was looking at the ground mineralisation ID number. I'll try the more advanced features later. Small steps. LOL 😆 

Yes, if all else fails, read the instructions. 😉

D4G

19 hours ago, jasong said:

Don't depend on a Commander for any longevity. I've owned 3 and had 3 fail. I'm guessing I'm not telling you anything new here, but I opened them up to diagnose after the 3rd and they all failed for the same reason - that foam inside is really soft/weak and the lip on the spool gets brittle and breaks off. That causes the windings to start moving around when swinging, and a lot of noise. If you swing into bushes/trees/rocks often, or mistankenly step or trip on the coil, those lips will break and the coil will fail eventually from my experience. 

If the Detechs are potted or use some more rigid spool material I'd say they are a win over the Commander based on that alone. 

I too went through a few ML 11" commander coils. I really liked the mono but they did get noisy & very touch/bump sensitive. Was frustrating. I wondered if it was a combo of their shielding &/or the foam breaking down allowing the wires to loosen up. I often thought of injecting resin around the perimeter. Never did though but could be a fix. Add a bit of weight though.

D4G 

14 hours ago, phrunt said:

one of the reasons I don't like headphones is because they make it harder to hear what's going on around me.  

To me that is the bonus of headphones. It locks you in to what your detector is telling you with little to no outside noise influence. Like detecting in a strong wind or close to a busy road, or beside a running creek. Just focusing on the feedback from the detector & those extremely faint on the edge of detection hic-cups in the threshold.

In NZ you don't have to worry about a bear or a bigfoot or anything else making a charge at you. What is it you would need to be hearing going on around you? A wild pig maybe but then you wouldn't really be detecting in that type of terrain & vegetation.

D4G

58 minutes ago, phrunt said:

You're already using one 🙂 I don't think we will see deeper machines than already exist.

Never say never.....

D4G

2 hours ago, Gold Catcher said:

This really nails it, and this is perhaps not understood by some. For serious gold prospecting with a PI (let alone ZVT) there is no discrimination or target ID feature that would ever work with the current technology. Period. The Algoforce will not change this fact a bit. This is why neither the SDC, 6k nor the GPZ even offer this "feature", as they are designed for detecting gold. As Steve said, the only way to potentially do this is by ear. But it needs to be stressed that you really need to put in a few thousand hours fieldwork to get this "right". Many operators will not rely on this method and dig it all, me included. The only "discrimination" I do is the boot scratch method. Works pretty good, and it is free. For relic and coin hunting this is a different discussion, but also remember that gold prospecting and relic hunting are fundamentally different and require totally different techniques.

GC

Well said Gold Catcher. I too am a dig it all person with my gold detecting, & for the very reason Steve stated. While this can be very time consuming, & many times just for junk, I know all too well from experience what Steve said. I have dug many an ugly signal that had wire or trash written all over it only to my surprise it being gold. That is why I dig it all & just have to know what the signal was & the only way to be 100% sure is to dig the sod & have it in your hand. I don't even trust my ear. I have adopted the boot scrape or couple of light scrapes with the pick & if the signal has moved I put it down to a shallow or surface dwelling pellet & move on, but that is a judgment call on each occasion depending on a few factors . As has been said the mono coil will give that double blip too. My other form of reliable discrimination is the magnet on my pick.

D4G

18 minutes ago, Steve Herschbach said:

But in general the best we nugget hunters can hope for is decent ferrous discrimination, and even it always comes with risks. When in doubt, dig it out!

Yes agree. Unless cherry picking in a heavy iron infested location old habits die hard & digging all signals does/can pay off. The added bonus of removing iron junk is that next time you come by that location with a new tech detector/coil that junk isn't there any more.

It is going to be very interesting watching how this detector plays out. It will also be very interesting to how much more it increases Phrunts shotgun pellet count. 

D4G

2 hours ago, Steve Herschbach said:

It is to help tell gold from nails and other ferrous trash.

Bugger. 🙄  I was hoping it might be a magic wand. So still be digging all those bullets & other non ferrous items that litter the gold fields, as per normal.

D4G

1 hour ago, Steve Herschbach said:

I am shocked, stunned, and amazed that everyone seems to be skating past that this machine is offering the first true 0-99 conductive target discrimination ever offered in a real PI.

How beneficial is that going to be in determining gold from any other non ferrous target?

D4G

8 hours ago, Tony said:

I know of a few prospecting friends still consistently finding (deep) ounce+ pieces here in WA.

What machines/coils are they using.

D4G

10 hours ago, phrunt said:

It was easy to ignore your email Nenad, your email never arrived, perhaps you forgot to hit the send button 🙂

🤣 😂

D4G