Cal_Cobra

Looks like you're getting along with the french poodle just fine.   Love that spur, it's in great shape and even better, it's marked 👍

Great they were able to add a mineralization meter, well done! 

@Nokta Detectorsit would be great to see a chart or something that shows the differences between all the multi-modes.

Keep up the great work, happy to see this moving from bug fixes to new features and feature enhancements 👍

7 hours ago, kac said:

I believe that because the threshold discriminator is software based then it wouldn't behave the same as an analog. I heard it wasn't a depth demon but for most conditions that is not an issue.

I need all the depth I can get, along with the superior iron handing for relic sites.  The F5 isn't for these sites, but Mike seemed to get along with it pretty well for turf and jewelry hunting. 

On 4/14/2022 at 6:58 PM, kac said:

When you use the threshold discriminator do you still see the numbers? Majority of VDI machines the discriminator only turns off the audio but don't actually filter out the targets.

I believe you do.  I had a F5 for a hot minute.  I liked the setup, the analog user input into a digital machine.  it was a solid machine, but in my dirt it wasn't a depth demon.  Like JCR said, the Mike Hillis posts on the F5 will speed up the learning process on the F5, he was pretty fond of it.

On 4/10/2022 at 6:34 PM, F350Platinum said:

Sometimes that site makes me want to join, but fixed income dictates restraint. 😀

It's not worth the $.  They scrape ebay auction results, and the information is only as accurate as the seller (GIGO issue), but you can get some ideas, especially on sold values if you can find the same things.

Congrats on the gold coin, welcome to the club 😁

Nice hunt, congrats on the seated!  Shame that ground is so hard on the coins.

Inline pinpointer as discussed on another Legend thread here.

A closed loop elliptical DD coil.

Ground mineralization meter

One thing that Minelad did was make an updater that was also supposed to be able to be used to create your custom programs as well.  A bug free, more USB friendly updater/program customization application would be terrific!

Great hunt, a little bit of everything!  The lock is cool, very early combo lock.  Might be able to find the patent.

3 hours ago, Jethro said:

1st day out to the beach with the legend. 

Setup:

• Beach
• Multi - wet
• Ground Tracking ground balance
• Stability 1 up to 5 - I tried a few 
• Sensitivity - 20 to 25
• Noise Cancel 
• Recovery speed - varied - I tried a few
• 1-10 notched out 

The main issue I'm having is that I get misc non-repeatable chirps that show an ID on the screen. Actual targets are more of a good tone. The VDI for the chirps ranges from the 20s to the 40s.

I need a lot more work with the unit.  I think eventually I'll realize those chirps are just chatter.  I don't want to turn the sensitivity down too much and miss targets. 

Anyone else getting misc. chirps in the "good" target range?

 

What was your audio setup?  Tone breaks?

Nice job, that's a great find and likely paid for a few Legends right out of the gate 👍

9 hours ago, strick said:

Well Brian I'm sure you would take right to it...you have a keen ear I've hunted with you before...you would have no trouble plucking out nuggets from mother earth... If you liked it then you would want to buy a good PI to complement the Nox. When people ask me about metal detecting I always tell them that gold (nuggets) is the hardest thing to find due to the small size of most of them...it's a different deal then looking for coins jewelry and relics. It can be very frustrating due to the gold to trash ratio. And then theres the the real problem at least for me  is that I'm just a detectorist... I'm not a prospector. It's a long road to understand the geology of an area and  types of rocks where you may find or not find gold...plus being able to understand your surroundings what the old timers were doing in a particular area. For me it's all very confusing at times and thats when I want to go back to coin and relic hunting lol 

strick 

It's definitely an entirely different ballgame for sure.   I've heard folks say that detecting for natural gold is the most difficult sector of metal detecting, and it's common to get skunked.  Still, odds stacked against me, it would still be worth the experience to give it a try one of these days.   Not sure I need a PI though haha  Maybe when they finally make a discriminating PI I'll get one and I can use it for gold and relics 🙂

Pictures like that make me want to switch from relic hunting to prospecting! 

Never had tried gold detecting, one of these days I'll like to give it a try with the EQX800. 

Nice work! 

I used to average one SLQ a year, but the past few years I haven't bagged a single one.

Love the one piece buttons!! 

That little cannon is likely a functional toy cannon.  The wheels were probably metal and may still be there some place, but the cannon carriage was likely made from wood. 

That's a great find!

All the relic hunters in California are looking for those and you find one in Australia, nice job!

3 hours ago, dave_e said:

Yes.

Essentially the pin pointer becomes a tiny coil and uses the detector settings. 

Exactly, except in this case it would be wireless.  The original SunRay probes were attached to the coil wire on the detector via a breakout box with a toggle switch that could switch between the detector coil and the inline probe.

7 hours ago, Nokta Detectors said:

Can you expand on the inline part? You mean you attach the pinpointer to the device? 

 

Hi Dilek,

SunRay made a pinpointer probe that went inline with the coil.  The detectors coil wires attached to a breakout box, and the operator would flip a switch on the box that would toggle between the detectors coil and the pinpointer probe, which is effectively a small coil.   This inline probe would operate just like a detector coil, any settings on the detector would also apply to the pinpointer probe. For example, the audio from the detector, so if you're running the probe in the hole to locate the target, the pinpointer would give iron tones on nails and other iron in the hole, but say there's a silver coin in the hole, the detector would sound off on it producing a high tone as appropriate and the corresponding target ID on the display screen.  This makes it a lot easier to locate and retrieve the desired target versus iron and other potential junk in the hole.  SunRay probes were immensely popular, and still command a high price in the used market for the Minelab Explorer, Etrac, etc. detectors.

A probe that had this capability would be a HUGE hit, and it would be a great competitive differentiator as no other vendor is currently building a wireless inline probe. 

Happy to discuss it via phone if you want more insight. 

5 hours ago, Jason-NEK said:

Now that would be simply amazing!

It's totally doable, and IMHO it would be a HUGE hit (not to mention an awesome competitive differentiator) 👍

Nice digs!! 

I like the early U.S. Great Seal coat button, been after one of those for a while but no dice yet.

Sounded like a LOT of EMI, I assume your out in the sticks? 

17 minutes ago, Chase Goldman said:

That was my only SunRay experience, so…

I think that’s how Quest and Minelab approached it with their ferrous tone pinpointers.

Nothing magic, agreed, but throwing in “wireless” in the context of a small inline coil ratchets up the “magic” (i.e., complexity) a bit. I was just pointing out the various options from the complex but capable wireless SunRay “home run” to the useful Quest “RBI Double” to the good Bluetooth Pulse Dive variant “Bunt squeeze play”.  They’re all a mixed bag when it comes to balancing cost, complexity, performance, and usability.  

All good points Chase.

The great thing about the folks at Nokta Makro is that they listen to their customers, if we can think outside the box to help them innovate, they may just build it 👍

What I wouldn't give for a wireless inline probe that functions like a SunRay probe on the Legend [or EQX] 😁

10 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Don't get your hopes up too high on this.  There are more than a few challenges with this. 

First, when you say SunRay probe you will get a variety of opinions as to whether the SunRay was actually a successfully implemented concept.  Folks complained about the In line switch and cable because the probe simply looked like another (albeit low capability) wired induction balance dual coil to the detector.  For target ID it required probe motion in the presence of the target to work properly and it had limited detection range and ability to control sensitvity at the probe itself which made it hard to zero in on the target.  They were also relatively expensive compared to self-contained pinpointers. As a result, SunRay inline probes garnered a love-hate following amongst detectorists and they never really set the detecting world on fire.

So, to make a wireless pinpointer work like a Sunray probe with target ID, the probe itself has to be dual coil, induction balance with motion ID and recognized as such by the Legend.  Essentially being a wireless coil like on the Deus.

XP makes their wireless coils work with a proprietary, low latency wireless system that is NOT Bluetooth.  I have only seen one other company attempt wireless coils (using Bluetooth) and that's the largely technically unsuccessful, crowd-sourced Air Metal Detector.

XP has a wireless probe that integrates with the Deus/Deus 2 but it is purely a proximity probe without ferrous/non-ferrous TID because it uses pulse induction.  Do you know what other probe uses pulse induction?  That's right, NM's wireless Pulse Dive.  So if NM is merely developing a BT variant of the Pulse Dive, it will just be a proximity probe with no ID. 

If, however, NM goes with a wireless PP that emulates the crude ferrous/non-ferrous tone ID functionality of say Quest's XPointer Max (or the similar but inferior Minelab Pro 35) you might get crude tone ID through the phones.  XPointer Max has its own drawbacks though including a tendency to overload and limited proximity probe disc and detection distance.

In other words, the state of the technology today is you either get a great wireless proximity pinpointer or crude ferrous/non-ferrous tone ID probe with poor to mediocre pinpointing ability 

It will be interesting to see where NM takes this but if it is anything other than a crude ferrous/non-ferrous tone ID implementation or the more likely BT variant of the Pulse Dive, I would be surprised.  

But NM is always surprising us with the great technical innovation with its detecting equipment.  So I never say never...

Not trying to rain on the hopes for SunRay like capabilities, just keeping it real.

Maybe Dilek can chime in here at the appropriate time to give us a better idea where NM is headed in this regard with their integrated Legend BT  pinpointer development and planned features.

I've had SunRay probes before when I had my Etrac and later F75 (was a bit of a failure on the F75 IMHO).  Where the SunRay probes shine is on the machines with good audio intel like the Minelab FBS machines. 

Yes the SunRay probes required motion in the presence of the target to work, but I don't think most folks were as concerned about looking at a TID# as much as they were focused on the tones.   You could make it a static non-motion AM metal probe (like a standard hand held pinpointer), but that was dependent on the metal detector and switching to an static AM mode (which was super useful in some scenarios like trying to dig a target out of heavy roots where movement of the probe may be limited). 

The SunRay probes were in effect a small inline coil, nothing magic about them, but they were great on the right machine.

3 hours ago, Chase Goldman said:

Probably more like a variant to the existing wireless Pulse Dive that links to the NM proprietary wireless  “Green” phones (I used that with Simplex) but with a Bluetooth APTX-LL link so it can be used with the Legend or Legend BT phones.  

So essentially you just get the pinpointer beeping through the headphones, but it's in AM mode not utilizing the detector then right?    If it was inline like a Sunray probe that would be a home run. 

A pinpointer that links to the Legend is in the works 👍

I assume this means a wireless inline probe that links to the Legend, basically working like a Sunray wired probe?

On 3/9/2022 at 3:01 PM, longbow62 said:

Minelab Equinox 800. A buddy got one before I did and he let me use it. I instantly jelled with it. I knew it was a keeper when I dug an SLQ under a pecan tree that at least 5 different detectors had beat to death over and over. I then took it to a park a buddy with an Etrac thought he had cleaned out. The previous detector I had which will remain nameless had never found a silver in that park. First time in with the Equinox I got two very deep Mercs, and was digging very deep Wheats right and left. My buddy about had a cow. 15 silvers later I think the Equinox has found all it can. I just can't find another halfway diggable signal. Believe me I've tried.

That echo's my EQX800 experience as well.  I also had great luck with the Nokta Makro machines, taking them to sites I'd thought I'd beat to death with my F75, only to discover that although the F75 wasn't making new finds at my hard hunted sites, that it had barely scratched the surface at many of them.   The NM and EQX800 did indeed bring many old "worked out" sites back to life to varying degrees.  My very first deep silver seeker was a Fisher CZ-70 Pro, supposed to be Fisher's "digital" answer to the [then] new Explorer series.