Geordiedan

Well I for one thought we needed another thread about this 🤪🤠

Well I've not been a member here long enough to tell you what I think of that 🤪 but my post above was just word for word what the dealer told me this afternoon when she called me on the phone. Hoping it'll get resolved soon as they rang to take payment as soon as they thought they were on the way to the store, and this delay has come along unexpectedly.

The tester preproduction units didn’t have the final printing on the module which would explain that. Or to fool the drug dogs at the border one of the two 😝

Back on the manticore deliveries - just had a call from my UK dealer and apparently the whole shipment of manticores are stuck at customs being investigated/checked. The shipment of 7/900s which was sent later has landed in the uk fine though, seems the new product name or whatever has flagged it for additional checks 😞

Wait you guys have to pay taxes if you sell stuff on eBay? 🤯 (sorry for the thread drift)

My UK order is delayed as well 😞

There seems to be a lot to it as well as purely composition, including orientation in the ground (on an angle can make a more 'smeared' TT shape) and anything irregularly-shaped such as trash or a broken item which would always give a jumpy/erratic TID on a detector will also have a larger/more irregular shaped TT blob. Some good info in the manual PDF which shows some bottle cap examples and how they can create various TT blobs 🙂 Manual link if you've not seen it yet: https://www.minelab.com/__files/f/494367/4901-0428-1 Inst Manual, Manticore EN.pdf

On that we're agreed - anything that helps discern the differences between what's down there is a help. Tones will give much of the same data with jumpy/fuzzy signals but I for one am quite a visual person so the TT screen should hopefully be a help. Guess we'll find out soon but it'll be practice practice practice for a good old while before ignoring stuff becomes commonplace 🙂

I'm just pointing out that TT will not "show the shape of an object" as you stated which is being misquoted in a few places. Objects will have different shapes (and positions) on the TT screen depending on their metallic composition, but that shape won't necessarily be that of the object being detected - and if it does it's more a coincidence than by design.

No it doesn't. An elongated/irregularly shaped plot MAY correlate with an oddly shaped object, but it's just the plot of its 'jumpy' TIDs plus its level of ferrousness vs conductivity. Have a read of this page on the main MC thread: https://www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/19696-new-minelab-manticore/page/88/

I think that'd have been a more useful video if he'd left the iron audio on throughout. Interesting to see some of those traces though 👍

They're in transit from distributor to the dealer, so they were ringing the folks on their preorder list to take pay with the intention of getting them back out the door the same day they come in. I didn't ask how many they were getting but they confirmed I was in the first batch so likely to be one of the first UK customers in the wild to lay hands on one 🙂

Just had the retailer I'd preordered with on the phone to take payment (UK) - all paid up and should be in my hands in the next few days 🤠

I could fix it for him in 30 seconds, just needs his stylesheet links updated to use https. Won't even let me register a new account though so I'm stuck as a guest 😞

The site formatting gets messed up when you browse around via the navigation links (at least it does on my browser due to security controls), I recommend removing the s from https and the www. from the page address bar when you change pages, i.e. changing https://www.dankowski... to http://dankowski...

Suspect he means this thread - NASA-Tom has some great insights into the machines performance http://dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,185174,page=7

Same here it looks like the styling is broken - below link is a little better http://dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,185174,page=6

Hot off the press- shipping now

Some speculation it could be a new pinpointer to complement the manticore

One of the UK dealers has been quoted saying that's not the Manticore release, but a separate announcement from Minelab 😮

I've set the cash aside so I'm pretty much at the "Shut up and take my money" stage in my Manticore adventure 😄 Was out with the Nox at the weekend again and it's still a wonderful machine, picked up some tiny targets even in amongst the trash but would really benefit from a bit of better 'what's under the coil?' type discrimination. I'm hoping the Manticore can help with that (and if it doesn't then it should be an easy flip to sell on and I'll go back to ol' faithful as if nothing ever happened 😛 )

Minelab teaser for 1st December just added to their Facebook page

Yep, with you there Steve as I think I’ve posted before. I’m looking forward to getting my hands on one as my sites are hugely mixed with historical trash, so every little help for discrimination will be awesome.

Not sure if this info has been shared yet, but taken from a post I've read elsewhere: "2D ID Mapping The CTX3030 from Minelab, is a highly-regarded coin and treasure detector, maintaining its status as a high-performance metal detector for 10-years now. And one of the features that made this machine so popular is its visual XY, 2D presentation of targets. The FeCo system, or Ferrous and Conductivity to the uninitiated visually plotted the two different attributes on display, allowing the detectorists to analyse and decide on what a target could be due to the plotting position of a target. Very cool! However, Minelab have taken this system and made it even more sophisticated. The Manticore has a new 2D mapping system which has a horizontal line running through its centre. Targets which are plotted along this central line are non ferrous and the further they stray from it above or below mean they contain a higher iron content. That covers the targets position along the y axis, and this leaves the left to right, or x position which then covers conductivity, with low conductors on the left and high conductors on the right. But here’s where it reaches the next level, the shape of the indicator on the map also related to the target. A solid, concise object, like a coin will most likely be represented as a nice, clean dot on the screen, whereas a more erratic object will be represented as a more irregular shape. For example; a silver coin would show up along the centre line, as a tight dot, and towards the right side of the screen (due to its high conductivity), whereas a small iron nail would show up far from the centre line, as an irregular shape, and further towards the left of the screen (due to its lower conductivity). That’s a hell of a lot of information about a target before you even dig it. We will say though, it’s not going to be perfect every time, obviously environmental factors and target position will play a role in determining how precise signals are displayed." Target Separation Here’s something we have to tell you, as it blew our mind. Ensure you’ve read the above about 2D ID mapping to fully understand this bit. Craig Allison met Mark Lawrie, The Chief Engineer at Minelab and this demonstrated how good the Manticore is at target separation. Mark first showed us how the Manticore would communicate a hammered coin. He waived it left to right above the coil, and sure enough as described previously we saw a nice, tight dot, on the centre line of the Manticore display. What was really impressive however was when Mark added a second target into the mix. On the second demonstration Mark waived the hammered coin again, but also a large piece of lead with his other hand, both passing from left to right over the coil. We once again saw the hammered coin’s dot in the same place, but now saw a larger, messy splodge in the far-left corner of the screen. This easily illustrated that two targets were present, and that the Manticore is easily able to separate targets and reduce masking. This is a real game changer in terms of knowing when to dig, particularly in trashy sites like Roman settlements where lots of iron may be present and would therefore sometimes cause detectorists to doubt signals and decide not to dig.

What I'd seen so far suggests that the 2D screen is meant to show what sort of ferrous vs conductivity the target has, with the top/bottom being to allow you to see what type of ferrous target it is (small nails vs deep iron) and the middle of the screen being less/non-ferrous 'good' targets. The cleaner/purer the signal then the tighter the blob on the screen. In a few of the videos shown though the demonstrated 'good' target has been something like a silver coin which shows a nice tight round blob, so I guess some folk have taken that to mean it shows target shape. Likewise a rusty nail with a mix of solid iron and rusty bits has a more stretched TID range and has been showing on the demos as an elongated blob. I'm not expecting any real-world shape indicator from the Manticore myself.